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No sense of humor?

Heres my sense of humor .
ZAP zap in the rumps of the lambs , ON THOSE FEET friends
THE devil and his men take no time off infiltrating and taking over entire churches and house .
SO WE TAKE NO TIME either . Cattle prong time in the rumps of my fellow sheeps .
ON those feet and brings lots of biblical reminders .

 

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On those feet and to the trenches .
Stay in prayer and in the holy words of truth in that bible .
The SPIRIT is willing but the flesh is weak .
BE In prayer and be staying stirred up with all reminders of biblical truth .
PRAY that ye enter not into temptation . STAY DILIGENT and be vigilent in the things OF ALMIGHTY GOD and of the LAMB .

 

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now the last chance for you to understand this "ECHAD" of "EQUAL SHARE" ... Listen, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and

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The meaning of the word Echad - One

David writes, "The key for both Jews and Christians to learn the correct concept of our God is the word echad. Echad is the Hebrew word for one, but more precisely it means a single entity but made up of more than one part. There is another Hebrew word from the same root - Yachid which means...

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The meaning of the word Echad – One​

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David Silver
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Dec 7, 2016

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear O Israel, YHVH our God is ONE (Echad)

The relationship of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit has been a point of discussion for almost 2000 years.

In Malachi 3:6 we read that YHVH does not change. Therefore the key to understanding the relationship of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit can be found in the above verse Deuteronomy 6:4.

To employ that key we must look at the original language of the text where YHVH is describes as One. The verse is the basis of the Shema which is the fundamental statement of faith for the Jewish people. Most non Messianic Jews have a big problem with the Christian concept of a triune God.

The key for both Jews and Christians to learn the correct concept of our God is the word echad. Echad is the Hebrew word for one, but more precisely it means a single entity but made up of more than one part.

There is another Hebrew word from the same root – Yachid which means single. The meaning of Echad (more than one part) is a confirmation of the Hebrew word Elohim which is translated as God. Elohim is a plural word – more than one being called God

There is one more clear proof of the truine nature of the God of Israel.

Isaiah 48:16 And now YHVH and His Ruach (Spirit) have sent Me (an eternal person speaking in verse 12 and 16 – Yeshua)

Three entities can be clearly seen in that verse. The nature of God is a mystery, but we can clearly see that although God is Echad, He is much more than that –

He is Echad and He is Elohim – Hallelu YAH
The LORD bless you and keep you as you seek Biblical truth and incorporate it into your spiritual life.

And before you start pulling this apart..... read

Trinity: Oneness in unity not in number: Yachid vs. Echad

Trinity: Oneness in unity not in number: Yachid vs. Echad

"Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4

	Yachid vs. Echad: The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: "Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!" There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has one exclusive meaning: the numeric, solitary oneness of God ("yachid" or "bad").
Instead the Holy Spirit chose to use the Hebrew word, "echad" which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 "the two shall become one [echad] flesh" it is the same word for "one" that was used in Deut 6:4.
This is most troubling for Jews and Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God.

Introduction:

1. Christians, being the excellent scholars of ancient Biblical Hebrew openly admit that Echad is used many times in the Old Testament to mean one and one alone: "Two are better than one [Echad] because they have a good return for their labor. For if either of them falls, the one [Echad] will lift up his companion. But woe to the one [Echad] who falls when there is not another to lift him up. Furthermore, if two lie down together they keep warm, but how can one [Echad] be warm alone? And if one [Echad] can overpower him who is alone, two can resist him. A cord of three strands is not quickly torn apart." (Ecclesiastes 4:9–12)
   
