Calling on the Name of The Lord

I just told you why, so they can embrace the Good News and be Thankful to God for it DUH
So if I'm not mistaken it seems you're putting forth there is no confession is made unto salvation....Rom 10.nothing is unto for you but rather it already has been imparted and God is coming back telling them, "Hey now let me tell you what's happened to you." Is that your version of what the Apostles went forth and risks their lives to tell the people?
 
So you've never read any Scripture, them??? What do you make of Romans 9??
Here's what my study Bible says about it.

9:1 Can God be just, even if so many of God’s Old Covenant nation, the Jews, are lost? After this long demonstration of the way God’s righteousness is preserved in the gospel, and yet sinners can still be saved, another question arises: How can we say that God is righteous or just if, according to the gospel, one must trust in Christ in order to be saved? This would mean that many Jews who have not trusted Christ are lost. But then how could God be true to His promises to the Jews as His people? Paul answers this question in chs. 9-11.
9:2 Paul expresses genuine sorrow over the unbelief of the Jews. See Ezek. 33:11; Matt. 23:37-39.
9:3 Paul does not actually wish that he was cut off from Christ so that other Jews would be saved, but his grief for them is so deep that it brings him virtually to that very point.
9:11 God’s choice of Jacob instead of Esau was not based on anything either had done or would do in the future. This is the mystery of divine election.
9:14 God is never unjust in dealing with people. As sovereign Creator, He has the right to deal with people according to His will, whether it is in the exercise of His compassion (vv. 14-16) or in the exercise of His wrath (vv. 17, 18).
9:19 Paul anticipates this common objection to his teaching in the previous verse. If God chooses to have mercy on “whom He wills” and to harden the heart of “whom He wills” (v. 18), and if His choice is ultimately only based on the “purpose of God” (v. 11), then how can it be fair for God to judge those who refuse to believe?
9:20 To question the morality of God’s actions is incongruous. Creatures have no right to object to what their Creator does. However, such teaching should never lead us to think that sinners could not believe if they wanted to, for Scripture does not teach that. It repeatedly affirms that “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved” (10:13). This appeal of Scripture to unbelievers is consistent throughout both the OT and NT (see Ezek. 33:11; John 6:37).
9:22 God exercises His sovereignty in abundant mercy, not in strict justice. His longsuffering patience with Israel proves His willingness to save and confirms the fact that the nation’s failure was not His fault.
9:24 God’s mercy is also evident in His dealings with the Gentiles. To support his teaching that not all who are called to become “vessels of mercy” (v. 23) belong to physical Israel, Paul quotes from Hos. 2:23 and 1:10. In their original setting the verses refer to the restoration of sinful Israel to God. Paul sees in them the inclusion of the Gentiles (see 1 Pet. 2:10), indicating that there is a spiritual Israel (the church) beyond a national Israel (see Gal. 6:16).
9:27 Paul quotes from Is. 10:22, 23 and 1:9 to confirm that God in His mercy has preserved a remnant of physical Israel. Had He not done so the entire apostate nation would have been wiped out.
9:32 The stumbling stone is Jesus Christ, the Messiah (see 1 Pet. 2:6-8), who offers salvation by faith, not works, and thus requires that human pride be humbled.
10:3 God’s righteousness, that is, right standing with Him, comes through faith in Christ alone.
10:4 Some interpret Christ to be the end of the law in the sense that He is the goal or fulfillment of the law. However, “law” here refers to the system of earning righteousness in one’s own strength. Christ indeed is the perfect fulfillment of everything the law requires, but He also put an end to the law as a way of achieving righteousness for everyone who believes. Thus, Paul emphasizes the sufficiency of faith in receiving the righteousness of God because in fulfilling the law’s demands, Christ terminated its claim. The verse does not mean that a Christian may ignore God’s moral standards or commandments (see note on 6:14).
10:6 Paul asserts that the righteousness of faith does not demand human merit or effort. Christ has already achieved all that is necessary for our salvation.

KINGDOM DYNAMICS
10:9 Continuing in Faith As We Have Begun, FAITH’S CONFESSION. Here is the most foundational lesson in the importance and power of faith’s confession found anywhere in the Bible. The principle is established at the very beginning of our life in Christ. Just as salvation (God’s righteous working in our behalf) is appropriated by heart belief and spoken confession, so His continuing working in our lives is advanced by the same means.
The word “confess” (Greek homologeo ) has the connotation of “a binding public declaration by which a legal relation is contractually established” (Kittel). Thus, as our words “contract” from our side the salvation God has fully provided from His by Christ’s saving work and power, so we have a principle for all of life. Beginning in this spirit of saving faith, let us grow in active faith—believing in God’s mighty power for all our needs, speaking with our lips what our hearts receive and believe of the many promises in His Word. Let us accept God’s “contracts” for all our need by endowing them with our confessed belief—just as when we were saved.

