An honest inquiry into the nature of Christology by a Trinitarian

regeneration = being restored to the body made by God in eden
in the other reality

being restored to our land
and to each other
and to Him
and to walk and talk with Him
again

to be rescued from this foreign land
finally and go Home
 
e v e said:
What do you think?
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What I think is irrelevant.
I'm trying to understand what you mean by the words you're using.
e v e said:
that literally being saved is
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.....?
e v e said:
that His souls will meet christ on the clouds
and return to eden paradise
which He legally made possible to happen
by the cross
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Ok.
so, his death on the cross procured our salvation?

from what are we being saved?

e v e said:
but now will be de facto.

finally
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....?
 
SteveB said:
What I think is irrelevant.
I'm trying to understand what you mean by the words you're using.

.....?

Ok.
so, his death on the cross procured our salvation?

from what are we being saved?


....?
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I replied. The gist is that the "I am saved already" as if that's it
and expressed by many is not true...
 
e v e said:
I replied. The gist is that the "I am saved already" as if that's it
and expressed by many is not true...
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Ok. So you're not actually able to describe your ideas from a biblical perspective?

Very well then.

I strongly encourage you to take the time and make the effort to learn the Bible and understand it.

YHVH warns us,

Hos 4:6 WEB My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.


This is extremely important.
 
101G said:
there is no style for 101G, only PRINCIPLE. and the first principles of the oracles of God. is Hebrews 5:12 " For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 " For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 " But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

hope that was not too long.

101G.
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Now you are quoting a text without context. This does not support your claim against the nature of the Godhead any more than the other posts you have shared.
 
SteveB said:
And what makes you the only person on this forum who can be defined as one of these people you think Isaiah describes?
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the only one? did 101G say that? 1 Corinthians 2:10 " But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God." 1 Corinthians 2:11 " For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God." 1 Corinthians 2:12 " Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." 1 Corinthians 2:13 " Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." 1 Corinthians 2:14 " But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
SteveB said:
You've still failed to answer the question I asked you.
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101G answered you, but you did not recognize or understand the answer. not 101G fault.
SteveB said:
For someone who is trying to convince others that you're some spiritual hotshot who should be taken more seriously than others, you're actually demonstrating that you are quite unreliable.
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(smile), personal opinion? and to convince others. my job is to bring you to the water, 101G cannot make you drink...... (smile).... :D YIKES!

101G.


101G.
 
e v e said:
salvation , being saved = restoration to our eden
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ERROR, all thing will be made NEW. supportive scripture..... OT, Isaiah 65:17 " For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

NT, Revelation 21:1 " And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
e v e said:
hope is what we have until we are saved from this earth.

Christ made it possible to go Home.
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our HOME is here on EARTH. in the new creation.

101G
 
101G said:
the only one? did 101G say that? 1 Corinthians 2:10 " But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God." 1 Corinthians 2:11 " For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God." 1 Corinthians 2:12 " Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." 1 Corinthians 2:13 " Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." 1 Corinthians 2:14 " But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

101G answered you, but you did not recognize or understand the answer. not 101G fault.
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Of course not.
Why would you actually take responsibility for your response.

101G said:
(smile), personal opinion? and to convince others. my job is to bring you to the water, 101G cannot make you drink...... (smile).... :D YIKES!

101G.


101G.
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The problem I'm seeing is...
You don't actually give living water.
What you give is more like gravel and sand.
 
101G said:
ERROR, all thing will be made NEW. supportive scripture..... OT, Isaiah 65:17 " For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

NT, Revelation 21:1 " And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

our HOME is here on EARTH. in the new creation.

101G
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the former there quoted by you
in correct context is the current reality...
this earth will never be remembered.

the made new is eden's restoration.
in the other reality.

this earth will pass

forever
 
SteveB said:
You tell.
You're the one refusing to take responsibility.
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GINOLJC, to all.
nope 101G quoted scripture, which you did not understand. it's your responsibility to learn. not 101G's
SteveB said:
Jer 2:13 WEB “For my people have committed two evils: they have forsaken me, the spring of living waters, and cut out cisterns for themselves: broken cisterns that can’t hold water.
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just as 101G said. bring them to the water, but they have to drink. now, since you said the person in Isaiah 44:24 is not the same person in John 1:3 your cisterns is broke and cannot hold water.

and the reason why is the person in Isaiah 44:24 is "ALONE" and "by himself". if one cannot understand what ALONE and BY ONESELF means they cannot drink the living water yet..... (smile).

101G.
 
to all my trinitarians,
please understand, the Lord Jesus is the ECHAD, or the "ANOTHER"/G243 Allos of himself in flesh. ...... now in Glorified flesh. are we comperhering?

101G.
 
sawdust said:
You're the one who isn't getting it. He couldn't die until He became as a man born into this world. Your inability to comprehend souls can exist without a body, even more so when that soul is in union with Deity in the one person who is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Our souls, created by God, are imputed to our bodies at birth. His soul was uniquely begotten in "eternity past". The only perfect soul. You keep treating the Lord as if He is a human being in the world and subject to all the limitations of being a human being. That did not occur until a body was prepared for Him and He was born into this world and that was a position He took on from His own free will. If He denies Himself the right to function in His Deity in the Incarnation (and He did), then what is left to take up function in that body? You have Him having a soul that is created in time. How can His soul be created when nothing that is created exists apart from Him being already? You have a catch 22 or a person who is so broken up in their being one has to question, "how can they be"?

It is our souls that make us human. Having a body makes us alive in this world as a human being. When you understand that, then you might finally understand what I have been saying to you.

(but I'm not holding my breath) ;)

I've said all I'm going to say on the matter. You have a nice Day. :)
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are you saying Jesus had a human soul before His physical birth as a man ?
 

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