A Personal Reflection on the Trinity and Salvation

[amazing grace]

Nathanael said to him, “How do you know me?” Jesus answered him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” [John 1:48]

Oops.. yeah it's Nathanael Jesus saw under a tree.

The same thing stands here.. that this is something only Jesus could do.. only He had (aside from the Father). The passage doesn't say this is a vision given Jesus. Jesus saw Nathanael. That's what it says. If you take it to mean vision.. that isn't taking the text as it is. Then you have no foundation to stand it if varying from scripture.

And my response remains the same. I didn't say it was a vision. Do you know what revelation from God is?

Nathanael said to him, “How do you know me?” Jesus answered him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” [John 1:48] I believe God spoke to Jesus via revelation on whom to call as his disciples.
Jesus did not have his Father's attributes - he was not self sufficient, he was not omniscient, he was not omnipotent nor was he omnipresent.

With Jesus sending the Holy Spirit-- I have seen a translation -probably the NIV of having the Father send the Holy Spirit in Jesus' name. But either way-- in Jesus' name.. or Jesus doing the sending with the Father.. that is not the work of a mortal man. It's not the work of the disciples or apostles either. It's far beyond them.

It took a mortal man to undo the mess Adam made. It was humanity who owed a debt to God.
For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by one man's diso5the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. [Rom. 5]
Salvation was God's plan not yours or mine ----- if He said his human Son could pay the price then I'll take his word for it.

 

[360watt]

And my response remains the same. I didn't say it was a vision. Do you know what revelation from God is?


It took a mortal man to undo the mess Adam made. It was humanity who owed a debt to God.
For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by one man's diso5the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. [Rom. 5]
Salvation was God's plan not yours or mine ----- if He said his human Son could pay the price then I'll take his word for it.

A revelation from God that Jesus saw Nathaneal under the tree?

That's not taking scripture as itself

 

[360watt]

And my response remains the same. I didn't say it was a vision. Do you know what revelation from God is?


It took a mortal man to undo the mess Adam made. It was humanity who owed a debt to God.
For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by one man's diso5the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. [Rom. 5]
Salvation was God's plan not yours or mine ----- if He said his human Son could pay the price then I'll take his word for it.

Jesus was fully man for sure. But He did too many things that went far above what any mortal man can do.

Another example is saying what can be done on the Sabbath. There are scores of levitical laws etc that Jesus was superceding by saying what the disciples could do on the Sabbath.

Who can supersede those laws but God.

 

[FreeInChrist]

yeah yeah yeah --- I understand the claim --- Jesus is God, God is the Father but Jesus is not the Father . . . yet Jesus is God and so on and so on . . .

From what I understand and have heard 'God never ceases to be God'. Therefore, while on earth the Son was still God - yet pretending to be a man, pretending to be a Son . . . Since Jesus said his Father was greater than him - I believe him. Jesus said his Father was greater than all - I believe him.

Hey, you can believe that if you want . . . I'd rather believe the truth. Jesus is the Son of God - God is his Father. The Holy Spirit is God, the power of the Most High that caused Mary to conceive; the power that rose Jesus from the dead. The holy spirit is also considered a gift - Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

It is the single name . . . could it be read as 'baptizing them in the name of the Father, in the name of the Son and in the name of the holy spirit'?

I doubt it because the single name came from Jesus. If all were to be named individually then He most likely would have said names.

It seems this verse is not clear even to scholars!! I don't know everything as I am sure that you don't know everything -
BUT I DO KNOW the verse does not say baptizing them in the name of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

It does say in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Why did Jesus not say in the name of God the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. As it stands now and for a couple of millennia , some one could trnslate and say they were bnor batised in the name of God......

Oh . . . Isn't the Trinity one God who exists as three distinct, co-equal, and co-eternal persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit?

Yes, but you have been around here long enough to have read from whom is insistent that there is only one God who is one being who is three parts in one making Him be 1/3 Jesus, the Son.. 1/3 the Holy Spirit and 1/3 God (the Father)

And I insist...
He, God, is not far. He is in you, around you moving through your life moment by moment.

