Calvin on unlimited atonement

[brightfame52]

Do you know what a condition is?

A state of affairs that must exist or be brought about before something else is possible or permitted:

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Belief clearly comes before righteousness or salvation is granted

Belief is a evidence of righteousness!

 

[TomL]

Belief is a evidence of righteousness!

Do you know what a condition is?

A state of affairs that must exist or be brought about before something else is possible or permitted:

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Belief clearly comes before righteousness or salvation is granted.

Belief, therefore, is a condition without which neither righteousness nor salvation is obtained.

 

[brightfame52]

Do you know what a condition is?



Belief, therefore, is a condition without which neither righteousness nor salvation is obtained.

Belief is an evidence of righteousness not a condition!

 

[TomL]

Belief is an evidence of righteousness not a condition!

Again do you know what a condition is?

A state of affairs that must exist or be brought about before something else is possible or permitted:

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Belief clearly comes before righteousness or salvation is granted.

Philippians 3:9 (LEB) — 9 and may be found in him, not having my righteousness which is from the law, but which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God on the basis of faith,

 

[brightfame52]

Again do you know what a condition is?



Philippians 3:9 (LEB) — 9 and may be found in him, not having my righteousness which is from the law, but which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God on the basis of faith,

Faith is a evidence of righteousness read Hebrews 11:1

 

[Jim]

Again, show you scripture that contradicted exactly what you stated, and you flip it off. Then you have the audacity to always ask me to show scripture. Please !

You can't and won't answer the question because it would demonstrate your false interpretation of the verse.

 

[TomL]

Faith is a evidence of righteousness read Hebrews 11:1

Will you ever address even a single post?

Again do you know what a condition is?

A state of affairs that must exist or be brought about before something else is possible or permitted:

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

What is it that results in righteousness?

What is it that results in salvation?

Belief clearly comes before righteousness or salvation is granted.
Philippians 3:9 (LEB) — 9 and may be found in him, not having my righteousness which is from the law, but which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God on the basis of faith,

 

[brightfame52]

You can't and won't answer the question because it would demonstrate your false interpretation of the verse.

You dont except scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

What is it that results in righteousness?

What is it that results in salvation?

Righteousness is imputed as a result of Christs obedience Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

And Faith, Believing, Confessing are evidences one is righteous and or Justified.

 

[Jim]

You dont except scripture.

You don't accept scripture, you except it.

 

[brightfame52]

You don't accept scripture, you except it.

You dont accept scripture is correct.

 

[Jim]

You dont accept scripture is correct.

You need to learn to read.

 

[brightfame52]

You need to learn to read.

Insults now

 

[Jim]

Insults now

Not an insult, just an observation. You get so much wrong, it must be a weak reading and comprehension ability.

 

[brightfame52]

Not an insult, just an observation. You get so much wrong, it must be a weak reading and comprehension ability.

Here is my observation:

So does this sound laughable Jim ? Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

 

[Jim]

Here is my observation:

If you think that Philippians 1:29 says that faith is a gift that comes from God, then you must also conclude that it says that suffering is a gift that comes from God also. You are adamant that faith is a gift from God so then you must think that suffering also is a gift from God. I think it is really terrible to think about God. But you are certainly free to think what you will.

On the other hand I believe what that verse is saying is that along with the privilege of having the opportunity to believe in God, in Jesus Christ, it is also a privilege to suffer in the cause of the Gospel and the love that God has for us.

 

[brightfame52]

If you think that Philippians 1:29 says that faith is a gift that comes from God, then you must also conclude that it says that suffering is a gift that comes from God also. You are adamant that faith is a gift from God so then you must think that suffering also is a gift from God. I think it is really terrible to think about God. But you are certainly free to think what you will.

On the other hand I believe what that verse is saying is that along with the privilege of having the opportunity to believe in God, in Jesus Christ, it is also a privilege to suffer in the cause of the Gospel and the love that God has for us.

So Phil 1:29 doesnt say that to believe on His Name was given to you ? Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

 

[Jim]

So Phil 1:29 doesnt say that to believe on His Name was given to you ? Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

The point Paul is making in the verse deals primarily with the suffering. The giving there is in the sense of granting as a favor, rather than giving as a gift. Just as it is given to you to post on this forum.

 

[brightfame52]

The point Paul is making in the verse deals primarily with the suffering. The giving there is in the sense of granting as a favor, rather than giving as a gift. Just as it is given to you to post on this forum.

This will always be proof to me that you dont believe scripture when its shown to you.

JFB on Phil 1:29

29. For—rather, a proof that this is an evident token from God of your salvation, "Because," &c.
it is given—Greek, "it has been granted as a favor," or "gift of grace." Faith is the gift of God (Eph 2:8), not wrought in the soul by the will of man, but by the Holy Ghost (Joh 1:12, 13).

believe on him—"To believe Him," would merely mean to believe He speaks the truth. "To believe on Him," is to believe in, and trust through, Him to obtain eternal salvation. Suffering for Christ is not only not a mark of God's anger, but a gift of His grace.https://biblehub.com/commentaries/philippians/1-29.htm

 

[Jim]

This will always be proof to me that you dont believe scripture when its shown to you.

JFB on Phil 1:29

From Albert Barnes, one of your own:

Philippians 1:29

For unto you - Unto you as Christians. This favor is granted unto you in your present circumstances.
It is given - God concedes to you this privilege or advantage.
In the behalf of Christ - In the cause of Christ, or with a view to honor Christ. Or, these things are brought on you in consequence of your being Christians.
Not only to believe on him - It is represented here as a privilege to be permitted to believe on Christ. It is so:
(1) It is an honor to a man to believe one who ought to be believed, to trust one who ought to be trusted, to love one who ought to be loved.
(2) It is a privilege to believe on Christ, because it is by such faith that out sins are forgiven; that we become reconciled to God, and have the hope of heaven.
(3) It is a privilege, because it saves the mind from the tortures and the deadly influence of unbelief - the agitation, and restlessness, and darkness, and gloom of a skeptic.
(4) It is a privilege, because we have then a friend to whom we may go in trial, and on whom we may roll all our burdens. If there is anything for which a Christian ought to give unfeigned thanks, it is that he has been permitted to believe on the Redeemer. Let a sincere Christian compare his peace, and joy, and hope of heaven, and support in trials, with the restlessness, uneasiness, and dread of death, in the mind of an unbeliever; and he will see abundant occasion for gratitude.

But also to suffer for his sake - Here it is represented as a privilege to suffer in the cause of the Redeemer - a declaration which may sound strange to the world. Yet this sentiment frequently occurs in the New Testament. Thus, it is said of the apostles Act_5:41, that “they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name;” Col_1:24. “Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you;” 1Pe_4:13. “But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings;” compare Jam_1:2; Mar_10:30; see the notes at Act_5:41. It is a privilege thus to suffer in the cause of Christ:
(1) Because we then resemble the Lord Jesus, and are united with him in trials;
(2) Because we have evidence that we are his, if trials come upon us in his cause;
(3) Because we are engaged in a good cause, and the privilege of maintaining such a cause is worth much of suffering; and,
(4) Because it will be connected with a brighter crown and more exalted honor in heaven.