I cannot figure out what this timeline is meant to convey. Can I presume that we have properly found Westcott and Hort as cleared of the charges made against them since no objections were made to what I shared?
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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e v e
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is it really worth being left behind
just because of community pressure,
earthly 'christianity' versions of community,
... not listening to Him
the hebrews did not listen either...
caught up in earthly bonding,
hugs, etc.,
traditions, pharisees and their
edicts
almost half the prophets murdered..
to maintain that haughty status quo
behind the kind superficiality
of modern christian
is that same situation
please ignore many pastors,
especially yt ones,
many being modern pharisees
or else spelled by them..
they with their false scroll will be your ruin
salesmen with shiny gold teeth
rubbing their hands with glee
... wanting you to miss rapture
by that sorcery kjv..
using any tactic..
bullying
sanctimonious vatican
theology... lies.
don't be like the israelites
ignoring God's prophets
and listening to pharisees instead
yes , protestantism
preserved most of the vatican
evil.. it failed to reform
though meaning well
just because of community pressure,
earthly 'christianity' versions of community,
... not listening to Him
the hebrews did not listen either...
caught up in earthly bonding,
hugs, etc.,
traditions, pharisees and their
edicts
almost half the prophets murdered..
to maintain that haughty status quo
behind the kind superficiality
of modern christian
is that same situation
please ignore many pastors,
especially yt ones,
many being modern pharisees
or else spelled by them..
they with their false scroll will be your ruin
salesmen with shiny gold teeth
rubbing their hands with glee
... wanting you to miss rapture
by that sorcery kjv..
using any tactic..
bullying
sanctimonious vatican
theology... lies.
don't be like the israelites
ignoring God's prophets
and listening to pharisees instead
yes , protestantism
preserved most of the vatican
evil.. it failed to reform
though meaning well
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Victoria
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It's a timeline of Godly men who translated God's Word throughout time. What I'm curious about is what you found wrong
w/ The Byzantine Text that would put you in agreement w/ Westcott & Hort's Textual Criticism?
They practiced the occult, which is something that's clearly an abomination to God... so I'm not so sure.
If there's anything that debunks what's mentioned in the links below, I'll open to hearing you out.
https://www.bibleready.org/modern-translations
https://www.bibleready.org/westcott-and-hort
Victoria
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You okay?
Peterlag
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Well let's look at number 1...
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
The verse does not say no man cometh unto me, but by me.
Here's number 2...
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
The verse does not say God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in Him.
Number 4...
And we know that the Son of God is come, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
The verse does not say that God is come, even in Him God.
Father as in Dad . . .
I don't know what I am supposed to be preparing but yes, the Father, aka the only true God, aka LORD, aka Yahweh.
Just wondering where you heard this ^? I am a Biblical Unitarian and I have never heard that 'Christ being in us' and 'us being in Christ' is 'something like electricity that is inside of people'?
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totally wrong. They got curious about what people were reporting. I think Westcott was in a group less than a year exploring this stuff. Hort was doing it longer and went to one seance but was not trying to expose it as in the quote "We tried to turn tables, but the creatures wouldn't stir. Both the De Morgans were radiant and pleasant." This is mocking the seance scenario rather than believing it.
Radingler's New Age Bible Versions appears to have many biases and improper handling of details about Westcott and Hort.
Another point is quite off:
Here is the fuller quote about the bibliolaters:
There is dishonest quoting of this letter. It might be a harsh statement of rejecting casual reading instead of deep study. Many scholars today recommend deeper study rather than reading text out of context.
Many other places show the errancy of the people assembling and contriving proof texts against Hort and Westcott. Do more research rather than just taking the writings against Hort and Westcott as factual. Also, there appears to be very strong faith statements by these two, which should not be overlooked. Even if there are some odd views, this can appear with many solid Christians rather than assuming any group is pure and perfect in their doctrines.
Whew. You are not as deep into unitarianism. The actual idea is that of the spirit there is sort of a power people get in them. One site says
So the attempt is to depersonalize this and deny the Holy Spirit who came down upon Jesus at his baptism. Jesus said he would send a Comforter or Helper, not a force.
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FreeInChrist
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What are you talking about? Are you saying getting baptized in Jesus name ONLY? is optional.
My savior. the Messiah. Specified to baptize int the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
You think I am going to go against Him because I think he is wrong?
Be my guest but count me out.
Nope I am a full blown Biblical Unitarian! What threw me off was the statement 'something like electricity that is inside of people.' that's what I had never heard before.
I understand the Holy Spirit is God, aka God's Spirit, aka the Spirit of God.
Then we have the gift of holy spirit, = the promise of the Father. . And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high. = And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. = Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, 'Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.' Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those wo believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. = Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the holy spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. = And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the holy spirit. . . .The Comforter, the Helper is the indwelling gift of holy spirit,. (figurative, i.e. personification)
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e v e
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I am. I guess. Thank you for asking love.
but to really be okay will only be when Christ returns
and gets us out of here.
e v e
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actually, I do not even know what unitarian is.
I would say that electricity is definitely one aspect by which to refer to our Eden mother the Holy Spirit.... who is our Comforter, together with Christ.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all. #1. no, in flesh, shared, he was G2758 κενόω kenoo. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
no reputation: G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756
#2. "If so, who then comes to reside within each believer once saved & sealed?" answer Jesus, who is God, the Holy Spirit.
#3. "Jesus Christ isn't here presently, so how then are we ministered to when reading & studying His Word?" Jesus Christ is no mor, he is glorified. he Jesus in Spirit is here. .... the "Comforter".
understanding "Diversity Oneness" will reveal that God is a plurality of himself.
101G.
101G
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if the Father is "LORD" ... ok, scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
notice the "LORD", is a. ALONE, and b. BY HIMSELF. and alone means "having no one else present:" now this, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
is this the same one person who MADE ALL THINGS. YES, or No.
101G.
Victoria
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Séances are a form of necromancy. Mocking it? I don't think so. It has to be pointed out that it's an abomination to God. Many came out of the New Age, not knowing the occult was Satanic, & got saved. So it's a very big deal b/c many believe they're really doing the work of God. You should give a listen to their testimonies.
Spiritism Forbidden
"When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee." Deuteronomy 18:9-12I wasn't born into, or brought up in a religious environment. When I got saved, I had no bias, just a desire for the truth. Cherry picking verses & taking them out of context is what leads to false doctrines.
I chose to go w/ the Byzantine Text after doing side by side comparisons w/ the Alexandrian Text, & learning which set of manuscripts date straight back to the source. I'm just not comfortable going w/ a set of manuscripts that deny Christ's deity, make Him out as a liar, & a sinner. So yes, there's a reason why people say the Bible has errors/contradictions in it.
What criticisms on the Byzantine Text do you agree w/ Westcott & Hort on?
Victoria
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Could we just go w/ scripture, comparing spiritual things w/ spiritual, 101G?
Imho, we already have God's Word in English. Unless we have an expertise in the Greek &/or Hebrew, I'd recommend not using that common method I see others using. It only creates confusion. Words can have different meanings too, depending on the context, in English as well as other languages. We have to keep that fact in mind.
