It does not say that. It says it's not by the will of man. We know flesh does not give birth to Spirit
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civic
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correct its only by pretexting can they believe what they believe. The context of every false belief from John 1:13, 6 and 10, Romans 8-9, Ephesians 1 when reading the surrounding verses actually disprove tulip. They only have the above few passages as their foundation which is built upon sinking sand.
They focus on a few buzz words in those passages. regeneration, predestination, elect, draw, chosen, sheep. That all they have and notice how they redefine them to fit their system.
or believing on Christ
as the elect superior version (sic) states
John 1:12 (ESV) — 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
The text in no way relates that to believing on Christ
And the fact faith precedes regeneration (life) refutes your theology
praise_yeshua
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No one is.....
The fact is, you are just like everyone else that was born of blood and flesh.
praise_yeshua
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The breath of God in humanity isn't blood and flesh. There is no life without the breath of God in all human beings.
Thanks captain obvious
Really? Man your good
Verse 13?
praise_yeshua
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You're assuming many things relative to your theology. You're working on the roof without any sense of foundation.
And verse 13 which expands on verse 12?
praise_yeshua
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The will of man didn't exist when Adam was formed and birthed from the breath of God.
civic
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yes you ignore 1:12
praise_yeshua
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Isn't it funny how you post about the "will of man" and then claim man doesn't have one.
Can you be consistent?
Johann
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Not a good try-read the Scriptures for yourself.
Who was Jesus "own?"
But as many as received Christ Jesus--
Joh 1:12 But δὲ as many as ὅσοι received ἔλαβον Him, αὐτόν, He gave ἔδωκεν to them αὐτοῖς authority ἐξουσίαν to be γενέσθαι, children τέκνα of God — Θεοῦ to those τοῖς believing πιστεύουσιν in εἰς His αὐτοῦ, - τὸ name, ὄνομα
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Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light in the darkness appears, and the darkness [it not overtook].
Joh 1:6 There existed a man being sent by God, the name to him -- John.
Joh 1:7 This one came for a witness that he should witness concerning the light, that all should believe through him.
Joh 1:8 [was not That one] the light, but that he should witness concerning the light.
Joh 1:9 [was The light true] which lightens every man coming into the world.
Joh 1:10 [in the world He was], and the world by him existed, and the world [him not knew].
Joh 1:11 Unto his own he came, and his own [him not received].
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, he gave to them authority [children of God to become], to the ones believing in his name;
Joh 1:13 the ones who not from blood, nor from will of flesh, nor from will of man, but from God were born.
Joh 1:14 And the word [flesh became], and tented among us, and we saw his glory, glory as an only child of the father, full of favor and truth.
Transliteration: elabon
Morphology: V-AIA-1S
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 1st Person Singular
Strong's no.: G2983 (λαμβάνω)
Meaning: (a) to receive, get, (b) to take, lay hold of.
As many as received him (hosoi elabon auton). Effective aorist active indicative of lambanō “as many as did receive him,” in contrast with hoi idioi just before, exceptional action on the part of the disciples and other believers.
To them (autois). Dative case explanatory of the relative clause preceding, an anacoluthon common in John 27 times as against 21 in the Synoptists. This is a common Aramaic idiom and is urged by Burney (Aramaic Origin, etc., p. 64) for his theory of an Aramaic original of the Fourth Gospel.
The right (exousian). In Joh_5:27 edōken (first aorist active indicative of didōmi) exousian means authority but includes power (dunamis). Here it is more the notion of privilege or right.
To become (genesthai). Second aorist middle of ginomai, to become what they were not before. Question-what preceded this action?
Children of God (tekna theou). In the full spiritual sense, not as mere offspring of God true of all men (Act_17:28). Paul’s phrase huioi theou (Gal_3:26) for believers, used also by Jesus of the pure in heart (Mat_5:9), does not occur in John’s Gospel (but in Rev_21:7). It is possible that John prefers ta tekna tou theou for the spiritual children of God whether Jew or Gentile (Joh_11:52) because of the community of nature (teknon from root tek-, to beget). But one cannot follow Westcott in insisting on “adoption” as Paul’s reason for the use of huioi since Jesus uses huioi theou in Mat_5:9. Clearly the idea of regeneration is involved here as in Joh_3:3.
Even to them that believe (tois pisteuousin). No “even” in the Greek, merely explanatory apposition with autois, dative case of the articular present active participle of pisteuō.
