Therein lies exactly my point. Which does SCRIPTURE teach, that Jesus died so men “can be saved” or that Jesus died “to save” men?
The Doctrines of Grace place the POWER to save (that which distinguishes the saved from the lost) in the hands of GOD. The Doctrines of Free Will place the POWER to save (that which distinguishes the saved from the lost) in the hands of MEN.
According to the dictionary, “propitiation” means: “the act of gaining or regaining the favor or goodwill of someone or something”
… so I repeat the question: Was the favor or goodwill of God regained for ALL MEN, THE WHOLE WORLD, EVERYONE as you quoted in “The propitiation for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2” under your Doctrine of Free Will?
It’s time for some education on propitiation
In
1 John 4:10 hilasmos/ translated as propitiation in some translations there cannot mean sooth anger and must mean something else( Expiation) than what is taught in christendom. God says love 3 times in that passage so it cannot mean anger being soothed. It means expiation as in covering for sin.
I always go to Christ who is God as my primary source of truth. His teaching must not contradict anyone else in scripture. If there seems to be a contradiction then it is with mans understanding on the topic not from Jesus teaching. He is God and He is the authority on all things. Not once did Jesus even hint Hid death was propitiation as taught by the reformers meaning appeasing an angry deity- that concept is pagan. That is why propitiation is not a good translation, expiation is the better translation and meaning in 1 John.
How did He view His own death- the atonement ?
We see God the Son described His own death, the Atonement in 4 ways. Theology begins with God. He said His death was a Substitution, a Ransom, a Passover, a Sacrifice and for forgiveness of sins- Expiation
1- Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
John 15:13 Substitution, Ransom
2-No man takes my life I lay it down and I will take it up again-
John 10:18 Substitution, Ransom
3- I lay My life down for the sheep-
John 10:15Substitution, Ransom
4- Jesus viewed His death as the Passover
John 6:51
5-just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a Ransom for many-
Matthew 20:28
6-I Am the Good Shepherd who lays down His life for the sheep- Substitution,
John 10:11
7-Jesus said in
John 11:50- nor do you take into account that it is expedient for you that one man die for the people, and that the whole nation not perish- Substitution
8 -This is my blood of the Covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins-
Matthew 26:28- Expiation
The N.T. writers' emphasis on the atonement is on the side of expiation rather than propitiation, which is only used twice in the epistle of 1 John. Gods’ wrath is still future and will judge those who reject His Sons atonement for sin. Gods’ wrath was not poured out on the Son for sin otherwise there would be no future wrath from God because of sin.
If we were to read propitiation ( appease an angry god as the meaning ) in
1 John 4:10look at how absurd if reads.
This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to appease our angry god , to appease His anger, to appease his angry self etc.......for our sins.
That makes no sense at all theologically , grammatically or contextually. It’s a contradiction, an oxymoron.
These translations properly convey the meaning of hilasmos.
Berean Standard Bible
And love consists in this: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins.
New International Version
This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
New Living Translation
This is real love—not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to take away our sins.
Christian Standard Bible
Love consists in this: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
In this is love: it was not that we loved God, but he has loved us, and he sent us his Son, the atonement for the sake of our sins.
Contemporary English Version
Real love isn't our love for God, but his love for us. God sent his Son to be the sacrifice by which our sins are forgiven.
Good News Translation
This is what love is: it is not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the means by which our sins are forgiven.
International Standard Version
This is love: not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins.
Majority Standard Bible
And love consists in this: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins.
New American Bible
In this is love: not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as expiation for our sins.
NET Bible
In this is love: not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins.
New Revised Standard Version
In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins.
New Heart English Bible
In this is love, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins.
Weymouth New Testament
This is love indeed--we did not love God, but He loved us and sent His Son to be an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
World English Bible
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins.
Here are the only three uses of “propitiation” in the KJV:
“Whom God hath set forth
to be a
propitiation(G2435) through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare,
I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.” (
Rom 3:25-26)
“And he is the
propitiation (G2434) for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for
the sins of the whole world.” (
1 John 2:2)
“Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son
to be the
propitiation(G2434) for our sins.” (
1 John 4:10)
As we will see, this is a very poor word to use to translate the original Greek.
