Aeliana
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Are they really that difficult? Well yes and no. Largely it depends on the question it's self as it maybe a trick question designed to set a trap.
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All Claims of The Son's Deity
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Peterlag
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What seems to be happening on this site is that I will answer the same question 20 or 30 times or more only to hear them ignore what I said and say I did not answer.Are they really that difficult? Well yes and no. Largely it depends on the question it's self as it maybe a trick question designed to set a trap.
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@Aelina,
he does sort of answer things but he overlooks details even, for example, when he shows the desire to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit per Matt 28:19 to return to the triune formula. But he just emphasizes the use of the name of Jesus in Acts. So he follows the evidence he likes and glosses over the rest of scripture.
Really?
Genesis 1:26 (LEB) — 26 And God said, “Let us make humankind in our image and according to our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of heaven, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every moving thing that moves upon the earth.”
Isaiah 48:12–16 (LEB) — 12 “Listen to me, Jacob, and Israel, whom I called: I am he. I am the first; also I am the last. 13 Indeed, my hand founded the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they stand in position together. 14 Assemble, all of you, and hear! Who among them declared these things? Yahweh loves him; he shall perform his wish against Babylon and his arm against the Chaldeans. 15 I, I myself, I have spoken! Indeed, I have called him. I have brought him, and he will be successful in his way. 16 Draw near to me; hear this! I have not spoken in secrecy from the beginning; from the time it came to be, there I have been; And now the Lord Yahweh has sent me and his Spirit.”
Also BTW trinitarianss affirm it was Yahweh alone who created
The Father is Yahweh
The Son is Yahweh
The spirit is Yahweh
Yahweh even speaks of a being in whom is his name
Exodus 23:20–21 (LEB) — 20 “ ‘Look, I am about to send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. 21 Be attentive to him and listen to his voice; do not rebel against him, because he will not forgive your transgression, for my name is in him.
angel - messenger has the name of Yahweh and he can forgive or nort forgive sin
and here we have
Zechariah 2:6–10 (LEB) — 6 “Woe! Woe! Flee from the land of the north,” declares Yahweh, “for I have scattered you like the four winds of the heavens,” declares Yahweh. 7 “Woe, Zion! Escape, you inhabitants of the daughter of Babylon!” 8 For thus said Yahweh of hosts, after glory he sent me against the nations plundering you: Truly, the one touching you is touching the apple of his eye. 9 “Yes, look! I am going to wave my hand against them, and they will become plunder for their servants, and you will know that Yahweh of hosts has sent me. 10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion, for look, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst,” declares Yahweh.
He is sent by the yahweh of hosts
Echad notes the reality is a compound unity
Revelation 1:17–18 (NASB95) — 17 When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, 18 and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
Is an obvious reference to Christ
Isaiah 41:4 (LEB) — 4 Who has accomplished and done this, calling the generations from the beginning? I, Yahweh, am first; and I am the one with the last.
Not enough information
Both Christ and the Father have been called the first and the last
But we also see simultaneous distinctions
Actually it sounds like you are letting your imagination get the best of you, and are speaking nonsense
The only historically established, recognized view which affirms absolute oneness while viewing all three is modalism
Yours is a oddity I had forgotten about.
101G
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now read the very next verse, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." HOW MANY PERSONS IS "HE", and "HIS?". Now, before you answer, listen to the Lord Jesus. Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," HOW MANY PERSON IS "he?" Can the Lord Jesus lie? God forbid... he said "God is a HE", if the Lord Jesus say God is a "HE" THEN WHO IS 101G or TOML to say difference.
yea .... as dr. phil said, "that modalism you came up with, how is it working for you now. READ Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 1:27 in conjunction with Matthews 19:3 & 4.
tell the Lord if he's in ERROR.
101G.
e v e
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all the originals of eden are deity. In God's type of gorgeous nature. Only He is god. Distinguish terms from rcc fetishes.
Currently we are in the fallen dungeon earth of adam and in the flesh animal nature he made as our prison. fallen.
the actual sons and daughters of Him in the other reality are who I speak of, sweet temples of Him.
I do not mean this reality here in these ape
bodies procreating as animals.
Currently we are in the fallen dungeon earth of adam and in the flesh animal nature he made as our prison. fallen.
the actual sons and daughters of Him in the other reality are who I speak of, sweet temples of Him.
I do not mean this reality here in these ape
bodies procreating as animals.
e v e
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mostly corruption by adam. prince of this world .. satan.All Claims of The Son's Deity
In about 45% of the New Testament, 19 witnesses make 50 claims of The Son's Deity in 186 iterations, including 54 iterations by Jesus Himself.
