A Favorite Reformed Doctrine

[Johann]

if they did then they would leave their present beliefs if the could be objective and unbiased.

I'm still working on to get rid of excess baggage and my own bias brother.

 

[civic]

I'm still working on to get rid of excess baggage and my own bias brother.

It sure is a blessing when we continue to reform our beliefs which means we are teachable and able to learn from God. You are in a good place in that you are working on it that says allot about you in a positive manner.

 

[Johann]

It sure is a blessing when we continue to reform our beliefs which means we are teachable and able to learn from God. You are in a good place in that you are working on it that says allot about you in a positive manner.

Amen-never a truer word said.

 

[Presby02]

I'm talking to the you... the "roofer". I'm more than capable of discuss anything you want to discuss about this "house" you're building.

Why are you starting with YOU... as the foundation when no man can lay any other foundation than Jesus Christ?

Your message always starts with "God has chosen me". Always.

Any time anywhere. Let's see what ya got. So far I am not impressed

 

[Presby02]

I'm still working on to get rid of excess baggage and my own bias brother.

Me to. Let's work together

 

[Presby02]

and it just shows God does the regenerating

while saying nothing about god effectually causin faith

Faith precedes regeneration

Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life



The following verses show faith precedes life

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

John 6:57 (KJV)
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Regeneration makes one a child of God. Born of God -

One is made a child of God through faith

John 1:12 (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 12:36 (KJV)
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Regeneration is a spiritual resurrection.



We are raised spiritually through faith

Colossians 2:12 (KJV)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

One is born again(regenerated) through faith in gospel

James 1:18 (KJV)
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


Regeneration is the mechanism of salvation

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

it is through faith we are saved

EPH 2:8 (KJV)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

.

Regeneration is preceded by remission of sin

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

which requires both faith and repentance

Acts 10:43 (KJV)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Luke 24:47 (KJV)
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 5:31 (KJV)
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

And that regenerating has nothing to do with the will of man. As it clearly spells out. You don't choose to be made alive.

 

[Presby02]

I'm not going to go back through every post you have made here. However, it is clear from what you've said that man can not operate apart from what is preordained.

Thusly, it is clear that your theology presents the narrative that man is controlled an unable to have his own will.

You basically falsely create a paradox wherein you claim man has this "theoretical will" but this "will" can never really operate of it's own accord. You teach it came from God and only operates according to God's will.

Any basically philosophical or Biblical discuss of "will"... REQURES freedom to act contrary to God.

So you lied or deliberately misrepresented me then right? That and don't make claims you cannot back up. Apology accepted

 

[Presby02]

I'm talking to the you... the "roofer". I'm more than capable of discuss anything you want to discuss about this "house" you're building.

Why are you starting with YOU... as the foundation when no man can lay any other foundation than Jesus Christ?

Your message always starts with "God has chosen me". Always.

Where have I ever said that given its in quotes. I will wait. The king of saying stupid things strikes again

 

[Presby02]

Nope as faith precedes regeneration

Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life



The following verses show faith precedes life

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

John 6:57 (KJV)
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Regeneration makes one a child of God. Born of God -

One is made a child of God through faith

John 1:12 (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 12:36 (KJV)
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Regeneration is a spiritual resurrection.



We are raised spiritually through faith

Colossians 2:12 (KJV)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

One is born again(regenerated) through faith in gospel

James 1:18 (KJV)
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


Regeneration is the mechanism of salvation

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

it is through faith we are saved

EPH 2:8 (KJV)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

.

Regeneration is preceded by remission of sin

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

which requires both faith and repentance

Acts 10:43 (KJV)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Luke 24:47 (KJV)
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 5:31 (KJV)
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Only Spirit gives birth to Spirit.

Nothing good comes from the flesh.

No one calls Christ Lord but by the Spirit.

 

[Johann]

Me to. Let's work together

More than willing brother.

 

[Presby02]

More than willing brother.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Any time anywhere. Let's see what ya got. So far I am not impressed

Impressing a novice equals what exactly?

You're not looking to change anything. You full of lies and hatred for your fellowman.

Satan certainly impresses you. I'm not looking to impress Satan.

"roofer".... Why do you insist on laying yourself as the foundation of your false gospel?

 

[praise_yeshua]

More than willing brother.

So you're more than willing to "work with" those who preach a false gospel?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Me to. Let's work together

What bias do you have? Care to list them?

I don't believe you think you have any.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Where have I ever said that given its in quotes. I will wait. The king of saying stupid things strikes again

If I were quoting your words exactly from a post you made, then I would use the forum feature that enables you to do that.

You always preach the "gospel"... (Notice the little g and the "quotes"........) that begins with YOU.

 

[praise_yeshua]

So you lied or deliberately misrepresented me then right? That and don't make claims you cannot back up. Apology accepted

Nope. What you believe is clear.

 

[TomL]

Only Spirit gives birth to Spirit.

Nothing good comes from the flesh.

No one calls Christ Lord but by the Spirit.

You are just repeating yourself

Nothing you say address the many scriptures which places faith before regeneration

 

[TomL]

And that regenerating has nothing to do with the will of man. As it clearly spells out. You don't choose to be made alive.

but belief does and it precedes regeneration

and it just shows God does the regenerating

while saying nothing about god effectually causin faith

Faith precedes regeneration

Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life



The following verses show faith precedes life

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

John 6:57 (KJV)
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Regeneration makes one a child of God. Born of God -

One is made a child of God through faith

John 1:12 (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 12:36 (KJV)
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Regeneration is a spiritual resurrection.



We are raised spiritually through faith

Colossians 2:12 (KJV)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

One is born again(regenerated) through faith in gospel

James 1:18 (KJV)
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


Regeneration is the mechanism of salvation

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

it is through faith we are saved

EPH 2:8 (KJV)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

.

Regeneration is preceded by remission of sin

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

which requires both faith and repentance

Acts 10:43 (KJV)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Luke 24:47 (KJV)
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 5:31 (KJV)
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

 

[Kenny]

Paul mentions "faith to faith" in Roman's chapter 1.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

I asked a trained Calvinist about Romans 1:17 decades ago and he rightfully couldn't explain these words relative to his own beliefs. It is impossible to believe Calvinism while ignoring the fact that revelation can not take place without the Gospel and the faithful's experience with the message of God to humanity. Contrary to Cain's comments, we are our brother's keeper.

I appreciate your enthusiasm. I do. Keep it up brother! God speed!

There's a song that I really like but I can't remember who performs it. I tried Google in it with no luck. But the main lyric I like is:

I'm not ashamed of the gospel I'm not ashamed of the one I love. I'm not ashamed anymore because I found Jesus.

Now that I have it running around my head i'll have to keep looking for it.

Found it

 

[Presby02]

Impressing a novice equals what exactly?

You're not looking to change anything. You full of lies and hatred for your fellowman.

Satan certainly impresses you. I'm not looking to impress Satan.

"roofer".... Why do you insist on laying yourself as the foundation of your false gospel?

Your right, I'm not looking to change anything. Who said I was.

Never claimed to laying the foundation of anything.

Is this post directed at someone else?