   1. The argument that not that ECHAD is Deut 6:4. The argument is that this word has two meanings: unified and singular one.
   2. The argument is that the word YACHID, which always means one and ONE ALONE (not a unified one) is NEVER used of God ANYWHERE in the Old Testament.
   3. The Hebrew word "HEN" means one and only one and is used of God: "“Now, O Lord our God, deliver us from his hand that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that You alone [HEN], Lord, are God.”" (Isaiah 37:20) But never in the Torah.
   4. This fact indeed deeply troubles Jews today.
   1. The etymology of the Hebrew word yachid (one) is derived from echad in the same way that the English word "only" is derived from the word "one". That yachid is from the same root family of words as echad is seen from the similarity of spelling. So "yachid" is to "only", what "echad" is to "one".
   2. About the only fact that all on both sides of the debate agree on, is that yachid indisputably means an absolute numeric one and is never used to describe God. Jews and Anti-Trinitarians would naturally expect such a word to be commonly used of God. Having said this, when we cross over to the Greek, in parallel passages that use "yachid", we find a correspondence with the Greek word "mono". We do find "mono" used of God in the New Testament describing his oneness. So while yachid is never used of God's oneness in the Old Testament, the corresponding word "mono" is used of God's oneness in the New Testament. But this is exactly what Trinitarians would expect to be the case because there are three persons in the one God.
   3. Hebrew is a very simple language, but Greek is quite complex and specific. Some Trinitarians overemphasize the clear differences between "yachid and echad" in the Hebrew. Yes, "echad" is a unified one, but it is also used of a numeric one as well. Yes, "yachid" is never used in reference to God's oneness, but the word "bad" is used and it is synonymous with numeric oneness to yachid. When we cross over to the Greek, we find a similar blur in the words used of God that mean unified versus numeric oneness. If the Holy Spirit intended to convey Trinity hidden in the Old Testament in the words "yachid and echad", we would expect such a distinction to be even more pronounced in the Greek, since it is a more specific language than Hebrew. But we find exactly the same in the New Testament as we do in the old, namely a combination of words meaning unified versus numeric oneness being employed to describe God's oneness.

ECHAD​	UNIFIED ONE​	HEN
Gen 2:24​	two become one Man + Woman​	Matt 19:5
Deut 6:4​	God is one Father + Son + Spirit​	Mk 12:29
​	ONE​

A. Jews, after the rise of Christianity, were compelled to change the Hebrew word for "one" from echad to yachid:

1. For any Jew to use "Yachid" to refer to the oneness of God is UNBIBLICAL because the Holy Spirit never willed that any scripture in the Bible uses the word YACHID in reference to God.
2. It is claimed by Jews who attack Christian theology that the use of the word ECHAD in Deut 6:4 causes them no problem since the word ECHAD is used in other places in the Old Testament to refer to a clearly single person. But this ignores the powerful argument made by Christians, namely that the word YACHID, which always means one and only one, is never used of God.
3. If the use of "echad" instead of "yachid" in Deut 6:4 gave no help to the early Christians in proving to the Jews that Yahweh of the Old Testament was the multi-personal God of the Christians (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) then Jews would not have felt compelled replace the word in their dogmas and statements of faith. If it is really that insignificant, then they would have told us the argument Christians were using to prove trinity is invalid to native Hebrews who know and speak the language.
   1. Translation 1: "I believe with a perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His name, is an absolute one [yachid]".
   2. Translation 2: “I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be his name is one and there is no unity like his in any way. He alone is our G-d- He was, he is, and he will be.”
4. It must be most troubling for Jews that their word of choice (yachid) to describe God's oneness is never actually used in the Bible. They should give up their 2000 year old rebellion against Christianity, be more truthful and not engage in a deliberate action of misrepresenting what the Bible says. Then they could use Bible words to describe the one true God and creep closer to becoming Christians!

B. Five different words for "one" in the Bible:

Word​	Definition/texts​	usage​
Echad OT​	unified one: Gen. 2:24; Deut. 6:4 absolute numeric one: Ezekiel 33:24	Used of God's oneness
Yachid OT​	Always absolute numeric one: Judges 11:34	Never used of God's oneness
Bad OT​	Absolute numeric one: Isaiah 37:20	Used of God's oneness
Hen NT​	Unified one: John 10:30; Matthew 19:5; Mk 12:29 absolute numeric one: Galatians 3:20	Used of God's oneness
Monos NT​	absolute numeric one: Matthew 24:36; 1 Timothy 1:17	Used of God's oneness

C. "Echad", denoting a unified one in the OT is translated only "hen" in the NT:
Here are a number of Old Testament passages that are either directly quoted in the New Testament, or contain parallel thoughts.

