Are vessels of wrath able to become vessels of mercy?

[brightfame52]

Again

Sorry, that makes no sense, as God desires that all do not perish, that all should repent, all become saved to determine men from birth are condemned to punishment.

That would be opposite his desire.

God doesn't will for the vessels of wrath He fits for destruction to be saved, thats denies His Purpose for them, God is Immutable in purpose, He isnt a doubleminded God, yeah and nay

It woud be opposite His will/desire because He has willed their destruction Rom 9:22

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
willing here is the greek word thelō:

1. to will, have in mind, intend
   
   
   1. to be resolved or determined, to purpose
   2. to desire, to wish
   3. to love
      
      1. to like to do a thing, be fond of doing
   4. to take delight in, have pleasure

 

[TomL]

God doesn't will for the vessels of wrath He fits for destruction to be saved, thats denies His Purpose for them, God is Immutable in purpose, He isnt a doubleminded God, yeah and nay

It woud be opposite His will/desire because He has willed their destruction Rom 9:22

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
willing here is the greek word thelō:

1. to will, have in mind, intend
   
   
   1. to be resolved or determined, to purpose
   2. to desire, to wish
   3. to love
      1. to like to do a thing, be fond of doing
   4. to take delight in, have pleasure

As I noted

Sorry, that makes no sense, as God desires that all do not perish, that all should repent, all become saved to determine men from birth are condemned to punishment.

That would be opposite his desire.

His desire, however, is rejected by man, and so he becomes a vessel of wrath.

That is quite different than God creating him that way when he desires to save all.

 

[brightfame52]

As I noted

You think God wishy washy ?

 

[TomL]

You think God wishy washy ?

As I noted

Sorry, that makes no sense, as God desires that all do not perish, that all should repent, all become saved to determine men from birth are condemned to punishment.

That would be opposite his desire.

His desire, however, is rejected by man, and so he becomes a vessel of wrath.

That is quite different than God creating him that way when he desires to save all

 

[brightfame52]

As I noted

Sorry, that makes no sense, as God desires that all do not perish, that all should repent, all become saved to determine men from birth are condemned to punishment.

That would be opposite his desire.

His desire, however, is rejected by man, and so he becomes a vessel of wrath.

That is quite different than God creating him that way when he desires to save all

Why would God will to be saved them He willed to be damned, making them for that purpose ?

 

[TomL]

Why would God will to be saved them He willed to be damned, making them for that purpose ?

Scripture speaks of God's desire that all be saved

As I noted

Sorry, that makes no sense, as God desires that all do not perish, that all should repent, all become saved to determine men from birth are condemned to punishment.

That would be opposite his desire.

His desire, however, is rejected by man, and so he becomes a vessel of wrath.

That is quite different than God creating him that way when he desires to save all



1 Tim 2:3–4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Ezek 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Ezek 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

John 3:16–17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Matt 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
1 Tim 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture speaks of God's desire that all be saved

All the vessels of mercy, but not so for the vessels of wrath He made to fit them for destruction Rom 9 22

 

[TomL]

All the vessels of mercy, but not so for the vessels of wrath He made to fit them for destruction Rom 9 22

The scripture does not support your claim

Scripture speaks of God's desire that all be saved

As I noted

It makes no sense, as God desires that all do not perish, that all should repent, all become saved to determine men from birth to be condemned to punishment.

That would be opposite his desire.

His desire, however, is rejected by man, and so he becomes a vessel of wrath.

That is quite different than God creating him that way when he desires to save all



1 Tim 2:3–4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Ezek 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Ezek 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

John 3:16–17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Matt 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
1 Tim 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

 

[brightfame52]

The scripture does not support your claim

It sure does

 

[TomL]

It sure does

If there were any truth in your claim, you would be addressing the scripture posted.

The scripture does not support your claim

Scripture speaks of God's desire that all be saved

As I noted

It makes no sense, as God desires that all do not perish, that all should repent, all become saved to determine men from birth to be condemned to punishment.

That would be opposite his desire.

His desire, however, is rejected by man, and so he becomes a vessel of wrath.

That is quite different than God creating him that way when he desires to save all



1 Tim 2:3–4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Ezek 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Ezek 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

John 3:16–17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Matt 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
1 Tim 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

The fact you rarely address anything show your doctrine is false.

 

[TomL]

All the vessels of mercy, but not so for the vessels of wrath He made to fit them for destruction Rom 9 22

Sorry, one with a desire for salvation, one who does not want any to perish, does not determine such.

Scripture speaks of God's desire that all be saved

As I noted

It makes no sense, as God desires that all do not perish, that all should repent, all become saved to determine men from birth to be condemned to punishment.

That would be opposite his desire.

His desire, however, is rejected by man, and so he becomes a vessel of wrath.

That is quite different than God creating him that way when he desires to save all



1 Tim 2:3–4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Ezek 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Ezek 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

John 3:16–17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Matt 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
1 Tim 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

 

[brightfame52]

If there were any truth in your claim, you would be addressing the scripture posted.

Its True

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry, one with a desire for salvation, one who does not want any to perish, does not determine such.

It was Gods will to make the vessels of wrath and fit them for destruction

 

[TomL]

It was Gods will to make the vessels of wrath and fit them for destruction

You did not address this

The scripture does not support your claim

Scripture speaks of God's desire that all be saved

As I noted

It makes no sense, as God desires that all do not perish, that all should repent, all become saved to determine men from birth to be condemned to punishment.

That would be opposite his desire.

His desire, however, is rejected by man, and so he becomes a vessel of wrath.

That is quite different than God creating him that way when he desires to save all



1 Tim 2:3–4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Ezek 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Ezek 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

John 3:16–17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Matt 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
1 Tim 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

 

[TomL]

Its True

If it were true you would have addressed these verses


His desire, however, is rejected by man, and so he becomes a vessel of wrath.

That is quite different than God creating him that way when he desires to save all

1 Tim 2:3–4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Ezek 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Ezek 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

John 3:16–17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Matt 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
1 Tim 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Scripture speaks of God's desire that all be saved

As I noted

It makes no sense, as God desires that all do not perish, that all should repent, all become saved to determine men from birth to be condemned to punishment.

That would be opposite his desire.

 

[brightfame52]

You did not address this

Everything is addressed in Gods clear declaration that He made some as vessels of wrath and fitted them for destruction, thats His will being done Rom 9:22

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: