A Personal Reflection on the Trinity and Salvation

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Nathanael said to him, “How do you know me?” Jesus answered him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” [John 1:48]

Oops.. yeah it's Nathanael Jesus saw under a tree.

The same thing stands here.. that this is something only Jesus could do.. only He had (aside from the Father). The passage doesn't say this is a vision given Jesus. Jesus saw Nathanael. That's what it says. If you take it to mean vision.. that isn't taking the text as it is. Then you have no foundation to stand it if varying from scripture.

And my response remains the same. I didn't say it was a vision. Do you know what revelation from God is?

Nathanael said to him, “How do you know me?” Jesus answered him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” [John 1:48] I believe God spoke to Jesus via revelation on whom to call as his disciples.
Jesus did not have his Father's attributes - he was not self sufficient, he was not omniscient, he was not omnipotent nor was he omnipresent.

With Jesus sending the Holy Spirit-- I have seen a translation -probably the NIV of having the Father send the Holy Spirit in Jesus' name. But either way-- in Jesus' name.. or Jesus doing the sending with the Father.. that is not the work of a mortal man. It's not the work of the disciples or apostles either. It's far beyond them.

It took a mortal man to undo the mess Adam made. It was humanity who owed a debt to God.
For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by one man's diso5the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. [Rom. 5]
Salvation was God's plan not yours or mine ----- if He said his human Son could pay the price then I'll take his word for it.

 

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And my response remains the same. I didn't say it was a vision. Do you know what revelation from God is?


It took a mortal man to undo the mess Adam made. It was humanity who owed a debt to God.
For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by one man's diso5the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. [Rom. 5]
Salvation was God's plan not yours or mine ----- if He said his human Son could pay the price then I'll take his word for it.

A revelation from God that Jesus saw Nathaneal under the tree?

That's not taking scripture as itself

 

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And my response remains the same. I didn't say it was a vision. Do you know what revelation from God is?


It took a mortal man to undo the mess Adam made. It was humanity who owed a debt to God.
For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by one man's diso5the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. [Rom. 5]
Salvation was God's plan not yours or mine ----- if He said his human Son could pay the price then I'll take his word for it.

Jesus was fully man for sure. But He did too many things that went far above what any mortal man can do.

Another example is saying what can be done on the Sabbath. There are scores of levitical laws etc that Jesus was superceding by saying what the disciples could do on the Sabbath.

Who can supersede those laws but God.