Unified one​	Echad Old Testament​	Hen New Testament​
Two shall become one flesh	Gen 2:24	Mt 19:5
God is one	Deut 6:4	Mk 12:29,32; Jn 10:30; 1 Cor 8:4; Eph 4:6
one people	Gen 11:6; 34:16, 22	John 11:52; Gal 3:28
one heart	2 Chron 30:12; Jer 32:39	Acts 4:32; Phil 1:27; 2:2
Two objects becoming one	sticks: Ezek. 37:17	flocks: Jn 10:16
assembly as one	Ezra. 2:64	Romans 12:5, 15:6; 1 Cor 12:5,12

TOO BE CONTINUED

 

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D. "Echad", denoting an absolute and numeric oneness in the OT is translated both "hen" and "monos" in the NT:
Echad is used to designate a single individual or thing, numerical oneness. In these texts we consider Echad to be synonymous with yachid. Yet we find the parallel passages of thought in the New Testament are translated from two different Greek words: "hen" and "monos". Like "echad", "hen" is used in two different ways: unified one and numeric one. "Monos", however, always means a numeric one. This means we do not find a consistent pattern between the Hebrew and Greek languages.

Numerically one and only​	Echad Old Testament​	Hen & Monos New Testament​
12 gates of Jerusalem	Ezekiel 48:31-34 [echad]	Revelation 21:21 [hen]
There is yet one prophet	1 Kings 22:8: Micaiah [echad]	Elijah: Romans 11:2 [monos]
One man alone	Ezekiel: 33:24: Abraham [echad]	2 Timothy 4:11 Luke [monos]
One of the angels	Michael: Daniel 10:13 [echad]	Revelation 17:1 Angel [hen]
Numbering individuals in sequence	Joshua 12:9-24 31 Canaanite kings [echad]	Mark 14:19 the disciples [hen]

E. "Yachid": solitary one and only, numerically one

1. "He said, "Take now your son, your only [yachid] son, whom you love, Isaac, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I will tell you." " Genesis 22:2
2. "He said, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only [yachid] son, from Me." " Genesis 22:12
3. "and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares Yahweh, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your only [yachid] son, " Genesis 22:16
4. "Now she was Jephthah's one and only [yachid] child; besides her he had no son or daughter." Judges 11:34
5. "When I was a son to my father, Tender and the only son [yachid] in the sight of my mother, " Proverbs 4:3
6. "Mourn as for an only son [yachid]" Jeremiah 6:26
7. "And I will make it like a time of mourning for an only son [yachid]" Amos 8:10
8. "they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son [yachid]" Zechariah 12:10

F. "Bad" corresponds to "Yachid" and "monos"

1. "You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15
2. "You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6
3. "You alone [bad], Yahweh, are God." Isaiah 37:20

G. "Mono": solitary one and only, numerically one, directly corresponds to yachid in the New Testament:

1. You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only [mono]. Matthew 4:10
2. ""But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone [mono]." Matthew 24:36
3. Who can forgive sins, but God alone [mono]?" Luke 5:21
4. "My judgment is true; for I am not alone [mono] in it, but I and the Father who sent Me." John 8:16
5. "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only [mono] true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3
6. "to the only [mono] wise God, through Jesus Christ" Romans 16:27
7. "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only [mono] God" 1 Timothy 1:17
8. "who alone [mono] possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light" 1 Timothy 6:16
9. "deny our only [mono] Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. " Jude 4
10. to the only God [mono] our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord Jude 25

H. "Monogenes" also corresponds to "yachid" only begotten:

1. Jesus raised an only begotten [monogenes] son: Luke 7:12
2. Jesus raised an only begotten [monogenes] daughter: Luke 8:42
3. Jesus cast out a demon from an only begotten [monogenes] son: Luke 9:38
4. Isaac was the only begotten [monogenes] of Abraham: Hebrews 11:17
5. Jesus was the only begotten [monogenes] of God: John 1:14; 18; 3:16,18; 1 John 4:9

​	Yachid Old Testament​	Monogenes New Testament​
Isaac the only begotten	Genesis 22:2	Hebrews 11:17
Jesus the only begotten	Zechariah 12:10	John 1:14; 18; 3:16,18; 1 John 4:9
Only begotten children of men	Judges 11:34	Luke 7:12; 8:42