These claims are organized in three ways on separate Pages:
There are far more claims of The Son's deity than I was led to believe by conventional minimalization; but hundreds were not necessary. In God-breathed Scripture, only one of them was necessary to state the truth.
These claims are a more complete portrait of what the apostle John meant when he wrote, "The one who believes in The Son has eternal life. The one who rejects The Son will not see life, but God's wrath remains on him" [John 3:36]. Rejecting The Son's deity is in fact rejecting The Son, which Jesus warns explicitly [John 8:24].
BY CATEGORY
Actions of Yahweh [22]
Answers prayer ⇒ [3x] John 14:13; 14:14; 16:26.
Draws all people to Himself ⇒ [1x] John 12:32.
Eliminates death itself ⇒ [2x] 1 Cor 15:26; 2 Tim 1:10.
Forgives sin ⇒ [1x] Mark 2:5.
Fulfills all things (or: fills the universe) ⇒ [1x] Eph 4:10.
Gives life ⇒ [3x] John 5:21; 21:22; 1 Cor 15:45.
Influences human action (despite no longer being on Earth)
⇒ [7x] 1 Cor 1:8a; 11:32; 16:7; 1 Tim 1:12; 1:16b; 2 Tim 1:12c; Jude 1:24.
Nullified [the power of] The Law ⇒ [1x] Eph 2:15.
Purifies for Himself an elect people (λαός περιούσιος) ⇒ [1x] Titus 2:14.
Resurrects Himself from the dead ⇒ [1x] John 2:19.
Transforms all believers’ bodies into His own likeness ⇒ [1x] Phil 3:21.
Characteristics of Yahweh [30]
Eternal ⇒ [6x] John 1:1a; 1:2; 17:5b; 17:24; 1 John 1:1; 1:2.
Immutable ⇒ [2x] 2 Tim 2:13c; Heb 13:8.
Impassible ⇒ [2x] Phil 2:7a; 2:7b.
Inscrutable ⇒ [2x] Matt 11:27a; John 8:19b.
Sinless ⇒ [2x] John 8:46; 1 John 3:5.
Omniscient (accounting for kenosis and difference in role)
⇒ [4x] John 2:24; 2:25; 16:30a; 21:17.
Otherworldly ⇒ [12x] John 5:34; 6:46; 8:23; 8:42; 13:3; 15:5; 16:28; 16:30c; Rom 8:3;
1 Cor 15:47; Eph 4:9; 1 Tim 1:15.
Conflations, Other [27]
Ascriptions ⇒ [2x]
Luke 1:76 (The Most High); Rom 14:9 (Lord of the Living and the Dead).
Assertions ⇒ [4x]
John 8:12 (I am The Light of the World).
John 11:25 (I am The Ressurection and The Life).
John 14:6 (I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life).
John 16:33 (I have conquered the World).
Born of ⇒ [1x] 1 John 3:1.
Denying Him results in Hell ⇒ [1x] 2 Tim 2:12.
Equal Authority and Ownership to The Father ⇒ [2x] John 16:15; 17:10.
Equal Possessor of God’s glory, which Yahweh shares with no one [« Isa 42:8]
⇒ [1x] John 17:5a.
Knowing The Son equals knowing The Father ⇒ [4x] Matt 11:27b; John 8:19c; 14:7; 14:8.
Knowing equals Eternal Life ⇒ [1x] John 17:3.
One with The Father and/or The Spirit ontologically
⇒ [8x] John 10:30; 10:38; 14:10; 14:11; 14:23; 17:11; 17:21: 17:22.
Seeing The Son equals seeing The Father ⇒ [1x] John 14:9.
Working of The Son equated to working of The Father ⇒ [2x] John 5:17; 5:19.
Devotion due to Yahweh [21]
Devotional Belief in (not mundane belief, confidence, or trust)
⇒ [9x] John 1:7; 1:12; 14:1; Eph 1:13; 1:15; Col 1:4; 1 Tim 1:16c; 2 Tim 1:12b; Phlm 1:5.
of Equal Honor to The Father ⇒ [1x] John 5:23.
Object of the Highest Love, due only to the God of The Shema
⇒ [4x] Matt 10:37; Luke 14:26; 1 Cor 16:22; Eph 6:24.
United to ⇒ [3x] Rom 7:4; 1 Cor 6:17; Eph 5:32.
