brightfame52
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New Life which is Spiritual
Calling on the Name of The Lord
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Richard
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Central to the gospel message is the good news of Jesus Christ. It's all about Jesus and what he has done for us. It about His life, death, resurrection, and the message of salvation and redemption offered to all humanity. This is not merely a religious concept but a transformative truth that is sent out to all mankind. In the name of Jesus we had the victory.
brightfame52
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What He has done for the Elect, His Sheep. His death was limited and His death was effectual in Saving the elect He died for.
Richard
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Wrong. Christ died for the sins of the world. The death of Jesus Christ is sufficient to atone for the sins of the whole world.
I've never bought into limited atonement. How could limit atonement be true when scripture teaches that Christ died for the whole world.
The concept of “limited atonement” does not appear in scripture.
Jesus stated in John 3:16–17 that He had come to save the world. Reading this in context one can clearly see that salvation is offered to all the world (or, by extension, all people). If you understand “limited atonement” to mean that Christ’s sacrifice is only applicable to those who believe, then you risk making God out to be a liar. Granted, not all will be saved, but the offer of salvation is made to all. Therefore, Christ’s death and the available atonement must be there for anyone who is willing to believe and accept His forgiveness. It’s quite a stretch to suggest otherwise, given how scripture reveals God’s character.
Bob Carabbio
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So synonymous with "Being Born Again" / "Being SAVED" / "Becoming a Christian", then.
Bob Carabbio
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So you've never read any Scripture, them??? What do you make of Romans 9??
brightfame52
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No right !
brightfame52
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One is saved, regenerated, then converted by the Gospel
Richard
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Limited Atonement is a concept in Calvinism that Christ only died for certain people, who Calvinists call the "elect".
However, this idea is not in the Bible. The doctrine of limited atonement says that the atonement of Christ was limited to the elect.
The Importance of Christ’s atonement urges us to consider it of great significance and to think carefully about it, in conformity with the Scriptures.
In Romans 9, Paul describes Jacob and Esau as being judged as loved and hated (or "loved less") before they did any good or evil. Paul then goes on to liken all of us as clay molded by a potter, and states that it is not the will of he who runs but of He who shows mercy which saves us. Paul relates God telling Pharaoh: "for this purpose I have raised you up ..." and then discusses an idea that the vessels God made for "common use" are there only for the purpose of showing His patience to his more special pots.
Many Reformed think Romans 9 shows double-predestination and unconditional election, and I am forced to disagree with them. The reason I hold to unlimited atonement is because there are certain passages of Scripture that seem to me to teach the Jesus died for every single person, such as 1 John 2:2.
The bottom line is by ‘limited atonement’ teachers that a limited number of people had their sin imputed to Christ. In other words, only a limited number of people had their sins forgiven.
All former sacrifices for sin would have have been ineffective had they not foreshadowed and anticipated the death of Christ. It was necessary that Christ "put away sin by sacrifice of himself" Hebrews 9:26
"He himself is the atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world’s" 1John 2:2
Richard
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That's quite profound, with an exclamation point no less. I'm almost convinced. The use of the bold text Is also very great and intense.
Bob Carabbio
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True, but it goes WAY BEYOND THAT.
Any Human who DOES NOT become Born again by FAITH in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the Cross, is hellbound, and an example of "Limited atonement".
So you've never read the Bible, then, obviously.
Bob Carabbio
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Meaningless.
Richard
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Or I don't interpret it the way you do Bob. You're making an assumption. Not accepting Christ as your lord and savior does not limit the atonement.
brightfame52
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It is what it isThat's quite profound, with an exclamation point no less. I'm almost convinced. The use of the bold text Is also very great and intense.
brightfame52
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Of course it is to you. The Gospel as a word of Salvation is sent to the saved, so they can embrace the Good News of their Salvation
Bob Carabbio
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However it makes the Atonement of NO EFFECT to you, which is all that counts in the practical sense.
Richard
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And in what way would The atonement be of no effect to me? Could you clarify that for me? Oh okay I see what you're saying Bob.
Richard
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Or in this case it ain't what it ain't... Back at ya
Richard
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Why would the saved need the gospel sent to them? If you're saved you've already accepted the gospel.
brightfame52
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I just told you why, so they can embrace the Good News and be Thankful to God for it DUH
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