10:9 Oral confession declares, confirms, and seals the belief in the heart.
10:11 The gospel is universal in its application and demands a universal proclamation.


Jack W. Hayford, Spirit Filled Life Study Bible
 
I just told you why, so they can embrace the Good News and be Thankful to God for it DUH
If they're saved they've already embraced the good news and of course they're thankful they just went from death To life. Unless of course their calvinist and they always were alive. Because if they weren't alive they couldn't embrace the gospel. Have you ever been a used car salesman? Go see bright go see bright he will make you see the light him and his tulip.
 
So if I'm not mistaken it seems you're putting forth there is no confession is made unto salvation....Rom 10.nothing is unto for you but rather it already has been imparted and God is coming back telling them, "Hey now let me tell you what's happened to you." Is that your version of what the Apostles went forth and risks their lives to tell the people?
Correct he was saved before creation , before he was conceived in the womb. The elect were saved in eternity past in his systematic theology which of course completely lacks evidence from scripture.
 
Correct he was saved before creation , before he was conceived in the womb. The elect were saved in eternity past in his systematic theology which of course completely lacks evidence from scripture.
Well if that's his mindset then there is no such thing as a need to preach like Paul did when he said be ye reconciled to God. 2 Cor 5:20
 
So if I'm not mistaken it seems you're putting forth there is no confession is made unto salvation....Rom 10.nothing is unto for you but rather it already has been imparted and God is coming back telling them, "Hey now let me tell you what's happened to you." Is that your version of what the Apostles went forth and risks their lives to tell the people?
I just told you, keep reading it until you get the picture
 
If they're saved they've already embraced the good news and of course they're thankful they just went from death To life. Unless of course their calvinist and they always were alive. Because if they weren't alive they couldn't embrace the gospel. Have you ever been a used car salesman? Go see bright go see bright he will make you see the light him and his tulip.
This is a bunch of nonsense
 
I just told you why, so they can embrace the Good News and be Thankful to God for it DUH
That doesn't make any sense. If you're already saved that means that you've already embraced the good news. Believed it accepted it and become part of God's family. And since you're already saved of course you thankful to God because she made that possible by sending his son so that whoever believes in him will have return of life.
 
Hello @Richard,

When I read your OP, what came into my mind was the first time that we hear of men calling upon the name of the Lord, in Genesis.

'And to Seth, to him also there was born a son;
and he called his name Enos:
then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.'

(Gen 4:26)

In my Bible marginal notes against this verse, it says that this does not relate to worship: for Abel and others worshipped prior to this, but here, men began to call upon (their gods) by the name of Jehovah, or began profanely to call upon the name of the Lord , Enos, though the son of Seth, is included in the generations of Cain, because he went in 'the way of Cain.'

Though not in line with your thinking so far, I thought it worth taking this into account, to show that calling on the name of the Lord can have other connotations.

* The second usage in Scripture concerns Abram, and was coupled with the building of an altar with the view to worshipping God.


'And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said,
"Unto thy seed will I give this land:"
and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the east of Bethel,
and pitched his tent, having Bethel on the west, and Hai on the east:
and there he builded an altar unto the LORD,
and called upon the name of the LORD.'

(Gen 12:7)

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris



A Greek and English Lexicon to the New Testament: The first passage of the O.T. in which we meet with this phrase, in Gen. 4:26, where we read, Then began men to call on the name of THE LORD or JEHOVAH...which surely cannot mean that men first began to worship the true God, or to worship him publickly; (see the preceding part of the chapter.) But it seems highly probably that by this time the name Aleim was become equivocal, being supplied both by the believing line of Seth, and the idolatrous one of Cain, to their respective gods, and that therefore the believers, to distinguish themselves, invoked God by the name Jehovah (epikaleō, page 243, John Parkhurst)
 
That doesn't make any sense. If you're already saved that means that you've already embraced the good news. Believed it accepted it and become part of God's family. And since you're already saved of course you thankful to God because she made that possible by sending his son so that whoever believes in him will have return of life.
I cant help what does or doesnt make sense to you, Im not asking you for your view, but declaring what I see in scripture.
 
That's to say "one theologian's opinion" of what the bible says".

Then handle John 6:44, and explain why it's wrong.
He's not just your Everyday run of the mill theologian we're talking Jack Haverford here.

Okay I'll check on John 6:44 today. Thanks for pointing it out. One thing sounds peculiar since it's in the Bible how could it be wrong. Or are you just talking about the interpretation?
 
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