Worship of ⇒ [4x] Eph 5:19; Rev 5:13; Rev 22:3; 22:5a-b.
Direct Equation [69]
Called "Lord" in the sense of "Yahweh" ⇒ [22x]
Luke 1:16; 1:17; 1:43; 1:68; 1:76; John 20:28b; Acts 9:17; 19:5; 21:13; 21:14;
Rom 10:9; 10:12; 1 Cor 1:2; 1:8b; 8:6c; 12:3; Eph 4:5; Phil 2:11b; 3:20; Jude 1:4; 1:14;
Rev 22:5c
Called "God" ⇒ [17x]
Luke 1:16; 1:68; John 1:1c; 1:18; 20:28c; Rom 9:5; 14:10; 14:12; 1 Cor 5:13; 1 Tim 3:15-16; Titus 1:3; 2:13; Heb 1:8; 2 Pet 1:1; 1 John 5:20; 2 John 1:9; Jude 1:25.
Equal or Identical to God ⇒ [3x] Phil 2:6a; 2:6b; Heb 1:3b.
Monogenic Sonship which denotes the same essence
⇒ [3x] John 3:16; 3:18; 1 John 4:9.
Called The Kabod YHWH / The Glory of God, who is Yahweh
⇒ [2x] Heb 1:3a; Rev 21:23c.
Called the “I AM” or “I Am He,” who is Yahweh
⇒ [3x] John 8:24 (by cataphora); 8:28 (ibid.); 8:58.
Direct OT Citation or Allusion substituting for Yahweh or The Kabod YHWH [19]
John 1:23 (Isa 40:3); John 3:13 (Prov 30:4); Rom 9:32 (Isa 8:13-14; 28:16);
Rom 10:13 (Joel 2:32); Rom 14:11 (Isa 45:23); 1 Cor 1:31 (Jer 9:24[23]);
1 Cor 2:16 (Isa 40:13); 1 Cor 10:4; 1 Cor 10:9; Eph 4:8 (Isa 68:19-21[Eng. 18-20]);
Eph 5:14a-b (Isa 26:19-20); Eph 5:14c (Isa 60:1-2); Phil 2:10-11a (Isa 45:23-24);
2 Tim 2:19 (Num 16:5); 2 Tim 4:14 (Ps 28:4); Jude 1:5b (e.g., Exod 13:9);
Jude 1:5c (Num 1:35); Rev 21:23b (Isa 60:19-20); Rev 22:5a-b (Isa 60:19-20).
Offices of Yahweh [17]
Apportioner to each human his lot in life ⇒ [2x] 1 Cor 7:17; Eph 4:11.
Creator ⇒ [6x] John 1:3; 1:10; 1:11; 1 Cor 8:6d; Col 3:10 (of the New Man, the born-again
aspect); Heb 1:2c.
Judge, Eschatological/Cosmic ⇒ [3x] John 12:31; 2 Tim 4:1; 4:8.
King of Heaven ⇒ [3x] 1 Cor 15:24; Eph 6:9; Rev 22:5d.
Rewarder of each human [« Prov 24:12, exclusive domain of YHWH]
⇒ [2x] Matt 16:27; Rom 2:6.
Shepherd, Only [1]
⇒ John 10:14-16 (“The Good Shepherd” and “One Shepherd” for His “own”).
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J.
Not an issue at all. A compound unity may be referred to by a single pronoun. It is the plural you must come to grips with. It is one sending another, one with another. It is Yahweh speaking of Yahweh in the third person
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did you figure out 101's doctrine of Christ? I never can follow his writing style or ideas.
He divides God up into three. He believes one personhod is equally shared among the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Together the three are one person.
101G
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that's your ERROR. right off the bat the term "COMPOUND " means "a thing that is composed of two or more separate elements; a mixture": UNITY "refers to the state of being joined together or in agreement.
in the bible God is "OF" himself, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
GOD: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
PLURAL ..... "OF" ... not PLURAL from. so, you compound unity is a false deception from the devil. you're into polytheism at it's worst, and don't even KNOW it.
so, 101G will leave you alone, because when some ne is in a delusion and don't even know it.... it's a waste of time. why? 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
when God sends a delusion.... leave them alone. for did not God foretold us this? yes, Isaiah 66:4 "I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not."
so good day and good night.
101G.
101G.
you are only 2000 years late about an encounter with a strong delusion.
Peterlag
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The Bible says that Jesus is Lord, but 'Lord' doesn’t always mean God.
Many people in the Bible are called lord; King David was called lord, and he was even worshiped.