He, God, is not far for He is the Father that formed you... the Son that saved you...and the Holy Spirit that walks with you right now.

He, God, is not divided... He is not confused... He is one, yet He is three and He is with you.

The mystery of the Trinity was never meant to confuse you, it was meant to invite you to help you see that the goal of the bible is not a distant force, but a divine relationship overflowing with love. grace, and power reaching for you.

This is not theology. It is your lifeline because when you walk in step with the Trinity you are not just believing the truth...
YOU ARE living in it,

 

[amazing grace]

I doubt it because the single name came from Jesus. If all were to be named individually then He most likely would have said names.

As I said - I don't know everything and surely don't know enough of the old Greek language, syntax, grammar and all that stuff so I will not state anything definite. All I can say for a certaintys that baptism was carried out in the name of Jesus Christ or in the name of the Lord Jesus, etc.

It does say in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Why did Jesus not say in the name of God the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. As it stands now and for a couple of millennia , some one could trnslate and say they were bnor batised in the name of God......

I use the ESV and Jesus did say - in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit - each recognized individually.
It seems that out of 64 translations at Biblegateway.com only 6 do not read that way, the CJB, CEV, EASY, GNT, MSG, and the VOICE. Your right it seems that if the ONE NAME simply means 'God' then why hasn't someone translated it that way?

Yes, but you have been around here long enough to have read from whom is insistent that there is only one God who is one being who is three parts in one making Him be 1/3 Jesus, the Son.. 1/3 the Holy Spirit and 1/3 God (the Father)

I thought God was indivisible?

And I insist...
He, God, is not far. He is in you, around you moving through your life moment by moment.

He, God, is not far for He is the Father that formed you... the Son that saved you...and the Holy Spirit that walks with you right now.

He, God, is not divided... He is not confused... He is one, yet He is three and He is with you.

You just said 'there is only one God who is one being who is three parts in one making him be 1/3 Jesus, the Son. 1/3 the Holy Spirit and 1/3 God (the Father)' and now you say 'he is not divided' . . . which one is it?

The mystery of the Trinity was never meant to confuse you, it was meant to invite you to help you see that the goal of the bible is not a distant force, but a divine relationship overflowing with love. grace, and power reaching for you.

Read what you just wrote above ^^^^. For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. [1 Cor. 14:33]

This is not theology. It is your lifeline because when you walk in step with the Trinity you are not just believing the truth...
YOU ARE living in it,

I understand that you truly believe that . . . . I don't believe the Trinity is biblical nor scriptural so therefore not the truth. I believe I am saved by faith . . . God is the source from which his Son comes and the source of our salvation which comes by faith through His Son, His Messiah, Jesus Christ.

 

[amazing grace]

A revelation from God that Jesus saw Nathaneal under the tree?

That's not taking scripture as itself

God revealed to Jesus who Nathaneal was - that is what revelation from God is. Jesus was not omnipotent - all knowing.

 

[civic]

A revelation from God that Jesus saw Nathaneal under the tree?

That's not taking scripture as itself

There was no revelation from God in that narrative. Jesus saw him in the same way Jesus knows the thoughts of man, the intent of their hearts. The unitarian cannot accept that fact.

 

[amazing grace]

Jesus was fully man for sure. But He did too many things that went far above what any mortal man can do.

Another example is saying what can be done on the Sabbath. There are scores of levitical laws etc that Jesus was superceding by saying what the disciples could do on the Sabbath.

Who can supersede those laws but God.

“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— [Acts 2:22]

Did Jesus break the Sabbath? Or was he accused of breaking the Sabbath?

Here is the Levitical Law: “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the Lord in all your dwelling places. [Lev. 23:3] The question would be: what is considered "work"? Is doing good considered "work"? It seems Jesus throws their accusation in their face!

