Are we Predestined?

[Presby02]

Absolutely not. God's plan is not determined by our choices. God's plan contains conditions which must be met in order for any given individual to receive the benefits of His plan.

Coreect. Your choices are determined by Gods plan.

 

[Presby02]

1) My choice between a ham sandwich or macaroni and cheese for lunch is not a moral choice, but you have God predetermining that decision and every other choice. Morality is not what’s on my lunch menu.

2) I cannot have done otherwise; If God ties my arm behind my back, I can’t clap my hands! God’s determination ties an otherwise choice behind our back making it impossible and unavailable to do.


Doug

What if what meal you choose is part of Gods plan?

So Judas had no choice. His hands were tied right? After all his vhoice was planned and determined. Brought about by the hand of God. Was Judas responsible for His choice?

 

[Presby02]

for me God "foreknew" my choices, not determined them.

He did know your choices. How you ask? Because He determined them.

 

[FreeInChrist]

What if what meal you choose is part of Gods plan?

So Judas had no choice. His hands were tied right? After all his vhoice was planned and determined. Brought about by the hand of God. Was Judas responsible for His choice?

I firmly believe there have been through history starting with Adam, and Noah, and Abraham, and Daniel, and Job, and Isaiah, and Nicodemus, and the 12 disciples, and not least Mary, and Joseph, and Paul, and the Jailor, and Cornelius, and Crispus, and Stephanus, and also Lydia, and the woman who touched Jesus hem for healing, and Jude of the 12, and most importantly Jesus
and many others that have not sprung to mind at the moment....... that these people were without question , absolutely predestined for the very reason that they were needed for God's over all plan that he designed and He dare not leave it to chance for he needed things done as he planned them..... OH... Jeremiah too... and Enoch, and on and on..... David....the thief...
possibly the second most important after Jesus was Joseph of Arimathea

These all had a specific purpose or job.

Now Presby02, tell me. Do you believe you have been given a specific job to do for God? If so, my hat is off to you. If not, then I do not believe common man is predestined the way that you do.

 

[TibiasDad]

True,

Then there should be nothing else to say…

but I am a Baptist so I cannot escape that "already and not yet" aspect of things related to God.

This is a logical precept, not a scriptural one. You are assuming ‘truths’ not in evidence.

Doug

 

[Jim]

Coreect. Your choices are determined by Gods plan.

So then my uncle who chose not to believe in God was determined by God's plan? Shame on God.

 

[Jim]

He did know your choices. How you ask? Because He determined them.

Clearly you do not understand God's omniscience.

 

[TibiasDad]

What if what meal you choose is part of Gods plan?

So Judas had no choice. His hands were tied right? After all his vhoice was planned and determined. Brought about by the hand of God. Was Judas responsible for His choice?

Not if God preordained it. But if God simply foresees it, the choice is made freely. Judas is responsible for, because he didn’t have to do it, but chose to. God simply knew what he would choose.


Doug

 

[atpollard]

You are assuming ‘truths’ not in evidence.

That is true, I am only assuming that Jesus died for your sins, too.
(But hope springs eternal).

 

[TibiasDad]

That is true, I am only assuming that Jesus died for your sins, too.
(But hope springs eternal).

But not everyone’s sins, and therein lies your error.

Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

What if what meal you choose is part of Gods plan?

Because…”…the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit…” (Rom 14:17)

Doug

 

[atpollard]

But not everyone’s sins, and therein lies your error.

Doug

Definitely not “all without exception”, just all of the “these whom he called, he also justified” (Romans 8:30).

 

[TibiasDad]

Definitely not “all without exception”, just all of the “these whom he called, he also justified” (Romans 8:30).

1 John 2:2He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, [current believers] and not only for ours [current believers ]but also for the sins of the whole world.[Those throughout the world who are not currently believers.]

Doug

 

[Jim]

He did know your choices. How you ask? Because He determined them.

If that is true, then how can God condemn anyone who has chosen not to believe in Him if that is what God determined that he choose?