I. God is one: Echad, bad, hen, monos

1. "Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4
2. "You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15
3. "You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6
4. "You alone [bad], Yahweh, are God." Isaiah 37:20
5. "And Yahweh will be king over all the earth; in that day Yahweh will be the only one [echad], and His name the only one[echad]." Zechariah 14:9
6. "the two shall become one [hen] flesh" Matthew 19:5
7. "you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only [monos] God?" John 5:44
8. "I and the Father are one [hen]." John 10:30
9. "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only [monos] true God" John 17:3
10. "since indeed God is one [hen]" Romans 3:30
11. "to the only [monos] wise God, Amen." Romans 16:27
12. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one [hen] in Christ Jesus. " Galatians 3:28
13. "there is no God but one [hen]" 1 Corinthians 8:4
14. "yet for us there is but one [hen] God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one [hen] Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." 1 Corinthians 8:6
15. "Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one [hen]." Galatians 3:20
16. "There is one [hen] body and one [hen] Spirit, one [hen] hope, one [hen] Lord, one [hen] faith, one [hen] baptism, one [hen] God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all." Ephesians 4:4-6
17. "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only [monos] God" 1 Timothy 1:17
18. "which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only [monos] Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone [monos] possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen." 1 Timothy 6:16
19. "For there is one [hen] God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Timothy 2:5
20. "You believe that God is one [hen]. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19
21. "For certain persons deny our only [monos] Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." Jude 4
22. "the only [monos] God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." Jude 25

Conclusion:

1. When speaking of God's oneness, what we see is a mix of words, both in the Hebrew and the Greek. There does not appear to be a clear pattern of usage: In the Old Testament, "echad" is used both as a unified one and numeric oneness and "bad" is also used which means a numeric oneness. Similarly, in the New Testament, "hen" is used both as a unified one and numeric oneness and "monos" is also used which means a numeric oneness.
2. These facts delight Trinitarians and send Anti-Trinitarians and Unitarians alike scurrying for the shadows. While Trinitarians would expect both kinds of words to be used in reference to God, Anti-Trinitarian are left with their mouths hanging open in bewilderment. To make matters even worse, the word "monos" is not only used of God's oneness (John 5:44; 17:3), but also Jesus is said to be the "monos Master", "monos Lord" and "monos Sovereign" (1 Timothy 6:16; Jude 4). This proves that Jn 17:3 no more excludes Jesus from being "true God" than 1 Timothy 6:16 and Jude 4 exclude the Father from being Master, Lord and Sovereign. (The official interpretation of 1 Timothy 6:16 the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower is that 1 Timothy 6:16 is speaking solely of Christ.) Click here for a detailed look at this powerful argument in John 17:3.
3. Anti-Trinitarians who reject the fact that "echad" means a unified one between individuals, should always remember that shortly after the rise of Christianity, the Jews replaced "echad" with "yachid" in Deut 6:4. Obviously these Jews who knew the Hebrew language 2000 years ago, saw something modern Unitarians do not.
4. So in the end it is a win-win for Trinitarians! It is most devastating to Jews and Anti-Trinitarians that Deut 6:4 uses "echad", the word for a unified one between individuals. The same word echad is used to say that God is one and that husband and wife are one. This laid the ground work for the Trinity to be revealed in Christ and his apostles who could look back to the most important Jewish Bible verse and show them Jesus was there too! Instead of converting to Christianity, the Jews twisted the word of God and started telling lies about the resurrection of Jesus.
5. Zechariah prophesied that at the time of the Messiah all will know that God is one: "And the Lord will be king over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only one [echad], and His name the only one [echad]." (Zechariah 14:9)
   
   1. Again the unified word for one is used!
   2. If ever there was a place YACHID would have been used, this would have been it, but no, the unified one was used.
6. Today Jews live under a veil of darkness unable to come to the truth:
   
   1. "But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away." (2 Corinthians 3:14–16)

 

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The question is HOW did GOD create . HE SPOKE .
HIS WORDS CAME FORTH OF HIM and IN THEM IS LIFE as GOD IS LIFE .
THE WORD OF GOD IS HIS OWN ESSENCE . TO THE LORD BE ALL THE GLORY
and to the LORD be all the praise . Mull over that for a bit my dear friend .
GOD created all things BY HIS WORD , BY JESUS CHRIST
and HE SPOKE .
first it was LET THERE BE LIGHT as THERE WAS LIGHT . but only LIGHT was created .
HE spoke again and THERE was .
OH , JESUS was NOT CREATED . no sir and no mams either .
WHEN GOD SPEAKS LIFE COMETH FORTH OF HIM , HIS WORD IS LIFE , HIS WORD IS TRUTH
AS HE IS LIFE , AS HE IS TRUTH . same essence my friend .
It was not written that before GOD created
SUDDENLY HE SPOKE HIS OWN WORD INTO Existance .
NO . HE SPEAKS and HIS WORD IS LIFE . that is the beauty of it .
And the SPIRIT OF CHRIST , IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD . one comforter , SAME SPIRIT .
aint that lovely .
SO WHEN JESUS SAYS I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA , BELIEVE ME HE IS ALPHA and OMEGA
first and the last . HIS NAME , THE WORD OF GOD . Now to the trenches and to the trenches one and all .