On his name (eis to onoma). Bernard notes pisteuō eis 35 times in John, to put trust in or on. See also Joh_2:23 and Joh_3:36 for pisteuō eis to onoma autou. This common use of onoma for the person is an Aramaism, but it occurs also in the vernacular papyri and eis to onoma is particularly common in the payment of debts (Moulton and Milligan’s Vocabulary). See Act_1:15 for onomata for persons.
RWP
1) "But as many as received him," (hosoi de elabon auton) "Yet as many as received him," or took him, the Son of God, as the Savior of the world who was to come. To receive Him, Jesus Christ, is identical with "believing on His name," or "calling on the name of the Lord," Rom_10:9-10; Rom_10:13.
2) "To them gave he power," (edoken autois eksousian) "He gave (doled out) to them the right, privilege, or prerogative;” This power of privilege exists in the gift of "faith" that God offers to every convicted sinner, by which he may become a child of God, or be saved, through his willing, volitional acceptance of that Divinely offered gift of faith, and placing it in Jesus Christ, Eph_2:8-9.
3) "To become the sons of God," (tekna theou genesthai) "To come to be children of God," to become, come to be something that they had not been before --children of the Highest One, the trinitarian God. In salvation, God takes the initiative and works creatively, in convicting the sinner by the wooing of the Holy Spirit, opening his understanding by the spirit and the Word, to bring to bear a sense of guilt upon the sinner, and offers him the gift of faith. When placed, by the sinner's choice and volition in Jesus Christ, that faith becomes belief to salvation, for every believer, 1Jn_5:1; Joh_3:16; Joh_3:18.
4) "Even to them that believe on his name:”- (tois pisteuousin eis to onoma autou) "To those who believe in his name," or trust in His authority, or His power to save. Those bearing the image of God (but children of the devil), may become children of God, "by faith in Christ Jesus," not by faith in Moses, the law, the church, baptism, or reformation, Gal_3:26; Rom_1:16; 2Pe_1:4-5.
Jn 1:12 (KJV) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
received
Mt 10:40 “He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me.
Mt 18:5 Whoever receives one such little child in my name receives me,
Col 2:6 As therefore you received Christ Jesus the Lord, walk in him,
to them
*Ro 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God.
*2Co 6:17-18 [17] Therefore “‘Come out from among them, and be separate,’ says the Lord. ‘Touch no unclean thing. I will receive you. [18] I will be to you a Father. You will be to me sons and daughters,’ says the Lord Almighty.”
*Ga 3:26 For you are all children of God, through faith in Christ Jesus.
*1Jn 3:1 See how great a love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God! For this cause the world doesn’t know us, because it didn’t know him.
Is 56:5 I will give them in my house and within my walls a memorial and a name better than of sons and of daughters. I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off.
Je 3:19 “But I said, ‘How I desire to put you among the children, and give you a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the armies of the nations!’ and I said, ‘You shall call me “My Father”, and shall not turn away from following me.’
Ho 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel will be as the sand of the sea, which can’t be measured or counted; and it will come to pass that, in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’
Ga 4:6 And because you are children, God sent out the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!”
2Pe 1:4 by which he has granted to us his precious and exceedingly great promises; that through these you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world by lust.
even
Jn 2:23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the Passover, during the feast, many believed in his name, observing his signs which he did.
Jn 3:18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only born Son of God.
Jn 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.
Mt 12:21 In his name, the nations will hope.”
Ac 3:16 By faith in his name, his name has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which is through him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
1Jn 3:23 This is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, even as he commanded.
1Jn 5:12 He who has the Son has the life. He who doesn’t have God’s Son doesn’t have the life.
Instead of resisting or fighting it-believe the Scriptures-without Calvinistic lenses-the Grammars clearly shows you what precedes what.
Kenny
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It is wonderful the way God works through us to show His love to others. I deal with a lot of street people that are pretty beaten up by the world.
And it's pretty obvious to tell, You can just see the defeated look on their face. I've been there done that so it's easy for me to share my testimony and give them strength in a hope that what Jesus did for me he wants to do for them. It's all about encouragement. Encouragement to seek Jesus because he's the answer. He's what we've been all looking for all of our lives. That God shaped hole inside of each of us.
A new creation that's what I'm talking about. Behold old things have passed away and all have become new.
So are you.
Still no verse 13. Avoiding it for obvious reasons.
Where have I said man has no will? Quote me
