Are we Predestined?

[brightfame52]

Christ is the true Chosen One and the true Elect. But the body of Christ is, as it implies, a corporate body, made up of many members.
When we are saved or born again by faith in Jesus, we are put into one body, the body of Christ. That is what it means to be "in Christ". All those in Christ automatically become part of the body of the Chosen One, Christ, and therefore they too are considered "chosen" and "elect". What did they do to become part of the "chosen"? They believed in Jesus.
If God only chose some for salvation and others for destruction, without them having any input whatsoever, then God does not love the whole world - He only loves PART of the world. The other part - He hates.
If that is true, and the Calvinists say that it is, then the Bible is filled with lies, like John 3:16.

You have your opinion

 

[TedT]

That has been my statement and I stick by it.

...but you ignore my questions about the implications of this statement. ?

Since everyone is equally evil in this life and no one can come to HIM without grace:
Ephesians 2:8-9, which says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."
so what HE is seeing by HIS foreknowledge is the results of HIS own work, not any decision of theirs.

How is their condemnation then just? Why did HE not give grace to all if HE loved them so much and

why did HE create those HE foreknew would end in hell when HE tells us in various scriptures that HE does everything for HIS pleasure but takes no pleasure in the death of anyone and wants everyone to repent...?

 

[TedT]

That has been my statement and I stick by it.

I so feel like I should tell you if you dont understand why as me why He did not "give" grace to all.

I came out of the Predestined cult. My church still is... Why do I still go there? Because there is no single church without it's flaws
and I can get preached to and prayed for and take Holy Communion and all the other stuff without embracing the Calvin teachings that my church follows with the Westminster Confession of Faith.

I came out of it once I learned that Calvin and the WCF (which followed Calvin both say III. By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels[6] are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death.[7]

So there was never a chance for God to give grace to all. But he will give grace to those who chose him, and that comes by the
faith we get, and that faith is not "given" to us but come ... as told in Romans 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The scripture that is at the core of all predestined believers "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." is equally applicable to predestined as welll as to free will believers.

Sorry, your effort does NOT free you from predestination - it just causes more serious implications.

 

[TedT]

Would y'all that believe we are chosen before the fall tell me the reason for HIS choice of some not others?

Is this some forbidden topic or something that no one gives a reason except HE felt like it against those verses that say HE wants no one to die and all to be saved???

 

[atpollard]

Would y'all that believe we are chosen before the fall tell me the reason for HIS choice of some not others?

None deserve salvation. Justice is all men damned for their sins. The real question is this: “Why did God choose any, when NONE deserved it?”

Is this some forbidden topic or something that no one gives a reason except HE felt like it against those verses that say HE wants no one to die and all to be saved???

There are actually not that many verses … but those that exist tend towards God not wanting any of His beloved (those God chose to love for reasons unknown to men) to perish.