Let's look at what Jesus says in John 7:21-23 Jesus answered them, "I did one work and you all marvel at it. Moses gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. If on the Sabbath a man receives circumcision, so that the law of Moses may not be broken, are you angry with me because on the Sabbath, I made a man's whole body well.

Now, did Jesus consider that he broke the Sabbath? I would say no. But if he did - he would have had authority from his Father.

 

[FreeInChrist]

As I said - I don't know everything and surely don't know enough of the old Greek language, syntax, grammar and all that stuff so I will not state anything definite. All I can say for a certaintys that baptism was carried out in the name of Jesus Christ or in the name of the Lord Jesus, etc.

I use the ESV and Jesus did say - in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit - each recognized individually.
It seems that out of 64 translations at Biblegateway.com only 6 do not read that way, the CJB, CEV, EASY, GNT, MSG, and the VOICE. Your right it seems that if the ONE NAME simply means 'God' then why hasn't someone translated it that way?

I thought God was indivisible?

You just said 'there is only one God who is one being who is three parts in one making him be 1/3 Jesus, the Son. 1/3 the Holy Spirit and 1/3 God (the Father)' and now you say 'he is not divided' . . . which one is it?

Christianity is not a polytheism. We do not, at least I do not hold to the belief in or worship of multiple deities.

They, the three are one. You either get it or you dont.

I read... unless it was another mistranslation that when Jesus was baptised He came out of the water ... being #1, The Holy Spirit as a dove came down to Him... being #2, And the Holy Father AKA GOD said this is my Son YASA YASA... being #3.

They were physically seperate but they all were the singular God.

If you are in New York and your spouse is in California.. you are separate... yet God the Father has said in Genesis 2:24,Matthew 19:5,Mark 10:8,Ephesians 5:31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh."

You are separated, yet you are one in God's eyes.

Why can people not understand this.. for it is applicable to the Trinity.

3 each with their own "work" to do but they are one.

No one is divided into 3 parts.

As the hymn goes... "God in three persons. Blessed Trinity."

Probably the reason that the stupidest word ever put into any bible is Godhead.

You know when I see this I always think of a brain in a glass jar.

But it served the purpose for a long time to have people understand the Trinity.

I just wish they would have written it like they are sharing an umbrella.

The term "godhede" appears in the Wycliffe Bible in Acts 17:29 and Romans 1:20. It is also used in Colossians 2:9 in the context of discussing the divine nature.

The term "godhead" appears in Tyndale's Bible in Colossians 2:9, where it translates the Greek word for "deity."

The Geneva Bible mentions the term "Godhead" in three verses: Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, and Colossians 2:9.

The term "Godhead" is mentioned three times in the King James Version (KJV) Bible: Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, and Colossians 2:9. Each verse uses the word in a different context related to the nature of God

So if you find the term acceptable... then how would you describe what it is or its purpose? I

Read what you just wrote above ^^^^. For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. [1 Cor. 14:33]

I understand that you truly believe that . . . . I don't believe the Trinity is biblical nor scriptural so therefore not the truth. I believe I am saved by faith . . . God is the source from which his Son comes and the source of our salvation which comes by faith through His Son, His Messiah, Jesus Christ.

 

[amazing grace]

Christianity is not a polytheism. We do not, at least I do not hold to the belief in or worship of multiple deities.

I realize you think that.

They, the three are one. You either get it or you dont.

'either you get it or you don't' . . . True enough.

I read... unless it was another mistranslation that when Jesus was baptised He came out of the water ... being #1, The Holy Spirit as a dove came down to Him... being #2, And the Holy Father AKA GOD said this is my Son YASA YASA... being #3.

They were physically seperate but they all were the singular God.

Yes, when Jesus was baptized and he came out of the water God sent his Spirit, aka Holy Spirit in the likeness of a dove to rest upon Jesus (showing the anointing of Jesus) and then God His Father spoke from heaven and said - this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. God the Father sent his Spirit and praised his Son.

