All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Runningman]

Thanks for admitting you deny the Son. We know Jesus said those who deny Him the Father will also deny.

The Son of God is the human Son of Man as Jesus said. Do you agree with that? If you don't then you have denied the Son of God. Also, the only way your philosophy about Jesus being a god man would work would be is if you're a modalist. Either the Son of God is the same person as the human Son of Man or all bets are off for the trinity. If you don't admit that, then you have two different Jesus' and are a modalist.

 

[Peterlag]

Thanks for admitting you deny the Son. We know Jesus said those who deny Him the Father will also deny.

I wonder if this could end up ticking off a lot of trinitarians if they were to find out they denied the Christ since they did not even know who he was because they thought he was God.

 

[civic]

I wonder if this could end up ticking off a lot of trinitarians if they were to find out they denied the Christ since they did not even know who he was because they thought he was God.

That’s impossible since the testimony from scripture declares His Deity.

 

[Peterlag]

That’s impossible since the testimony from scripture declares His Deity.

Not by any Scripture that gets past me who understands the trinitarians take the Scriptues out of context, or not understanding how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.

 

[Peterlag]

That’s impossible since the testimony from scripture declares His Deity.

We know Jesus said those who deny Him the Father will also deny.

The Bible does not say the Father will also deny. It says Jesus will deny before the Father.

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

 

[Peterlag]

I wonder if this could end up ticking off a lot of trinitarians...

if they were to find out they denied the Christ since they did not even know who he was because they thought he was God.

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

God is eternal and was not born. In contrast to the eternal God, Christ is“begotten” that is born meaning Jesus Christ had a beginning. Jesus is nevercalled “God the Son” in the Bible, but he's called the “Son of God”more than 50 times, and a “son” has a beginning. The very fact thatJesus is the “Son of God” shows he had a beginning. Trinitarian doctrinedenies this and invents the phrase “eternally begotten" but “eternallybegotten” is not in the Bible, but was invented to help explain theTrinity and is actually a nonsensical phrase because the words are placedtogether but they cancel each other out. “Eternal” means withoutbeginning or end and something that is “begotten” by definitionhas a beginning.

 

[Runningman]

I wonder if this could end up ticking off a lot of trinitarians...

if they were to find out they denied the Christ since they did not even know who he was because they thought he was God.

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

God is eternal and was not born. In contrast to the eternal God, Christ is“begotten” that is born meaning Jesus Christ had a beginning. Jesus is nevercalled “God the Son” in the Bible, but he's called the “Son of God”more than 50 times, and a “son” has a beginning. The very fact thatJesus is the “Son of God” shows he had a beginning. Trinitarian doctrinedenies this and invents the phrase “eternally begotten" but “eternallybegotten” is not in the Bible, but was invented to help explain theTrinity and is actually a nonsensical phrase because the words are placedtogether but they cancel each other out. “Eternal” means withoutbeginning or end and something that is “begotten” by definitionhas a beginning.

The "Son of God" is equal to "God the Son" argument they use sounds like polytheism to me.

How many Gods do you count?

1. God the Father
2. God the Son
3. God the Holy Spirit

"Not three Gods, but one" according to the Athanasian Creed. How about we tell Mr. Athanasius NO? We can count and we aren't simpletons fooled by simple word games and sleight of hand. There was a time when they could have just smiled, put us in jail, or worse! Now that the trinitarian church has been declawed and defanged we can continue make progress for the real church of Jesus.

 

[e v e]

Christ is our deity.

It is simple:
Christ has the same Nature as God.

 

[e v e]

about following other gods etc.
Only christ will judge that of course.

Sometimes here (regularly, and not just directed to me!)
i read an accusation made of following other gods...
though by what authority? since only christ can judge.

souls are not perfect in understanding here, and
all of us do our best though compared to God we are
tiny little souls =
immature 5 year olds
(at least a few times a day).
LOL.

God knows our intent.