Not the question but I have moved on.

 

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If one believes not JESUS IS THE CHRIST
then , well THEY HAVE NO FAITH IN GOD .
Would you agree . simple answer my friend . here check yes or no .
DO you beleive what i just wrote . IF one beleives NOT JESUS is THE CHRIST
they have NO FAITH and have DENIED GOD ALL MIGHTY HIMSELF .
Would you agree . yes . or no . THEN explain why its yes or no . but lets here a yes or no .

101G believes what God wrote. 1 John 3:23 "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment."

belief mixed with FAITH. Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

101G trust God

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D. "Echad", denoting an absolute and numeric oneness in the OT is translated both "hen" and "monos" in the NT:
Echad is used to designate a single individual or thing, numerical oneness. In these texts we consider Echad to be synonymous with yachid. Yet we find the parallel passages of thought in the New Testament are translated from two different Greek words: "hen" and "monos". Like "echad", "hen" is used in two different ways: unified one and numeric one. "Monos", however, always means a numeric one. This means we do not find a consistent pattern between the Hebrew and Greek languages.

Numerically one and only​	Echad Old Testament​	Hen & Monos New Testament​
12 gates of Jerusalem	Ezekiel 48:31-34 [echad]	Revelation 21:21 [hen]
There is yet one prophet	1 Kings 22:8: Micaiah [echad]	Elijah: Romans 11:2 [monos]
One man alone	Ezekiel: 33:24: Abraham [echad]	2 Timothy 4:11 Luke [monos]
One of the angels	Michael: Daniel 10:13 [echad]	Revelation 17:1 Angel [hen]
Numbering individuals in sequence	Joshua 12:9-24 31 Canaanite kings [echad]	Mark 14:19 the disciples [hen]

E. "Yachid": solitary one and only, numerically one

1. "He said, "Take now your son, your only [yachid] son, whom you love, Isaac, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I will tell you." " Genesis 22:2
2. "He said, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only [yachid] son, from Me." " Genesis 22:12
3. "and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares Yahweh, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your only [yachid] son, " Genesis 22:16
4. "Now she was Jephthah's one and only [yachid] child; besides her he had no son or daughter." Judges 11:34
5. "When I was a son to my father, Tender and the only son [yachid] in the sight of my mother, " Proverbs 4:3
6. "Mourn as for an only son [yachid]" Jeremiah 6:26
7. "And I will make it like a time of mourning for an only son [yachid]" Amos 8:10
8. "they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son [yachid]" Zechariah 12:10

F. "Bad" corresponds to "Yachid" and "monos"

1. "You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15
2. "You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6
3. "You alone [bad], Yahweh, are God." Isaiah 37:20

G. "Mono": solitary one and only, numerically one, directly corresponds to yachid in the New Testament:

1. You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only [mono]. Matthew 4:10
2. ""But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone [mono]." Matthew 24:36
3. Who can forgive sins, but God alone [mono]?" Luke 5:21
4. "My judgment is true; for I am not alone [mono] in it, but I and the Father who sent Me." John 8:16
5. "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only [mono] true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3
6. "to the only [mono] wise God, through Jesus Christ" Romans 16:27
7. "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only [mono] God" 1 Timothy 1:17
8. "who alone [mono] possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light" 1 Timothy 6:16
9. "deny our only [mono] Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. " Jude 4
10. to the only God [mono] our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord Jude 25

H. "Monogenes" also corresponds to "yachid" only begotten:

1. Jesus raised an only begotten [monogenes] son: Luke 7:12
2. Jesus raised an only begotten [monogenes] daughter: Luke 8:42
3. Jesus cast out a demon from an only begotten [monogenes] son: Luke 9:38
4. Isaac was the only begotten [monogenes] of Abraham: Hebrews 11:17
5. Jesus was the only begotten [monogenes] of God: John 1:14; 18; 3:16,18; 1 John 4:9

​	Yachid Old Testament​	Monogenes New Testament​
Isaac the only begotten	Genesis 22:2	Hebrews 11:17
Jesus the only begotten	Zechariah 12:10	John 1:14; 18; 3:16,18; 1 John 4:9
Only begotten children of men	Judges 11:34	Luke 7:12; 8:42