Here are the definitions given for the Greek words used for propitiation:
Original Word Definitions
G2434 ἱλασμός hilasmos hil-as-mos’
a root word; n m;
AV-propitiation 2; 2
1) an appeasing, propitiating
2) the means of appeasing, a propitiation
G2435 ἱλαστήριον hilasterion hil-as-tay’-ree-on
from a derivative of
G2433; n n;
AV-propitiation 1, mercyseat 1; 2
1) relating to an appeasing or expiating, having placating or expiating force, expiatory; a means of appeasing or expiating, a
propitiation
1a) used of the cover of the ark of the covenant in the Holy of Holies, which was sprinkled with the blood of the expiatory victim on the annual day of atonement (this rite signifying that the life of the people, the loss of which they had merited by their sins, was offered to God in the blood as the life of the victim, and that
God by this ceremony
was appeased and their sins expiated); hence the lid of expiation, the propitiatory
1b) an expiatory sacrifice
1c) an expiatory victim
Since G2435 comes from G2433 we should look at that word:
2433 ἱλάσκομαι hilaskomai hil-as’-kom-ahee
middle voice from the same as
2436; v;
AV-be merciful 1, make reconciliation 1; 2
1) to render one’s self, to appease, conciliate to one’s self
1a) to become propitious, be placated or appeased
1b) to be propitious, be gracious, be merciful
2) to expiate, make propitiation for
There is only one other verse that uses “hilasterion” (G2435):
“And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the
mercyseat; (G2435) of which we cannot now speak particularly.” (
Heb 9:5)
That verse suggests that “hilasterion” is a place where mercy is given – quite different from the usual meaning of propitiation.
So, if that word had been used in
Romans 3:25, would that give the verse a different meaning?
“Whom God hath set forth
to be a
propitiationmercy seat …”
It literally means “a place or means of
reconciliation, a place where
atonement or unity and at-one-ment takes place.”
The only two verses that use “
hilaskomai” (G2433) are:
“And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as
his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be
merciful (G2433) to me a sinner.” (
Luke 18:13)
“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto
his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things
pertaining to God, to make
reconciliation for (G2433) the sins of the people.” (
Heb 2:17)
Those verses do not suggest anything like propitiation. What are the effects of the translation of a word meaning
mercy seat as propitiation? They can’t be good.
Where did the Concept of Propitiation Come From?
Many (if not all) pagan cultures embrace the concept of propitiation and appeasement. Here is another example of modern misunderstanding:
“… Propitiation is an ancient word, which we as Christians have in common with other world religions.
To propitiate a god is to offer a sacrifice that turns aside the god’s wrath. Anyone who believes in a god knows that they need
some way to stay on the friendly side of that god. So they give gifts to the god, or serve in the temple, or give alms. And if the god is angry with them, they pay a price, or make a sacrifice, or find some way to soothe the god’s anger: they propitiate him.”(
https://maney.us/blog/2014/03/25/trevin-wax-pagan-propitiation-vs-biblical-propitiation/)
Do we really need a way to stay on the friendly side of God? What about “God is love”?
Here are verses using “propitiation” (in the KJV):
“God presented Jesus as
the way and the means of restoration. Now, through the trust established by
the evidence of God’s character revealed when Christ died, we may partake of the Remedy procured by Christ. God did this to demonstrate that he is right and good — because in his forbearance he suspended, for a time, the ultimate consequence of us being out of harmony with his design for life — yet he has been falsely accused of being unfair. 26 He did it to demonstrate at the present time how right and good he is, so that he would also be seen as being right when he heals those who trust in Jesus.” (
Rom 3:25-26, )
“This is what real love is: It is not that we have loved God, or that we have done something to get him to love us, but that he loved us so much that he sent his Son to become
the Remedy and cure for the infection of sin and selfishness so that through him we might be restored into perfect unity with God.” (
1 John 4:10, )
https://characterofgod.org/propitiation-definition/
hope this helps !!!
