Are vessels of wrath able to become vessels of mercy?

[TomL]

Rom 8:8 hasnt been proven wrong with scripture. Show me a scripture that says they which be in the flesh can please God

There are many as one is not born again until belief

As was posted

Your inability to actually address many verses shows your false handling of the word of God

Wrongly

Once again your interpretations are contrary to the whole of scripture.

Again you misinterpret scripture by interpreting a single verse contrary to the multiplicity of verses.

Again your interpretation is distorted

If you imagine you can interpret a single verse contrary to multiple verses, you really have no knowledge on how to interpret scripture.

You have ignored many verses

Actually, scripture shows your view to be false.

You are incapable of dealing with scripture.


The Spirit makes alive those who believe. That is

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.
.

As always

The Spirit makes alive those who believe

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.

You have to be really incapable to imagine your interpretation of one verse can contradict a dozen of God's verses.

 

[brightfame52]

There are many as one is not born again until belief

Impossible, when one hasn't been born of the Spirit, they're in the flesh and can't please God Rom 8:8

 

[FreeInChrist]

There are many as one is not born again until belief

As was posted

Your inability to actually address many verses shows your false handling of the word of God

Wrongly

Once again your interpretations are contrary to the whole of scripture.

The limited number of scriptures used may be the accept ones taught as to be the only ones. Might have talking points on those and that is why for the repitition.?

Again you misinterpret scripture by interpreting a single verse contrary to the multiplicity of verses.

Again your interpretation is distorted

If you imagine you can interpret a single verse contrary to multiple verses, you really have no knowledge on how to interpret scripture.

You have ignored many verses

Actually, scripture shows your view to be false.

You are incapable of dealing with scripture.


The Spirit makes alive those who believe. That is

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.
.

As always

The Spirit makes alive those who believe

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.

You have to be really incapable to imagine your interpretation of one verse can contradict a dozen of God's verses.

 

[TomL]

The limited number of scriptures used may be the accept ones taught as to be the only ones. Might have talking points on those and that is why for the repitition.?

In Calvinism very few verses can be interpreted in a manner to support their doctrine. Many other verses, however, must be ignored because they are contrary to it.

 

[TomL]

Impossible, when one hasn't been born of the Spirit, they're in the flesh and can't please God Rom 8:8

You fail to read or understand other scripture

The Spirit makes alive those who believe. That is faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.
.

As always

The Spirit makes alive those who believe

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.

You have to be really incapable to imagine your interpretation of one verse can contradict a dozen of God's verses.

 

[brightfame52]

You fail to read or understand other scripture

God made some men to be taken and destroyed, that is why they were born 2 Pet 2:12

. 12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

 

[Swordman]

God made some men to be taken and destroyed, that is why they were born 2 Pet 2:12

. 12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Are you one of them?

I am not trying to be trite here, but I am curious how you consider yourself.

 

[Swordman]

No sir, its a stated fact found here, Rom 8:8

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The only ones in the flesh are the unregenerate, and they cannot please God, hence the reason why must needs be born again first. Jn 3:6-7

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

All religion, good intentions, sincerity, and honesty and so on, repentance, baptisms, coming from the unregenerate, its not pleasing to God and rejected, in fact its evil dead works

Now if you interpret any other scriptures in violation of Rom 8:8 by default you are in error, when it comes to doing anything as a condition for salvation

Do you think Cyrus the Great, a pagan king, acted in the flesh or in the spirit?

 

[TomL]

God made some men to be taken and destroyed, that is why they were born 2 Pet 2:12

. 12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Um, it is their corruption that makes them to be taken and destroyed.

 

[brightfame52]

Um, it is their corruption that makes them to be taken and destroyed.

They were born/made to be taken and destroyed. The word destroyed is the greek word phthora :

1. corruption, destruction, perishing
   
   1. that which is subject to corruption, what is perishable
   2. in the Christian sense, eternal misery in hell

 

[TomL]

They were born/made to be taken and destroyed. The word destroyed is the greek word phthora :

1. corruption, destruction, perishing
   1. that which is subject to corruption, what is perishable
   2. in the Christian sense, eternal misery in hell

Afraid not

2:12b. The false teachers of the first century were like brute beasts. They operated from instinct, which was locked into their sin nature, rather than from rational choice. Creatures of instinct translates the one Greek word physika, “belonging to nature.” They followed their natural desires. Like animals in a jungle, their only value was in being caught and destroyed (cf. Jude 10). This harsh language from Peter is an indication of how serious he considered these heresies to be. Like beasts they too will perish is literally, “in their corruption (phthora) they too shall be corrupted” (phtharēsontai), an interesting play on words (cf. “corrupted” in Eph. 4:22). Corruption here probably means eternal punishment.

Kenneth O. Gangel, “2 Peter,” in The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures (ed. J. F. Walvoord and R. B. Zuck; vol. 2; Wheaton, IL: Victor Books, 1985), 2872.

 

[Kampioen]

Nothing can overturn that fact Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Correct. This persons is still in the flesh and thus cannot please God. ...

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

But if he learns how and ceases being in the flesh ie believes on Jesus, then he can please God. ...

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

 

[brightfame52]

Afraid not

Afraid so, they were born to be taken and destroyed in hell, to perish, God regarded them no more value as wild beast that means absolutely nothing to Him 2 Pet 2:12

12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

 

[brightfame52]

Correct. This persons is still in the flesh and thus cannot please God. ...

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

But if he learns how and ceases being in the flesh ie believes on Jesus, then he can please God. ...

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Nothing can overturn that fact Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[Kampioen]

Nothing can overturn that fact Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Correct. This persons is still in the flesh and thus cannot please God. ...

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

But if he learns how and ceases being in the flesh ie believes on Jesus, then he can please God. ...

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.