I. God is one: Echad, bad, hen, monos

1. "Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4
2. "You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15
3. "You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6
4. "You alone [bad], Yahweh, are God." Isaiah 37:20
5. "And Yahweh will be king over all the earth; in that day Yahweh will be the only one [echad], and His name the only one[echad]." Zechariah 14:9
6. "the two shall become one [hen] flesh" Matthew 19:5
7. "you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only [monos] God?" John 5:44
8. "I and the Father are one [hen]." John 10:30
9. "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only [monos] true God" John 17:3
10. "since indeed God is one [hen]" Romans 3:30
11. "to the only [monos] wise God, Amen." Romans 16:27
12. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one [hen] in Christ Jesus. " Galatians 3:28
13. "there is no God but one [hen]" 1 Corinthians 8:4
14. "yet for us there is but one [hen] God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one [hen] Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." 1 Corinthians 8:6
15. "Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one [hen]." Galatians 3:20
16. "There is one [hen] body and one [hen] Spirit, one [hen] hope, one [hen] Lord, one [hen] faith, one [hen] baptism, one [hen] God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all." Ephesians 4:4-6
17. "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only [monos] God" 1 Timothy 1:17
18. "which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only [monos] Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone [monos] possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen." 1 Timothy 6:16
19. "For there is one [hen] God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Timothy 2:5
20. "You believe that God is one [hen]. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19
21. "For certain persons deny our only [monos] Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." Jude 4
22. "the only [monos] God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." Jude 25

Conclusion:

1. When speaking of God's oneness, what we see is a mix of words, both in the Hebrew and the Greek. There does not appear to be a clear pattern of usage: In the Old Testament, "echad" is used both as a unified one and numeric oneness and "bad" is also used which means a numeric oneness. Similarly, in the New Testament, "hen" is used both as a unified one and numeric oneness and "monos" is also used which means a numeric oneness.
2. These facts delight Trinitarians and send Anti-Trinitarians and Unitarians alike scurrying for the shadows. While Trinitarians would expect both kinds of words to be used in reference to God, Anti-Trinitarian are left with their mouths hanging open in bewilderment. To make matters even worse, the word "monos" is not only used of God's oneness (John 5:44; 17:3), but also Jesus is said to be the "monos Master", "monos Lord" and "monos Sovereign" (1 Timothy 6:16; Jude 4). This proves that Jn 17:3 no more excludes Jesus from being "true God" than 1 Timothy 6:16 and Jude 4 exclude the Father from being Master, Lord and Sovereign. (The official interpretation of 1 Timothy 6:16 the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower is that 1 Timothy 6:16 is speaking solely of Christ.) Click here for a detailed look at this powerful argument in John 17:3.
3. Anti-Trinitarians who reject the fact that "echad" means a unified one between individuals, should always remember that shortly after the rise of Christianity, the Jews replaced "echad" with "yachid" in Deut 6:4. Obviously these Jews who knew the Hebrew language 2000 years ago, saw something modern Unitarians do not.
4. So in the end it is a win-win for Trinitarians! It is most devastating to Jews and Anti-Trinitarians that Deut 6:4 uses "echad", the word for a unified one between individuals. The same word echad is used to say that God is one and that husband and wife are one. This laid the ground work for the Trinity to be revealed in Christ and his apostles who could look back to the most important Jewish Bible verse and show them Jesus was there too! Instead of converting to Christianity, the Jews twisted the word of God and started telling lies about the resurrection of Jesus.
   1. Again the unified word for one is used!
   2. If ever there was a place YACHID would have been used, this would have been it, but no, the unified one was used.

nonsense, LISTEN and learn,
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

NOTE DEFINITION #2. THAT HOLDS THE TRUTH TO GOD'S ONENESS ... (smile)... YIKES!.

101G.

 

[MTMattie]

nonsense, LISTEN and learn,
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

NOTE DEFINITION #2. THAT HOLDS THE TRUTH TO GOD'S ONENESS ... (smile)... YIKES!.

101G.

Whatever.

 

[101G]

@101G
These are what I understand and they do not sound like you. Color changes are mine for emphasis.

The meaning of the word Echad - One

David writes, "The key for both Jews and Christians to learn the correct concept of our God is the word echad. Echad is the Hebrew word for one, but more precisely it means a single entity but made up of more than one part. There is another Hebrew word from the same root - Yachid which means...

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(smile).. Oh boy, God is not a "PART" of himself. my God, ..... God is not DIVIDED". how hard is it?

Whatever.