Pure contradiction - they were physically separate but all the singular God. If you have God as the Father, God as the Son and God as the Holy Spirit and they were physically separate - THAT IS THREE Gods NOT ONE.

If you are in New York and your spouse is in California.. you are separate... yet God the Father has said in Genesis 2:24,Matthew 19:5,Mark 10:8,Ephesians 5:31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh."

You are separated, yet you are one in God's eyes.

Why can people not understand this.. for it is applicable to the Trinity.

3 each with their own "work" to do but they are one.

If I am in New York and my husband is in California - we are each in different places. WE ARE ONE FLESH THROUGH INTIMACY BUT NOT IN REALITY. I am not my husband and my husband is not me.

No one is divided into 3 parts.

You are the one who said 1/3 the Father, 1/3 the Son, and 1/3 the Holy Spirit.

As the hymn goes... "God in three persons. Blessed Trinity."

How well I remember that song! Doesn't make it truth though . . .

Probably the reason that the stupidest word ever put into any bible is Godhead.

You know when I see this I always think of a brain in a glass jar.

But it served the purpose for a long time to have people understand the Trinity.

I just wish they would have written it like they are sharing an umbrella.

The term "godhede" appears in the Wycliffe Bible in Acts 17:29 and Romans 1:20. It is also used in Colossians 2:9 in the context of discussing the divine nature.

The term "godhead" appears in Tyndale's Bible in Colossians 2:9, where it translates the Greek word for "deity."

The Geneva Bible mentions the term "Godhead" in three verses: Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, and Colossians 2:9.

The term "Godhead" is mentioned three times in the King James Version (KJV) Bible: Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, and Colossians 2:9. Each verse uses the word in a different context related to the nature of God

So if you find the term acceptable... then how would you describe what it is or its purpose?

I don't see it as meaning 'God' . . . It is dependent upon how it's used I suppose.

Sometimes it's translated Godhead, sometimes divine power and then again divine nature so I don't think anyone knows exactly what is means. There are two other references in 2 Peter in which the same Greek word is used theios - but translated as 'divine power' in 2 Peter 1:3; 'divine nature' in 2 Peter 1:4 where we are partakers of the divine nature.

If I were to put all the scriptures together and have them relatable then I would prefer 'divine nature' but as I said - who knows?

 

[FreeInChrist]

I realize you think that.

'either you get it or you don't' . . . True enough.

Yes, when Jesus was baptized and he came out of the water God sent his Spirit, aka Holy Spirit in the likeness of a dove to rest upon Jesus (showing the anointing of Jesus) and then God His Father spoke from heaven and said - this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. God the Father sent his Spirit and praised his Son.

Pure contradiction - they were physically separate but all the singular God. If you have God as the Father, God as the Son and God as the Holy Spirit and they were physically separate - THAT IS THREE Gods NOT ONE.

This is what I am saying.

But if you call each God to me that does not say 3 Gods....

God in 3 persons to me it is perfectly acceptable to to say God the Son shed his blood for us. Or God the Holy Spirit is living in us
because most see God sitting up in heaven with zero concerns on earth today. If you say God is present, they are clueless.

I guess on this we have to agree to disagree

If I am in New York and my husband is in California - we are each in different places. WE ARE ONE FLESH THROUGH INTIMACY BUT NOT IN REALITY. I am not my husband and my husband is not me.

You are the one who said 1/3 the Father, 1/3 the Son, and 1/3 the Holy Spirit.

No I did not. That was someone in another thread and I used it for an example of what the Trinity is not.

How well I remember that song! Doesn't make it truth though . . .

I don't see it as meaning 'God' . . . It is dependent upon how it's used I suppose.

Sometimes it's translated Godhead, sometimes divine power and then again divine nature so I don't think anyone knows exactly what is means. There are two other references in 2 Peter in which the same Greek word is used theios - but translated as 'divine power' in 2 Peter 1:3; 'divine nature' in 2 Peter 1:4 where we are partakers of the divine nature.

If I were to put all the scriptures together and have them relatable then I would prefer 'divine nature' but as I said - who knows?