1 Kings 1:11 KJV
Wherefore Nathan spake unto Bath–sheba the mother of Solomon, saying, Hast thou not heard that Adonijah the son of Haggith doth reign, and David our lord knows it not?
1 Kings 1:31 KJV
Then Bath–sheba bowed with her face to the earth, and did reverence to the king, and said, Let my lord king David live for ever.
1 Kings 1:36-37 makes a distinction between the LORD God and the lord king David.
And Benaiah answered the king, and said, Amen: the LORD God of my lord the king say so too. [37] As the LORD hath been with my lord the king, even so be he with Solomon, and make his throne greater than the throne of my lord king David.
Psalm 110:1 makes a distinction between the LORD God and the Lord Jesus Christ. The LORD said unto my Lord.
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Ephesians 1:17 says the Father of glory is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ.
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
When the Bible says there is one LORD in Deuteronomy 6:4, it is talking about the LORD God. There is only one LORD God.
This does not mean that others cannot be called lord. Genesis 45:9 states that God made Joseph lord of all Egypt,
and Acts 2:36 states that God made Jesus both Lord and Christ.
Genesis 45:9 KJV
Haste ye, and go up to my father, and say unto him, Thus saith thy son Joseph, God hath made me lord of all Egypt: come down unto me, tarry not:
Acts 2:36 KJV
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
If Jesus was made Lord by God, then Jesus can't be the LORD God.
Deuteronomy 6:4 is not talking about Jesus; it's talking about his Father.
Jesus called his Father Lord of heaven and earth in Matthew 11:25. Jesus wasn't talking to himself.
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes
When 1st Corinthians 8:6 and Ephesians 4:5 say there is one Lord, it’s talking about the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Father put one lord over us, just like He put one lord over Egypt, which was Joseph, and He put one lord over Israel, which was King David.
1 Corinthians 11:3 says that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Christ is our head, but He has a head. Christ is our Lord, but He has a Lord. He has a God and Father over Him.
This is clearly what the Bible says.
Ephesians 1:2-3 KJV
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. [3] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Many people in the Bible are called lord; King David was called lord, and he was even worshiped.
1 Kings 1:11 KJV
Wherefore Nathan spake unto Bath–sheba the mother of Solomon, saying, Hast thou not heard that Adonijah the son of Haggith doth reign, and David our lord knows it not?
1 Kings 1:31 KJV
Then Bath–sheba bowed with her face to the earth, and did reverence to the king, and said, Let my lord king David live for ever.
1 Kings 1:36-37 makes a distinction between the LORD God and the lord king David.
And Benaiah answered the king, and said, Amen: the LORD God of my lord the king say so too. [37] As the LORD hath been with my lord the king, even so be he with Solomon, and make his throne greater than the throne of my lord king David.
Psalm 110:1 makes a distinction between the LORD God and the Lord Jesus Christ. The LORD said unto my Lord.
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Ephesians 1:17 says the Father of glory is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ.
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
When the Bible says there is one LORD in Deuteronomy 6:4, it is talking about the LORD God. There is only one LORD God.
This does not mean that others cannot be called lord. Genesis 45:9 states that God made Joseph lord of all Egypt,
and Acts 2:36 states that God made Jesus both Lord and Christ.
Genesis 45:9 KJV
Haste ye, and go up to my father, and say unto him, Thus saith thy son Joseph, God hath made me lord of all Egypt: come down unto me, tarry not:
Acts 2:36 KJV
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
If Jesus was made Lord by God, then Jesus can't be the LORD God.
Deuteronomy 6:4 is not talking about Jesus; it's talking about his Father.
Jesus called his Father Lord of heaven and earth in Matthew 11:25. Jesus wasn't talking to himself.
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes
When 1st Corinthians 8:6 and Ephesians 4:5 say there is one Lord, it’s talking about the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Father put one lord over us, just like He put one lord over Egypt, which was Joseph, and He put one lord over Israel, which was King David.
1 Corinthians 11:3 says that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Christ is our head, but He has a head. Christ is our Lord, but He has a Lord. He has a God and Father over Him.
This is clearly what the Bible says.
Ephesians 1:2-3 KJV
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. [3] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Diserner
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The question should rather be, does Lord EVER mean God?
There is only one Lord of Lords.
Peterlag
Active Member
I think it's safe to bet my car that you did not read what I posted or you would not have asked does Lord ever mean God.
Try again Trinitarians holds there is one God one what and three persons
There is both compound and unity
101G
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