What I would like to know is who was the first
person to use that phrase as accusation of 'following another god'
Was it Calvin? Because God did not set up inquisitions
to find out who follows another god. Though the vatican
and sometimes other denominations do.
Did Christ accuse anyone of this (using that same
following another god language?)
Was that a church father, pope, or calvin or
preacher who invented that way of getting at souls?

 

[mikesw]

Which verse says they are three persons in a godhead or describes that.

we have shared that but you have forgotten. And you get tripped up by basic terminology so you cannot follow discussions.

 

[mikesw]

You cannot correct error w/ error "aka" the Alexandrian Text

that is like saying you cannot correct the German bible with content from the KJV.

 

[mikesw]

It would be wildly unusual for a genuine believer to say getting baptized in Jesus' name is optional. You really marginalize and minimize the New Testament example of Christianity.

who said to you that being baptized in the name of one of the Godhead is less than being baptized in the name of all three? The real distinction in Acts is whether the people are baptized in the Christ beliefs or the Johannic baptisim.

 

[Runningman]

we have shared that but you have forgotten. And you get tripped up by basic terminology so you cannot follow discussions.

You have searched for it and can't find it. You will be asked this as many times as necessary until you learn what you're looking for doesn't exist.

 

[Runningman]

who said to you that being baptized in the name of one of the Godhead is less than being baptized in the name of all three? The real distinction in Acts is whether the people are baptized in the Christ beliefs or the Johannic baptisim.

You aren't allowed to just make up random baptisms. Being baptized in the name of "all three" isn't a Biblical idea. No one ever got baptized that way in the Bible.

 

[mikesw]

You aren't allowed to just make up random baptisms. Being baptized in the name of "all three" isn't a Biblical idea. No one ever got baptized that way in the Bible.

If Jesus is sharing random baptisms in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, I figure we can do that without any problem. Some people want to reject what Jesus says.

 

[mikesw]

You have searched for it and can't find it. You will be asked this as many times as necessary until you learn what you're looking for doesn't exist.

haha. We are just talking about Matth 28:19-20 of the Trinity and you have forgotten that in a matter of moments. No wonder you cannot comprehend the Triune God of scripture. You first have to realize the pre-existence Jesus spoke of himself and of John 1:18. Sure this does not help you but it does warn people who might neglect the testimony of scriptures if just hearing from you.

 

[Runningman]

If Jesus is sharing random baptisms in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, I figure we can do that without any problem. Some people want to reject what Jesus says.

No one baptized following that way in the New Testament. You've lost that argument.

 

[Runningman]

haha. We are just talking about Matth 28:19-20 of the Trinity and you have forgotten that in a matter of moments. No wonder you cannot comprehend the Triune God of scripture. You first have to realize the pre-existence Jesus spoke of himself and of John 1:18. Sure this does not help you but it does warn people who might neglect the testimony of scriptures if just hearing from you.

If you had a verse that said God is three persons you would be pasting it everywhere and there is a good chance it wouldn't have even been a debate in the first place.

Now, I have a verses that explicitly state God is one person. Let me introduce you to John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, and Ephesians 4:6. That's are the mountains Scripture has put in your way.

 

[Runningman]

First, from question answer on 1 and 2 there is no separate and distinct persons called Father so, and Holy Ghost. it's only "ONE PERSON" who holds all three .... "TITLES". titles are not persons, ok, but persons hold titles.

We agree on this, partially. I do agree Holy Spirit is another name for the Father. I know the Father is the only true God and I know God is a Spirit; the Bible says so. God is holy, God is a Spirit, the Father is the only God, therefore the Father is the Holy Spirit.

Isn't it true that the Father is Holy and Spirit? Then calling God Holy Spirit is an acceptable name for the Father. So there aren't two Holy Spirits, but one. As for Jesus, he is a man, amen? Filled with all of the fullness of the Spirit of God just like others people can be too, right?

 

[mikesw]

No one baptized following that way in the New Testament. You've lost that argument.

I'm not sure why you so happily deny Jesus' words. I hope you are not trying to fulfill prophecy.