 

[civic]

Christianity is not a polytheism. We do not, at least I do not hold to the belief in or worship of multiple deities.

They, the three are one. You either get it or you dont.

I read... unless it was another mistranslation that when Jesus was baptised He came out of the water ... being #1, The Holy Spirit as a dove came down to Him... being #2, And the Holy Father AKA GOD said this is my Son YASA YASA... being #3.

They were physically seperate but they all were the singular God.

If you are in New York and your spouse is in California.. you are separate... yet God the Father has said in <span class="biblePreviewerContainer"><a href="https://eng.global.bible/bible/9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04
/GEN.2?passageId=GEN.2.24" class="biblePreviewerLink" data-bible-ref="2:24-2:24" data-bible-book="GEN" data-bible-trans="9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04">Genesis 2:24</a></span>,<span class="biblePreviewerContainer"><a href="https://eng.global.bible/bible/9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04
/MAT.19?passageId=MAT.19.5" class="biblePreviewerLink" data-bible-ref="19:5-19:5" data-bible-book="MAT" data-bible-trans="9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04">Matthew 19:5</a></span>,<span class="biblePreviewerContainer"><a href="https://eng.global.bible/bible/9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04
/MRK.10?passageId=MRK.10.8" class="biblePreviewerLink" data-bible-ref="10:8-10:8" data-bible-book="MRK" data-bible-trans="9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04">Mark 10:8</a></span>,<span class="biblePreviewerContainer"><a href="https://eng.global.bible/bible/9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04
/EPH.5?passageId=EPH.5.31" class="biblePreviewerLink" data-bible-ref="5:31-5:31" data-bible-book="EPH" data-bible-trans="9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04">Ephesians 5:31</a></span> "For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh."

You are separated, yet you are one in God's eyes.

Why can people not understand this.. for it is applicable to the Trinity.

3 each with their own "work" to do but they are one.

No one is divided into 3 parts.

As the hymn goes... "God in three persons. Blessed Trinity."
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Probably the reason that the stupidest word ever put into any bible is Godhead.

You know when I see this I always think of a brain in a glass jar.

But it served the purpose for a long time to have people understand the Trinity.

I just wish they would have written it like they are sharing an umbrella.

The term "godhede" appears in the Wycliffe Bible in <span class="biblePreviewerContainer"><a href="https://eng.global.bible/bible/9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04
/ACT.17?passageId=ACT.17.29" class="biblePreviewerLink" data-bible-ref="17:29-17:29" data-bible-book="ACT" data-bible-trans="9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04">Acts 17:29</a></span> and <span class="biblePreviewerContainer"><a href="https://eng.global.bible/bible/9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04
/ROM.1?passageId=ROM.1.20" class="biblePreviewerLink" data-bible-ref="1:20-1:20" data-bible-book="ROM" data-bible-trans="9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04">Romans 1:20</a></span>. It is also used in <span class="biblePreviewerContainer"><a href="https://eng.global.bible/bible/9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04
/COL.2?passageId=COL.2.9" class="biblePreviewerLink" data-bible-ref="2:9-2:9" data-bible-book="COL" data-bible-trans="9879dbb7cfe39e4d-04">Colossians 2:9</a></span> in the context of discussing the divine nature.
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[360watt]

God revealed to Jesus who Nathaneal was - that is what revelation from God is. Jesus was not omnipotent - all knowing.

John 6:53-56 KJV
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. [56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him

Jesus gives eternal life to those who believe in Him. That's God's power.

Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55]

56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him

Jesus is being non literal with eating flesh and drinking blood but not about giving eternal life.

If you say the Father gave Jesus the ability to give eternal life, that is something no other mortal person on earth has. It is again far and above what mortal man can do. Also, the passage isn't saying the Father gave Jesus the authority..it is saying Jesus gives eternal life.

 

[amazing grace]

This is what I am saying.

