A Personal Reflection on the Trinity and Salvation

[praise_yeshua]

Jesus is my master without being God. He isn't an idol for me. Sounds like you don't have a point.

Back to the issue. Why do you make Jesus out to be your idol?

I made my point. I asked some questions. You haven't answered them. You can't move on.

You said you have more than one Master. That is what you said.

In saying this, you are denying Jesus Christ. You can't have but ONE Master. Jesus said this. Here. You obviously don't know where that is. Have you even read those words yourself?

Mat 6:24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

Luke records these words too.

Luk 16:13 No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

You are falsely claiming Jesus is your Master. You said it yourself. You have other masters.

 

[Runningman]

I made my point. I asked some questions. You haven't answered them. You can't move on.

You said you have more than one Master. That is what you said.

In saying this, you are denying Jesus Christ. You can't have but ONE Master. Jesus said this. Here. You obviously don't know where that is. Have you even read those words yourself?

Mat 6:24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

Luke records these words too.

Luk 16:13 No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

You are falsely claiming Jesus is your Master. You said it yourself. You have other masters.

Ah so now you want to intentionally misquote Scripture because you're a liar like your daddy the devil.

For the readers, here is the full verse that @praise_yeshua edited for his own false agenda of trying to make me say things I never said.

Matthew 6
24No one can serve two masters: Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Luke 16
13No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”

Here we see the context is about serving God and money, not about having more than one master. People in the Bible do have more than one master.

Paul taught that slaves have two masters: their earthly masters and Jesus.

Ephesians 4
5Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear and sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Back to the issue. Why do you make Jesus out to be your idol?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Ah so now you want to intentionally misquote Scripture because you're a liar like your daddy the devil.

How nice of you.

For the readers, here is the full verse that @praise_yeshua edited for his own false agenda of trying to make me say things I never said.

Matthew 6
24No one can serve two masters: Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Luke 16
13No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”

Jesus gave an example of serving two masters.

Here we see the context is about serving God and money, not about having more than one master. People in the Bible do have more than one master.

Paul taught that slaves have two masters: their earthly masters and Jesus.

Ephesians 4
5Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear and sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Back to the issue. Why do you make Jesus out to be your idol?

Funny. I don't have an earthly master. Who is your earthly master?

Jesus is from above. Not from below. I know you want to pretend you're not dealing with a superior person than yourself when you speak of Jesus. You're always trying to drag Jesus down to your level. He is better than you and is your Master.

So when did you come from above?

See how easy that was? Keep talking.

 

[Runningman]

How nice of you.



Jesus gave an example of serving two masters.



Funny. I don't have an earthly master. Who is your earthly master?

Jesus is from above. Not from below. I know you want to pretend you're not dealing with a superior person than yourself when you speak of Jesus. You're always trying to drag Jesus down to your level. He is better than you and is your Master.

So when did you come from above?

See how easy that was? Keep talking.

Yes, there are earthly masters whom you obey and you should also be obeying Jesus as well. Paul didn't contradict Jesus in his teachings. You're ignoring the context of serving both God and money, which is definitely why you left that part of the verse off.

 

[mikesw]

Yes, there are earthly masters whom you obey and you should also be obeying Jesus as well. Paul didn't contradict Jesus in his teachings. You're ignoring the context of serving both God and money, which is definitely why you left that part of the verse off.

you are then affirming the divinity of Christ finally.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, there are earthly masters whom you obey and you should also be obeying Jesus as well. Paul didn't contradict Jesus in his teachings. You're ignoring the context of serving both God and money, which is definitely why you left that part of the verse off.

Read the context of my what Jesus said. He was dealing with people just like you. People that believe serving the earthly moral principles of their "masters" isn't possible while serving God. I'm sure you have plenty of masters.

That is exactly why you're rejecting Jesus Christ. He isn't from below. He is from above. He has no earthly master. He is One with the Father.

To me it doesn't matter if you want to ignore your own failures here. Live with them. Your choice but don't pretend you can defend your position. It is pitifully inadequate.

 

[Runningman]

you are then affirming the divinity of Christ finally.

Huh. Finally? Jesus is divine if you mean he is of heaven; so are angels, so are others. Where you mix things up is when you try to redefine that divinity means deity. These words don't mean the same things.

 

[Runningman]

Read the context of my what Jesus said. He was dealing with people just like you. People that believe serving the earthly moral principles of their "masters" isn't possible while serving God. I'm sure you have plenty of masters.

That is exactly why you're rejecting Jesus Christ. He isn't from below. He is from above. He has no earthly master. He is One with the Father.

To me it doesn't matter if you want to ignore your own failures here. Live with them. Your choice but don't pretend you can defend your position. It is pitifully inadequate.

I know why you want there to be only one master. It's because you want the only master to be God and if there isn't more than one master, and Jesus is the master, then your argument will become Jesus is God. Give it up already. Your bad argument has already been debunked by there being many masters and God being Jesus' master. Maybe that argument works on Biblically illiterate folks, but not me. You're going to have to do a lot better than using deception.

Now back to the matter at hand. Why do you preach idolatry?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I know why you want there to be only one master. It's because you want the only master to be God and if there isn't more than one master, and Jesus is the master, then your argument will become Jesus is God. Give it up already. Your bad argument has already been debunked by there being many masters and God being Jesus' master. Maybe that argument works on Biblically illiterate folks, but not me. You're going to have to do a lot better than using deception.

Now back to the matter at hand. Why do you preach idolatry?

There is only one Master. You can't have more than one Master.

I asked who your earthly master is. You quoted those words didn't you. The explicit use of "earthly master" in contrast to how Jesus referenced master.

Did you notice that? So who is your earthly master? Will that earthly master share you with another?

