Are vessels of wrath able to become vessels of mercy?

[Bob Carabbio]

Can a vessel of wrath become a vessel of mercy?

EVERY HUMAN is a "Vessel of wrath" in their natural unregenerate state. NO HUMAN in the Old Testament was "Saved / Regenerated" in the New Testament sense, and NO Old Testament persons went to heaven when they dies - instead those who placed their faith in GOD to cleanse them went to "Abraham's Bosom" (Luke 16:22) - apparently a "place" apart from HELL where Old Testament Believers were consigned to when they died physically. they dies IN FAITH that God would make a way.

Then Jesus came, and performed the perfect "SIN OFFERING" (Isa 53:10-12), and led those in "Abraham's Bosom" into Heaven (Eph 4:8). Also the way to immediate regeneration (Salvation) became experimentally real, based on FAITH (Eph 2:8,9).

Salvation from Adam forward HAS ALWAYS BEEN by FAITH as communicated by the Holy Spirit (Rom 10:17).

Simple as that!!!

 

[brightfame52]

EVERY HUMAN is a "Vessel of wrath" in their natural unregenerate state.

Thats false, but every human is born as a child of wrath by nature Eph 2:3 and worthy of wrath. But only the non elect are born as the vessels of wrath being fitted for destruction

 

[TomL]

Nothing can overturn that fact Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

You have ignored many verses

Actually, scripture shows your view to be false.

You are incapable of dealing with scripture.


The Spirit makes alive those who believe. That is

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.
.

As always

The Spirit makes alive those who believe

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.

You have to be really incapable to imagine your interpretation of one verse contradicts many of God's verses.

 

[brightfame52]

You have ignored many verses

Nothing you've posted overturn Rom 8:8

 

[TomL]

Nothing you've posted overturn Rom 8:8

If you imagine you can interpret a single verse contrary to multiple verses, you really have no knowledge on how to interpret scripture.

You have ignored many verses

Actually, scripture shows your view to be false.

You are incapable of dealing with scripture.


The Spirit makes alive those who believe. That is

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.
.

As always

The Spirit makes alive those who believe

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.

You have to be really incapable to imagine your interpretation of one verse can contradict a dozen of God's verses.

 

[brightfame52]

If you imagine you can interpret a single verse contrary to multiple verses, you really have no knowledge on how to interpret scripture.

If only you could interpret Rom 8:8 you would quit wasting time, they which are in the flesh cannot please God, thats the unregenerate without the Spirit.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Nothing you've posted overturn Rom 8:8

The entire chapter of Rom 8 overturns it

 

[brightfame52]

The entire chapter of Rom 8 overturns it

No it doesnt, its found in Rom 8 Thank God it was inspired

 

[TomL]

If only you could interpret Rom 8:8 you would quit wasting time, they which are in the flesh cannot please God, thats the unregenerate without the Spirit.

Again your interpretation is distorted

If you imagine you can interpret a single verse contrary to multiple verses, you really have no knowledge on how to interpret scripture.

You have ignored many verses

Actually, scripture shows your view to be false.

You are incapable of dealing with scripture.


The Spirit makes alive those who believe. That is

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.
.

As always

The Spirit makes alive those who believe

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.

You have to be really incapable to imagine your interpretation of one verse can contradict a dozen of God's verses.

 

[brightfame52]

Again your interpretation is distorted

Rom 8:8 is plain truth

 

[TomL]

Rom 8:8 is plain truth

Again you misinterpret scripture by interpreting a single verse contrary to the multiplicity of verses.

Again your interpretation is distorted

If you imagine you can interpret a single verse contrary to multiple verses, you really have no knowledge on how to interpret scripture.

You have ignored many verses

Actually, scripture shows your view to be false.

You are incapable of dealing with scripture.


The Spirit makes alive those who believe. That is

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.
.

As always

The Spirit makes alive those who believe

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.

You have to be really incapable to imagine your interpretation of one verse can contradict a dozen of God's verses.

 

[brightfame52]

Again you misinterpret scripture by interpreting a single verse contrary to the multiplicity of verses.

No I dont. Rom 8:8 stands forever

 

[TomL]

No I dont. Rom 8:8 stands forever

Once again your interpretations are contrary to the whole of scripture.

Again you misinterpret scripture by interpreting a single verse contrary to the multiplicity of verses.

Again your interpretation is distorted

If you imagine you can interpret a single verse contrary to multiple verses, you really have no knowledge on how to interpret scripture.

You have ignored many verses

Actually, scripture shows your view to be false.

