civic
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Just responding like you did earlier. I can give dozens of scriptures refuting you and you will just deny all of them and quote one verse ripped from its context and twist its intended meaning.
An Article on free will
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As usual what is needed is poured into scripture by that poster
Man can please God with faith
Hebrews 11:6 (LEB) — 6 Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and is a rewarder of those who seek him.
you assume all are in the flesh at all times
Richard
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Romans 8:7
because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
That changes when we get saved. Then we are in the spirit. When we chose to believe.
opportunity to be reconciled to God. Romans 10:12-13: For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”
MTMattie
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"you assume all are in the flesh at all times" has to suggest that @brightfame52 IS also in the flesh.
I wish they would tell us of their "born again" experience. Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born again.
@brightfame52... a little light reading for you.
But what does the Scripture actually say about the logical order of new life and man’s responsibility in attaining it? Which comes first, new life or faith? Let’s observe:
Ezekiel 18:30-32
“Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “Repent, Turn away…Rid yourselves…”
- “…get a new heart and a new spirit.”
- “Repent and…”
- “…live!”
Acts 11:18
When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “Repentance unto…”
- “…life”
John 5:40
“yet you refuse to COME TO ME TO HAVE LIFE.”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “Come to me…” (through faith)
- “…to have life.”
John 6:53
“I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “Unless you eat…drink” (by faith)
- “…you have not life in you.”
John 6:57
“so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “the one who feeds on me…” (by faith)
- “…will live”
John 20:31
“But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “these are written…” (scriptures)
- “…that you may believe…”
- “…by believing you may have life…”
Acts 15:9
“He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “He purified their hearts…”
- “…by faith.”
John 1:12-13
“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
The right to be born of God is given only to those who believe.
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “…all who did receive him…who believed…”
- “…he gave the right to BECOME children of God…”
You are not even given to right to become a child of God, much less be born again as his child, UNTIL you “receive him” and “believe in his name.” And while placing our trust in Christ is man’s responsibility, the work of regeneration is all of God’s doing. It does not come by way of inheritance, marriage, works or striving (Rom. 9:30-32).
Galatians 3:26
“You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus…”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “You are all sons of God…”
- “…through faith in Christ…”
John 12:36
“Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “Believe in the light…”
- “…so that you may become children…”
Ephesians 1:13
“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “when you heard the message of truth…when you believed
- “you were included in Christ…you were marked in him…”
Galatians 3:2, 5
“I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?… So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “…received the Spirit…”
- “…by believing what you heard…”
2 Corinthians 3:14-16
“But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “…anyone turns to the Lord…” (by faith)
- “…the veil is taken away.”
1 Timothy 1:16
“But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “…those who would believe in him…”
- “…may receive eternal life.”
Colossians 2:12
“…having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “…baptism, in which you were also raised…”
- “…through your faith…”
James 1:18
“He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.”
The order clearly laid out is as follows:
- “…give us brith…”
- “…through the word of truth…”
The Philippian jailer inquired, “What must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30). If Paul was Calvinistic he should have replied, “You can do nothing to be saved. You were born corpse-like dead in your sin and a dead man can do nothing. If God makes you alive then you will be convinced to believe our gospel.” But Paul does not hesitate to simply say, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). Believe so as to have new life. Repent so as to live! That is the gospel appeal sent for all to hear it and respond.
Now the link these came from is https://soteriology101.com/2016/03/09/does-regeneration-precede-faith/
Titled does Regeneration precede faith.
Ity goes on about Calvinism... and even comments "Examples of other points where Calvinists simply do not agree among themselves:"
Certainly you have your fre will to continue in your beliefs... but the Bible verses above dispute you belief.
Obadiah
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“it is the power of God for salvation to all who believe” (Rom. 1:16-17). The gospel calls all to repent and trust in the Lord for salvation, and be forgiven and credited with righteousness so as to receive the gift of eternal life.
Your devotion to your heart's treasure of your Fallible Grace of God (Resistible Grace) is evident in your writings since your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation adulterates the Holy Scripture as evidenced through your own writings recorded in your post to which God causes me to respond now:
| The Book of civic | The Book of Isaiah | |
| For thus the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel, has said, “In repentance and rest you will be saved by you freewill choosing to accept the Grace of God, In quietness and trust is your strength.” But you were not willing to partake of the Grace of God (civic 30:15) | For thus the Lord YHWH, the Holy One of Israel, has said, “In repentance and rest you will be saved, In quietness and trust is your strength.” But you were not willing, (Isaiah 30:15) |
According to your preaching, man controls the Love of God, yet Apostolic testimony is "the Love of Christ controls us" Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) - a blessed Apostolic testimony in the Holy Spirit.