Whatever? that's not a proper response. nor is it intelligent. a EQUAL SHARE is not a part. let 101G school you. if God is a separate "part" of himself that is distinct, now you have two God which is by definition, polytheism.

Mat, Mat, the ARM of God is GOD..... himself, "mine own arm" (per Isaiah 63:5). listen and learn by example. when Sennacherib king of Assyria came against Judah, he brought his "ARM" of flesh..... his "POWER", meaning his army. Hezekiah king of Judah spoke unto his people, Listen, 2 Chronicles 32:7 "Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him:" 2 Chronicles 32:8 "With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah."

the ECHAD of God, the EQUAL SHARE in flesh, God himself, this is the POWER of God in FLESH, the Lord Jesus, an ARMY of "ONE". the ...... "ARM of GOD" ..... in flesh.

Oh this is too easy. look mat. this may not be for you until you come into the knowledge of TRUTH here. ... ok, no put down, but you cannot understand the truth of the "ECHAD" of God....see ya. be blessed.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

(smile).. Oh boy, God is not a "PART" of himself. my God, ..... God is not DIVIDED". how hard is it?

Whatever? that's not a proper response. nor is it intelligent. a EQUAL SHARE is not a part. let 101G school you. if God is a separate "part" of himself that is distinct, now you have two God which is by definition, polytheism.

Mat, Mat, the ARM of God is GOD..... himself, "mine own arm" (per Isaiah 63:5). listen and learn by example. when Sennacherib king of Assyria came against Judah, he brought his "ARM" of flesh..... his "POWER", meaning his army. Hezekiah king of Judah spoke unto his people, Listen, 2 Chronicles 32:7 "Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him:" 2 Chronicles 32:8 "With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah."

the ECHAD of God, the EQUAL SHARE in flesh, God himself, this is the POWER of God in FLESH, the Lord Jesus, an ARMY of "ONE". the ...... "ARM of GOD" ..... in flesh.

Oh this is too easy. look mat. this may not be for you until you come into the knowledge of TRUTH here. ... ok, no put down, but you cannot understand the truth of the "ECHAD" of God....see ya. be blessed.

101G.

Error... listen and learn. Jesus is not God. He is not part of God. He's not a smaller God. There's no Oneness and there's no Trinity.

 

[Peterlag]

Let's talk about the Pronouns...​

The pronouns in the Bible that refer to “God” are singular and there are lots of them. “The Hebrew Bible and the New Testament contain well over twenty thousand pronouns and verbs describing the One God” (Anthony Buzzard and Charles Hunting, The Doctrine of the Trinity: Christianity’s Self-inflicted Wound, International Scholars Publications, New York, 1998, p. 17). Singular pronouns include “I” “my” and “he.” We would expect it to say “For God so loved the world that they gave the Father’s only begotten Son….” if “God” were composed of three co-equal beings who each had their own mind and together agreed to send Christ. The fact that the pronouns in the Bible refer to “God” as a singular being is also evidence that there is no Trinity.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Not the question but I have moved on.

To the trenches mattie . A deadly delusion is all over a lot of christendom now .
And we must have no part or lott in it . I remind us this
cause its the number one thing i see people beginning to really agree upon . But it is A LIE .
It calls JESUS a liar . As it called even GOD a liar in the garden .
GOD said they would die , it said they would not .
JESUS said they who beleived not would be damned , IT says no they wont just get on the big ol love train .
ITS a liar my dear friend . Always remember , IF JESUS said it , ITS TRUTH and thus
its not up for negotiation . NOW to the trenches one and to the trenches all
And let all that draws breath praise n thank the LORD .

 

[101G]

Error... listen and learn. Jesus is not God. He is not part of God. He's not a smaller God. There's no Oneness and there's no Trinity.

why tell 101G theses things. Jesus is /god, and the rest of your reply is pure nonesense. pete 101G have caught you in so many errors ubtill it's a shame. you say you don't want to address Revelation. then 101G gives you a new testement question and you cannot answer that. as well as any OT question concering the Lord Jesus deity.

but last time...

Question is the Person in John 1:1-3 is the SAME "ONE" PERSON in Isaiah 44:24 Who "MADE ALL THINGS?" yes or no.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;



or pete, "Who was it that choose Paul, then Saul as his minister on the road to Damascus?" was it the one whom you call God, or the Lord JESUS whom you say is not God?

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:


Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.



your choice on any of the questions above. now your answer pete. ......... please..... (smile) YIKES!