You are incapable of dealing with scripture.


The Spirit makes alive those who believe. That is

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.
.

As always

The Spirit makes alive those who believe

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.

You have to be really incapable to imagine your interpretation of one verse can contradict a dozen of God's verses.

 

[brightfame52]

Once again your interpretations are contrary to the whole of scripture

Rom 8:8 stands

 

[TomL]

Rom 8:8 stands

Wrongly

Once again your interpretations are contrary to the whole of scripture.

Again you misinterpret scripture by interpreting a single verse contrary to the multiplicity of verses.

Again your interpretation is distorted

If you imagine you can interpret a single verse contrary to multiple verses, you really have no knowledge on how to interpret scripture.

You have ignored many verses

Actually, scripture shows your view to be false.

You are incapable of dealing with scripture.


The Spirit makes alive those who believe. That is

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.
.

As always

The Spirit makes alive those who believe

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.

You have to be really incapable to imagine your interpretation of one verse can contradict a dozen of God's verses.

 

[brightfame52]

Wrongly

Romans 8:8 stands

 

[TomL]

Romans 8:8 stands

Your inability to actually address many verses shows your false handling of the word of God

Wrongly

Once again your interpretations are contrary to the whole of scripture.

Again you misinterpret scripture by interpreting a single verse contrary to the multiplicity of verses.

Again your interpretation is distorted

If you imagine you can interpret a single verse contrary to multiple verses, you really have no knowledge on how to interpret scripture.

You have ignored many verses

Actually, scripture shows your view to be false.

You are incapable of dealing with scripture.


The Spirit makes alive those who believe. That is

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.
.

As always

The Spirit makes alive those who believe

faith precedes regeneration, for regeneration requires the indwelling of the Spirit

John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Gal 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Eph 1:13–14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

It is rather plain

John 1:12–13But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Those who believe become children of God that is born of God, i.e., regenerated.

You have to be really incapable to imagine your interpretation of one verse can contradict a dozen of God's verses.

 

[brightfame52]

Your inability to actually address many verses shows your false handling of the word of God

Rom 8:8 hasnt been proven wrong with scripture. Show me a scripture that says they which be in the flesh can please God

 

[Swordman]

Rom 8:8 hasnt been proven wrong with scripture. Show me a scripture that says they which be in the flesh can please God

What you are asking for is something that would contradict Romans 8:8. That is not necessary, nor is it the problem. The problem is that you are misinterpreting Romans 8:8 by keeping it in isolation from other texts. No one would say that the words are wrong. However, words have meaning only in a particular context. As Stanley Stowers once noted, the exact same words can have two different meanings when found in different contexts.

I suspect you are trying to lay a trap here. If someone says you can do no good in the flesh, then you will say that you cannot have faith in the flesh because believing (having faith) is a good thing. And you would miss the point of Romans 8 as a result.

The mind moves from the flesh to the Spirit when one has faith in Christ. Once you are in the Spirit, you obey God's law. That is why Paul says:

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and to deal with sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the just requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (Rom 8:2-4 NRSV)​

That faith comes before the giving of the Spirit is evident from Ephesians 1:13-14, where Paul says:

In him you also, when you had heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and had believed in him, were marked with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit; this is the pledge of our inheritance toward redemption as God’s own people, to the praise of his glory.​

It is also clearly stated in Galatians 3:2 and 3:14. See also Romans 5:1-5, where justification by faith precedes the mention of the Spirit.

In fact, Romans 8:8 says nothing about whether the Spirit is given before faith occurs. It simply is comparing the life in the flesh with the life in the Spirit.

This is the problem with trying to "proof-text" with isolated scriptures. You almost always will misinterpret the meaning of the text. A general rule of interpretation is that the broader the context engaged, the less likely you are to be in error. The contrast is also almost always true - when you narrow your context for interpretation, you increase your chances of error.

 

[brightfame52]

What you are asking for is something that would contradict Romans 8:8. That is not necessary, nor is it the problem. The problem is that you are misinterpreting Romans 8:8 by keeping it in isolation from other texts.

No sir, its a stated fact found here, Rom 8:8

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The only ones in the flesh are the unregenerate, and they cannot please God, hence the reason why must needs be born again first. Jn 3:6-7

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

All religion, good intentions, sincerity, and honesty and so on, repentance, baptisms, coming from the unregenerate, its not pleasing to God and rejected, in fact its evil dead works

Now if you interpret any other scriptures in violation of Rom 8:8 by default you are in error, when it comes to doing anything as a condition for salvation