Your testimony is man earns the unearned Love of God because man chooses the Love of God.
This post is an integral continuation with:
- post #5,018 - Evaluated Your Conclusion That God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,019 - Your Adulteration of Matthew 22:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,024 - Your Destruction of Jerusalem, Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,026 - Hebrews 6:4-8 Exposes The Impossibility Of A Christian To Expose The Christ To Public Shame Despite Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,031 - You Declare The Almighty God Is Miserably Weak Per Your Heart's Rendition Of Luke 19:41 For Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,036 - You fallen away from God's Grace is not you fallen out of God's Grace in Galatians 5:4-7, so your self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is resistible and earnable fails to be your proof.
- post #5,045 - You believe Lord Jesus, who is Love, fails by your quoting of Hebrews 12:14-15 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,078 - You believe Almighty God, who is Love, fails by your quoting of 2 Corinthians 6:1 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,105 - Your perverted a warning into a binding judgment in Hebrews 10:29 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,132 - Your heart adulterates Hebrews 12:25's word "warns" into the word "condemns" As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,168 - You Added Free-will into Genesis 6:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,190 - Your Heart Revised History In 2 Chronicles 36:15-16 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
- post #5,249 - Proverbs 29:1 Fails As A Proof Text For Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).
In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE SOVEREIGN KING JESUS CHRIST!!!
Ozias
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But wait, there is more.
And that is there has always been one gospel and it is the eternal gospel. Whoever repents and trusts in the Lord for their salvation and calls upon His name in faith is forgiven and credited with righteousness, being set apart in the Son. They are set apart, being in Christ, based on His work on the cross, who came down to earth as a man and atoned for the sins of all people.
brightfame52
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So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. So they cant have the Faith of Heb 11:6 duh
brightfame52
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so Rom 8:8
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
So we cant have Faith that pleases God without Salvation first.
brightfame52
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They are until regeneration a new creation
brightfame52
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You must be saved to believe the Gospel. Do you believe the Gospel? The Doctrines of Grace/Tulip?
Richard
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Christians are no longer people who are "in the flesh." Our status has been changed through faith in Christ to "in the Spirit." Second, when Paul talks about the "flesh" in Romans, he is not just talking about sexual sin, or greed. That's often how we think of sins of the flesh. The flesh includes all self-serving sins.
Paul also introduces into the conversation the idea of how God feels about people. He is pleased with those who are in Christ because He is pleased with Christ (Matthew 17:5). Our identity with Christ makes all the difference. He is not pleased with those who are only in themselves with their sinful focus on themselves.
We want to be careful here. It is true that God loves the world (John 3:16), but He has expressed that love by sending His Son to make it possible for all who believe to be included in His family. God is pleased by human faith in Him. Without faith, it is impossible to please Him (Hebrews 11:6). God's holiness does not allow for those who reject Him and His Son (John 3:18) to be part of this salvation (John 14:6)
Verse-by-Verse Commentary
Richard
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After Cain became angry because God had accepted Abel’s offering and had not accepted his offering, God told Cain that sin was knocking at the door and that he should not allow it to rule over him, least it become his master (see Genesis 4:6-7).
God did not deal with Cain as if he were totally depraved. On the contrary, God instructed Cain to rule over this sin that was knocking at the door. The Bible tells us that Cain murdered his brother not because he was totally depraved, but because his deeds were evil and his brother’s was righteous.
civic
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Amen
Obadiah
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Cart before the horse. You must believe the Real Gospel, not the Calvinist man made fake gospel, before you can be saved.
brightfame52
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so Rom 8:8
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
So we cant have Faith that pleases God without Salvation first.
brightfame52
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One can not believe the Gospel of Salvation unless they are Saved. And you calling the Gospel fake
brightfame52
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Relevance
Obadiah
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Cart before the horse. You must believe the Real Gospel, not the Calvinist man made fake gospel, before you can be saved.