 

[mikesw]

Huh. Finally? Jesus is divine if you mean he is of heaven; so are angels, so are others. Where you mix things up is when you try to redefine that divinity means deity. These words don't mean the same things.

i see you do not comprehend stuff yet. Jesus does not equate to angels --as if angels were divine. You lose track of all terms. Again when i say divinity, you know that I have only used this as a simpler way of saying Jesus is deity in the Godhead. So you are just neglecting all that has been discussed before which is why you cannot get your theology corrected

 

[Runningman]

There is only one Master. You can't have more than one Master.

I asked who your earthly master is. You quoted those words didn't you. The explicit use of "earthly master" in contrast to how Jesus referenced master.

Did you notice that? So who is your earthly master? Will that earthly master share you with another?

Ok I will step you through it. You will need to agree with some difficult verses that challenge what you're saying.

How many masters are you counting here?

Ephesians 4
5Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear and sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

 

[Runningman]

i see you do not comprehend stuff yet. Jesus does not equate to angels --as if angels were divine. You lose track of all terms. Again when i say divinity, you know that I have only used this as a simpler way of saying Jesus is deity in the Godhead. So you are just neglecting all that has been discussed before which is why you cannot get your theology corrected

Ok, so because Jesus has a divine nature like God does that means he's God?

 

[mikesw]

Ok, so because Jesus has a divine nature like God does that means he's God?

Since he is deity, indeed he is God. We again look at John 1:18 and all of John 1. He is God because he is God. That is the simple way of saying it while still leaving you confused who Jesus truly is.

 

[Runningman]

Since he is deity, indeed he is God. We again look at John 1:18 and all of John 1. He is God because he is God. That is the simple way of saying it while still leaving you confused who Jesus truly is.

That's what I though you would say, but just needed to get you on record saying it before refuting you.

Scripture teaches believers have the same exact divine nature as God does. What's your workaround for that?

2 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Ok I will step you through it. You will need to agree with some difficult verses that challenge what you're saying.

How many masters are you counting here?

Ephesians 4
5Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear and sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

You're not stepping through anything. You're skipping most everything I'm saying.

So who are your earthly masters?
Are you my master?

 

[dwight92070]

So any time someone in the Bible is worshipped it means they are bowing to God? Abraham bowed to people, Nathan bowed, many bowed. Bowing can be called worship, but it doesn't infer deity. Why did you think they were worshipping Jesus as God? Which verse says that and why do you reject Jesus' explicit teaching about how the true worshippers worship the Father in spirit and truth? Physical bowing isn't spirit and truth worship.

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

You said: So any time someone in the Bible is worshipped it means they are bowing to God?

You love to twist the words that I have spoken, which is typical of those who reject Christ's Deity. I NEVER said the above. Those are your twisted words.

In Matthew 4:9 the devil said to Jesus: "All these things I will give You, if you fall down and worship me."

Jesus answered, "Go Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.' " Deut. 6:13

So Jesus acknowledged that ONLY GOD should be worshiped, just as I said. Yet He Himself received worship without rebuking those worshiping Him. In fact, at times He even encouraged people to worship Him. "If these remain silent, even the rocks will cry out (to worship Me)."

You asked: Why do you think they were worshiping Jesus as God?

Because that's the very definition of worship. We are commanded not to worship anything or anyone but God.

Yes, people bowed to other people in the Old Testament. Does that make it right? I don't think so. We are to bow in worship of God, not before man. That approaches or actually is idolatry.

If you think that I am rejecting John 4:23-24 (which I am NOT), then I could also say that you are rejecting what the Scripture teaches us in Acts 10:25-26. "When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet and worshiped him. But Peter raised him up, saying, 'Stand up; I too am just a man.' "
You are also rejecting what the angels told John when he "fell at his (the angel's) feet to worship him." The angel was displeased with that and said: "Do not do that; ... worship God." Revelation 19:10. The same thing happened again in Rev. 22:8-9.

Of course we worship in Spirit and truth. Does that mean that we don't also worship by bowing with our face to the ground before God? Obviously we do both.

Paul said, "For this reason I bow my knees before the Father." Ephesians 3:14

He also said, "Every knee shall bow ... and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." Phil. 2:10-11

So going by your reasoning, obviously you also reject the teaching of these two verses.

 

[dwight92070]

You're not stepping through anything. You're skipping most everything I'm saying.

So who are your earthly masters?
Are you my master?

 

[praise_yeshua]

That's what I though you would say, but just needed to get you on record saying it before refuting you.

Scripture teaches believers have the same exact divine nature as God does. What's your workaround for that?

2 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

To partake of something doesn't equal becoming completely. Which is one of the reasons you're going to die and corrupt when Jesus didn't.

You are not even close to being just like Jesus. He is your Master. There is none like Him.

Over and over again you Unitarians treat Jesus like YOUR "better brother". Yet, you're not begotten of God. God only has one and only one begotten Son.

You're not HIM. Stop pretending.

I'll gladly worship Jesus Christ. He is worthy. You're not.

 

[civic]

To partake of something doesn't equal becoming completely. Which is one of the reasons you're going to die and corrupt when Jesus didn't.

You are not even close to being just like Jesus. He is your Master. There is none like Him.

Over and over again you Unitarians treat Jesus like YOUR "better brother". Yet, you're not begotten of God. God only has one and only one begotten Son.

You're not HIM. Stop pretending.

I'll gladly worship Jesus Christ. He is worthy. You're not.

correct - when I partake of the Lords supper I do not become the blood and the body of Jesus.

the Uni's arguments are nonsense at best.

 

[Jim]

I partake of bacon and eggs several times a week. I sure do hope I don't turn into bacon and eggs.