Pure contradiction - they were physically separate but all the singular God. If you have God as the Father, God as the Son and God as the Holy Spirit and they were physically separate - THAT IS THREE Gods NOT ONE.

But if you call each God to me that does not say 3 Gods....

God in 3 persons to me it is perfectly acceptable to to say God the Son shed his blood for us. Or God the Holy Spirit is living in us
because most see God sitting up in heaven with zero concerns on earth today. If you say God is present, they are clueless.

I guess on this we have to agree to disagree

to you it may be perfectly acceptable to say God the Son shed his blood for us . . . BUT THAT IS NOT TRUTH. There is NO "GOD THE SON" in scripture AND another big issue would be ---- God cannot die.
I agree that God in Christ dwells in us via the gift of holy spirit.
Yes, we will have to disagree.

No I did not. That was someone in another thread and I used it for an example of what the Trinity is not.

Post #24 this thread . . . maybe I misunderstood what it was you were trying to say . . . .

Yes, but you have been around here long enough to have read from whom is insistent that there is only one God who is one being who is three parts in one making Him be 1/3 Jesus, the Son.. 1/3 the Holy Spirit and 1/3 God (the Father)

 

[amazing grace]

John 6:53-56 KJV
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. [56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him

Jesus gives eternal life to those who believe in Him. That's God's power.

Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55]

56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him

Jesus is being non literal with eating flesh and drinking blood but not about giving eternal life.

If you say the Father gave Jesus the ability to give eternal life, that is something no other mortal person on earth has. It is again far and above what mortal man can do. Also, the passage isn't saying the Father gave Jesus the authority..it is saying Jesus gives eternal life.

Let me just say what Jesus says: For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. . . . Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. for as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. . . Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. [John 5:21,25,26,28,29]

God the Father has given the Son also to have life in himself (Greek - didomi - meaning to give, to give something to someone; of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage; to grant, give to one asking, let have; to supply, furnish, necessary things; to give over, deliver; . . . . and numerous more meanings in reference to giving someone something.

 

[brightfame52]

So while doctrines may vary, and interpretations may differ, let us not forget: it is Yeshua who saves. Not our systems. Not our labels. Just Him

Is Jesus God ?

 

[Affinity]

Is Jesus God ?

You bet. "Jesus is God" is a central tenet of mainstream Christianity, which holds that Jesus is both fully God and fully human, united in one person. This is part of the Christian doctrine of the Holy Trinity, which teaches that God exists as three co-equal, co-eternal persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.

 

[TomL]

You bet. "Jesus is God" is a central tenet of mainstream Christianity, which holds that Jesus is both fully God and fully human, united in one person. This is part of the Christian doctrine of the Holy Trinity, which teaches that God exists as three co-equal, co-eternal persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.

Amen

John 1:1–18 (NASB95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. 9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’ ” 16 For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. 17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

 

[Runningman]

Is Jesus God ?

No. Scripture teaches that Jesus is a human and that God is not a human.

Numbers 23
19God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Hosea 11
9I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

 

[Jim]

The problem is that we do not have experiential knowledge and understanding of the spirit or the spirit world. We do not really understand or comprehend much about our own spirit. But we trust God that He has given us a spirit just as He has said. The difference between us and Jesus is that each one of us is a physical being to whom God has given a spirit, our spirit. Jesus on the other hand was God, the Word, the Spirit, who took on the physical being of a man (John 1:14; Heb 2:14). So, in a very real sense, it was not the physical being of a man which the Word took on that was God; but rather it was the Spirit, the Word, that took on the physical being that was God.

We are a body with a spirit. Jesus was a Spirit with a body. It is that Spirit that was God who took on a body for a little while (Heb 2:7-9).

It is not an accident that God uses the same word, pneuma, for spirit as He uses for breath, breeze, wind. One knows the wind, not so much by what it is, but rather by what it does; the same can be said for Spirit (John 3:8).

It was in the physical body of a man that Jesus was the perfect sacrifice by which the Spirit of Jesus, i.e., God, saves us.