Are we Predestined?

[atpollard]

What more than giving us the bible, God's word of the truth, do you think He must do?

I dunno, maybe what He said He would. Something like this:

• And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. - Ezekiel 11:19-20 [ESV]
• One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. - Acts 16:14 [ESV]

 

[Presby02]

The function of the act of communion and its elements are specific to the plan, not the choice to partake of it.

Doug

You have no choice in taking communion??

 

[Presby02]

God uses our choices as he sees fit. He uses what he foresees for his purposes.
A man can shoot a gun, but God can then control the flight of the bullet as he sees fit.

Doug

So God id dependent on His foreknowledge for what He determibes to occur. Yet you scream foreknowledge is not determination?

 

[Presby02]

According to determinists, God is the cause of everything, thus even the sin that we do is according to God's own sovereign direction. And in pardoning only some, that is unjust.

Is God the uultimate cause of the universe you call home? No God there is no Jim on the Berean Apologetics Forum.

 

[Jim]

Is God the uultimate cause of the universe you call home? No God there is no Jim on the Berean Apologetics Forum.

If you think that establishes determinism, then you clearly do not understand God's creation, what God has created.

 

[FreeInChrist]

I dunno, maybe what He said He would. Something like this:

• And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. - Ezekiel 11:19-20 [ESV]
• One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. - Acts 16:14 [ESV]

Have you not had this happen to you yet?

 

[atpollard]

Have you not had this happen to you yet?

Why would you ask that?

I was asked what more God would do for the unsaved than offer them a Bible!
Here, again is my response:

I dunno, maybe what He said He would. Something like this:

• And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. - Ezekiel 11:19-20 [ESV]
• One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. - Acts 16:14 [ESV]

 

[FreeInChrist]

Why would you ask that?

I was asked what more God would do for the unsaved than offer them a Bible!
Here, again is my response:

Because you answer Jims question about what more then give us a bible.... with this and you have it worded in such a way
that seemed like it was almost a guess.

I am sorry if I offended you in some way

 

[TibiasDad]

You have no choice in taking communion??

Is this a question or a statement? Does one have to take communion to be saved? If I don’t take communion am I lost?

Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

So God id dependent on His foreknowledge for what He determibes to occur. Yet you scream foreknowledge is not determination?

God doesn’t determine meticulously. He simply knows what we will choose to do of our own volition.

Doug

 

[TedT]

@atpollard or maybe FreeInChrist
said:
He foreknew your willing faith, and because He saw it, He predestined you to become exactly like His Son.

But all are equally evil in this life and no one can come to HIM without grace:
Ephesians 2:8-9, which says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."
so what HE is seeing by HIS foreknowledge is the results of HIS own work, not any decision of theirs.

Why did HE not give grace to all if HE loved them so much and

why did HE create those HE foreknew would end in hell when HE tells us in various scriptures that HE does everything for HIS pleasure but takes no pleasure in the death of anyone and wants everyone to repent...?

 

[atpollard]

He foreknew your willing faith, and because He saw it,

... no bible verse says this.
Scripture comes closer to saying "just because" as the reason God does things [as if it is not for us to know WHY].