Calvinism is antithetical to Christology
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GeneZ
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Not quite.. my teacher had pastor teachers studying from his lessons as source material for their personal study.
He was recommended to me one night at church service by a professor of ancient languages at a Bible college.
That professor was retired at that time. He had been associated with Harvard. I was once told he worked with
military intelligence during WWll.
R.B. Thieme Jr would study eight hours a day and then teach his church six nights a week. Not the run of the mill
pastor teacher.
He taught from the Hebrew and Greek texts, and exegeted in detail when he felt the need to. He also taught history
on a PH.D level. And, it was always interesting! If he had been teaching at any of the colleges I attended, I would have
taken his history classes faithfully....
God knows what He is doing.
No advertising. Word of mouth only.
grace and peace ....................
Dizerner
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I couldn't find any commentary on the site...?
GeneZ
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You can stream some messages here to get an idea:
https://rbthieme.org/stream/specials/index.html?special=armor_of_god&ref=armor_of_god
grace and peace .....................................
Dizerner
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Ok, more homiletical type stuff.
I'm not against that.
But let me know if he has any commentary.
GeneZ
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What do you mean by "commentary?"
Like writing about books of the Bible?
He did it live in class....
Try this for a list of books he taught exegetically.
https://www.rbthieme.org/PDF/LessonListingForWeb2014.pdf
Dizerner
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GeneZ
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I believe its over 11,000 hours of teaching they have recorded. Near impossible to stream all that.
You can navigate this web page and see how you can order classes (no money asked) either an MP3 CD, or on thumb drive.
https://www.rbthieme.org/index.html
The ministry also offers many publications for order.
You can call the Church and speak about making an order, or look for the online ordering form.
R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries is a grace ministry and operates entirely on voluntary contributions.
There is no price list for any of our material. No money is requested. When gratitude for the Word of
God motivates a believer to give, he has the privilege of contributing to the dissemination of Bible doctrine.
grace and peace .............
synergy
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Which youtube video would you most recommend of Mr. Utley? Does he have a good grasp of Koine Greek? Is he into Hebrew as you are?
LXX is what I use. That's what I mean by the Greek OT.
What reference book are you making use of here? Who authored that Greek to what seems to be a Hebrew translation? My Hebrew is nonexistant so when it comes to the NT I never refer to a Hebrew translation. I guess there's some merit to that.
synergy
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Interesting. What insightful teachings does he offer? Does he teach election, predestination, or Christology? Does he teach from a Koine Greek NT or a Hebrew OT point of view?
Johann
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www-freebiblecommentary.org-and yes-he has a thorough grasp in Hebrew and Greek.
Peruse the site-thousands of material available and mp3 and Youtube format-
This is a Bible I use from a Messianic viewpoint-Orthodox Jewish Bible-might not be your cup of tea.
"The Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB), completed by Phillip Goble in 2002, is an English language version that applies Yiddish and Hasidic cultural expressions to the Messianic Bible.-a helpful source for me though.
After perusing the site-let me know what you think.
May God help us all to rightly cutting straight the D'var of YHVH.
Shalom to you and family.
Johann.
civic
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Thanks brother for sharing your thoughts on the topic.
civic
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Are you reading from anyone in particular with Greek Theology from the early church ?
synergy
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I had a quick look at some writings in that website and unfortunately I have to disagree with their understanding of James 2. The following was written:
When one compares these lexical usages it becomes clear how Paul could use this term in one way (specialized forensic sense of "made righteous") and James in another (shown to be righteous by one's godly living). The term is fluid enough to allow both. But please remember it is a "both/and" situation, not an "either/or." Also be careful of a set theological definition of this term (or any term) which is then read into every usage of the word in Scripture. Words only have meaning in specific contexts!
Source: "https://www.freebiblecommentary.org/new_testament_studies/VOL11/VOL11_02.html".
Actually, both Paul and James do use the term justification in the same sense. We are justified by God through faith and through God-ordained good works together. Paul even goes further and associates good works with everlasting life (Rom 2:7).
Furthermore, James 2:24 destroys any semblance of Sola Fide. What Sola Fideists try to do is to water down James 2:24 so that it has no significant bearing on their soteriology.
Johann
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So you are going to throw out the baby with the bathtub?
I understand where Utley is coming from-and remember, this is not a commentary.
This is a study guide commentary, which means that you are responsible for your own interpretation of the Bible. Each of us must walk in the light we have. You, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit are priority in interpretation. You must not relinquish this to a commentator.
He is saying the term is fluid enough to allow both-what is wrong with that?
In fact-he is affirming what you believe-read it again.
Thanks
Johann.
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GeneZ
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He taught us the principle of Isagogics. That words and setting must be interpreted from a mind set lived at the time of writing.
That is when he would teach excellent history lessons that I still find fascinating for over 40 years. Its a gift from God.
He can teach seminary professors.
This is not your ordinary learning experience.
He was recommended to me by a retired Harvard professor who was teaching ancient languages at a Bible college.
He told me it was from RBT that he learned the foundation for a series he gave which transformed my life.
He not only teaches from a Koine Greek and Hebrew point of view, he will at times give the etymology and the history of a word's
development when so needed.
synergy
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Church fathers are tough to read. The battles they were fighting are oftentimes different than the battles we face now. There are some exceptions like Arianism and the arianism of the JW's but that's not a topic that is interesting me right now. I'm more interested in contemporary issues that are more pervasive.
Where I do find church fathers useful is when I need more explanations concerning Greek Bible NT terms such as energy/energize/energies, for example. At that point I do consult the Church fathers for that. I found Saint Gregory Palamas to be a champion of that term.
Of course there were disagreements between church fathers. For now, I only have about a dozen church fathers that I trust.
synergy
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He claims that Paul uses the term justification in one way and James in another way. I totally disagree. I say they both use it in the exact same way. Only one of those 2 statements can be true. I'm sorry but the only way one person can agree to both is if he has 2 minds/personalities.
GeneZ
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Sure he teaches election. He covers predestination. His teaching on Christology is rich and worthy of study material, as witnessed to all the pastors who ordered Thieme's lessons to study from.
He taught us a theological term that he stuck to masterfully. "Isagogics." Which is the discipline of researching and study for presenting the meaning of words and perspective at the time of writing. He considered it a must if you are going to teach the Bible correctly. To do so he studied ancient manuscripts in the original languages.
Well... he became way too busy to finish his doctorate when his ministry boomed in demand, with him teaching six nights a week, and on some days teaching twice. While his unfinished thesis for his doctorate was sitting in limbo, one of his students by the name of Hal Lindsay was given access to looking over the thesis....
The result of Hal's study? "The Late Great Planet Earth," was publish.
Thieme used to jokingly call him Harold, and made mention that Hal took some liberties with what he wrote.
Other than that. That book ended up on the dresser of Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin, found when he died.
Another point; Thieme was superb in analyzing military passages in the Bible that almost all pastors are not qualified to explain....
I can also tell you what a Marine recruiter told me after listening to Thieme's teaching on the Doctrine of War.
"I never heard anything like this before!" Not to mention, I found out he had all the branches in his building come
to his office to have them listen to the lessons! This not your normal level teachings. It requires discipline and concentration.
Don't be shy. Order some messages and decide for yourself.
I would not be able to do justice to his in depth in teaching on the subjects you asked about.
You have nothing to lose. No money will be asked for...
They do not ask for money and they will guard you privacy which is a foundation of their policy making.
In Christ..... grace and peace
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