101G.

 

[Marvelloustime]

The question is HOW did GOD create . HE SPOKE .
HIS WORDS CAME FORTH OF HIM and IN THEM IS LIFE as GOD IS LIFE .
THE WORD OF GOD IS HIS OWN ESSENCE . TO THE LORD BE ALL THE GLORY
and to the LORD be all the praise . Mull over that for a bit my dear friend .
GOD created all things BY HIS WORD , BY JESUS CHRIST
and HE SPOKE .
first it was LET THERE BE LIGHT as THERE WAS LIGHT . but only LIGHT was created .
HE spoke again and THERE was .
OH , JESUS was NOT CREATED . no sir and no mams either .
WHEN GOD SPEAKS LIFE COMETH FORTH OF HIM , HIS WORD IS LIFE , HIS WORD IS TRUTH
AS HE IS LIFE , AS HE IS TRUTH . same essence my friend .
It was not written that before GOD created
SUDDENLY HE SPOKE HIS OWN WORD INTO Existance .
NO . HE SPEAKS and HIS WORD IS LIFE . that is the beauty of it .
And the SPIRIT OF CHRIST , IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD . one comforter , SAME SPIRIT .
aint that lovely .
SO WHEN JESUS SAYS I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA , BELIEVE ME HE IS ALPHA and OMEGA
first and the last . HIS NAME , THE WORD OF GOD . Now to the trenches and to the trenches one and all .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[Peterlag]

why tell 101G theses things. Jesus is /god, and the rest of your reply is pure nonesense. pete 101G have caught you in so many errors ubtill it's a shame. you say you don't want to address Revelation. then 101G gives you a new testement question and you cannot answer that. as well as any OT question concering the Lord Jesus deity.

but last time...

Question is the Person in John 1:1-3 is the SAME "ONE" PERSON in Isaiah 44:24 Who "MADE ALL THINGS?" yes or no.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;



or pete, "Who was it that choose Paul, then Saul as his minister on the road to Damascus?" was it the one whom you call God, or the Lord JESUS whom you say is not God?

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:


Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.



your choice on any of the questions above. now your answer pete. ......... please..... (smile) YIKES!

101G.

John 1:3
“Everything came to be through it.” The logos is an “it” not a “him.”

Translators have deliberately chosen to use “him” because they wanted to emphasize that the Word was the male person we know as Jesus. This was a theological choice, not a linguistic one.

 

[dwight92070]

1 Peter 3:11 " ... so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen."

So the glory and dominion must pass through Jesus Christ so that God may be glorified forever and ever. Amen.

So the glory and dominion forever and forever belongs to Jesus Christ just as much as to God Himself. There's only 2 ways that can be true. One is that Jesus is an idol, who is stealing what rightfully belongs to God. And two - Jesus is God. I take the 2nd option.

 

[Peterlag]

1 Peter 3:11 " ... so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen."

So the glory and dominion must pass through Jesus Christ so that God may be glorified forever and ever. Amen.

So the glory and dominion forever and forever belongs to Jesus Christ just as much as to God Himself. There's only 2 ways that can be true. One is that Jesus is an idol, who is stealing what rightfully belongs to God. And two - Jesus is God. I take the 2nd option.

Where dose this idea come from that these must be the only 2 ways? Why can't it simply be that God set this up to have it function through His Son?

 

[dwight92070]

Simple. Because the 2nd half - "to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen." is a reference to Jesus Christ - not to God in the 1st half.

Therefore Jesus receives the same glory and dominion that God does.

There are many verses that confirm this. Daniel 7:14 is one. Revelation 5:13-14 is another. John 17:5 is one more. John 5:23. John 8:58 and on and on.

And of course God does not give His glory to anyone. Isaiah 42:8 "I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, nor My praise to graven images."

 

[Peterlag]

Simple. Because the 2nd half - "to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen." is a reference to Jesus Christ - not to God in the 1st half.

Therefore Jesus receives the same glory and dominion that God does.

There are many verses that confirm this. Daniel 7:14 is one. Revelation 5:13-14 is another. John 17:5 is one more. John 5:23. John 8:58 and on and on.

And of course God does not give His glory to anyone. Isaiah 42:8 "I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, nor My praise to graven images."

Let's take the first one... Daniel 7:14

Daniel’s vision concerning the Messiah is referring to God giving rulership of the earth to His Son.

“all the peoples…will serve him.” Jesus’ future kingdom on earth.