A different view from an unexpected source. Polycarp

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How much do you know about Polycarp?

Are you aware that he was a disciple of the Apostle John? According to Irenaeus and Jerome, he was literally a disciple of John The Apostle and ordained by John himself to lead the church in Smyrna.

He was born in 69AD and lived I believe to 155AD.

According to Wiki Polycarp (/ ˈpɒlikɑːrp /; Greek: Πολύκαρπος, Polýkarpos; Latin: Polycarpus; AD 69 - 155) was a Christian bishop of Smyrna. [2] According to the Martyrdom of Polycarp, he died a martyr, bound and burned at the stake, then stabbed when the fire failed to consume his body.

And this is all I am going to post about the man for that is not the reason for this post.

For things I have read this morning are things that we debate daily and here is some "new" contributions from someone who truly was back in the day.

#1 Polycarp, in his last prayer before martyrdom, acknowledged a tri-personal God, referring to the Father, His beloved Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, indicating an early understanding of the Trinity. His teachings reflect a belief in the distinct persons of the Godhead while affirming their unity as one God.

Yes, you read that right and as a disciple of the Apostle John this is what he came to understand.

Polycarp was discipled directly by an Apostle. Polycarp not only got to hear the eye witness testimony first hand but he also had access to its original writings. He was able to ask an Apostle himself to clarify certain things and able to get direct explanations of scripture. He had access to other eye witnesses of those who were raised from the dead and healed by Jesus or those who saw all the miracles first hand. Needless to say, his understanding and insight is directly link to the source; original scripture and apostles.

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Did the apostles believe God was a Trinity?​

• Our question​

  
  During Jesus's ministry, he gathered together an inner circle of disciples who were 12 in number, i.e. "the 12 apostles." These disciples were especially close to Jesus and were taught by him as students. We mean to ask here whether these close disciples of Jesus, apostles who went on to lead the church after Jesus died, taught that God was triune (i.e. one being endowed with three centers of consciousness, of which Jesus was one).

“Yes, after all…

• Polycarp affirms the Trinity​

  
  Polycarp affirms the trinity.1 This is relevant because Polycarp's teachings matched that of the apostles.
  

  1. • Polycarp (writting in c. AD 110-140): “May the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal High Priest Jesus Christ Himself, the Son of God, help you to grow in faith and truth, in unfailing gentleness and the avoidance of all anger, in patience and forbearance, and in calmness and purity. To you, and to ourselves as well, and to all those under heaven who shall one day come to believe in our Lord Jesus Christ and in His Father who raised Him from the dead, may He grant part and portion among His saints.” [Polycarp to the Phillipians Section 12]

• Clement affirms the Trinity​

  
  Clement affirms the trinity. This is relevant because Clement's teachings matched that of the apostles.1
  
  1. Consider three reasons to think their teachings largely matched:
     Irenaus reports that they matched.
     

     Irenaeus (writing in c. AD 180): “The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the church in Rome despatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles, proclaiming the one God, omnipotent, the Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man […][Against Heresies, Vol. 3, Ch. 3]

     Clement was bishop of Rome. This is relevant because this is unlikely if Clement did not know the apostles.
     The Clement in Phillippians is Clement of Rome.2 This is relevant because it indicates Clement's teachings matched Paul's (who wrote Phillipians), and this in turn is relevant because Paul's teachings matched the apostles. The reason to think the Clement in Phillians is the Clement of Rome is the following.
     
     
  2. The reason to think the Clement in Phillipians is Clement of Rome is as follows: both are associated with members of Caesar's houshold.
     • Clement of Rome is plausibly associated with members of Caesar's household (See names characteristic of household:
     

     • Clement (writing in AD 96): “Make haste and send our messengers, Claudius Ephebus, Valerius Vito, and Fortunatus, back to us in peace and joy…” [Epistle to the Corinthians Section 65]).
     • Clement: “As Nero belonged to the Claudian family, and his consort Messalina to the Valerian, several instances have been found of the two names Claudius (or Claudia) and Valerius (or Valeria) occurring in combination with reference to servants in the royal employment. Possibly this is the case here. It has even been conjectured that these two elderly envoys may have been among the members of 'Caesar's household' mentioned by St Paul in Philippians iv, 22.”

     • Clement in Phillipians is associated with members of Caesar's household (Philippians 4:22 “All the saints greet you, especially those of Caesar's household.”)

• Ignatius affirms the Trinity​

  
  Ignatius affirms the trinity.1 This is relevant because Ignatius's teachings matched that of the apostles.2
  

  1. • Ignatius (writing in AD 107): “There is only one Physician -- Very flesh, yet Spirit too; Uncreated, and yet born; God-and-Man in One agreed, Very-Life-in-Death indeed, Fruit of God and Mary’s seed; At once impassible and torn By pain and suffering here below; Jesus Christ, whom as our Lord we know.”[Epistle to Ephesians Section 7]
     • Ignatius (writing in AD 107): “Deaf as stones you were: yes, stones for the Father’s Temple, stones trimmed ready for God to build with, hoisted up by the derick of Jesus Christ (the cross) with the Holy Spirit for a cable; your faith being the winch that draws you to God, up the ramp of love.” [Epistle to Ephesians Section 9,]
     • Ignatius (writing in AD 107): “As for me, my spirit is now all humble devotion to the Cross: the Cross which so greatly offends the unbelievers, but is salvation and eternal life to us. Where is your wise man now, or your subtle debater? Where are the fine words of our so-called intellectuals? Under the divine dispensation, Jesus Christ our God was conceived by Mary of the seed of David and of the Spirit of God; He was born, and He submitted to baptism, so that by His passion He might sanctify water.” [Epistle to Ephesians Section 18]
     • Ignatius (writing in AD 107): “Glory be to Jesus Christ, the Divine One who has gifted you with such wisdom. I have seen how immovably settled in faith you are; nailed body and soul, as it were, to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ, and rooted and grounded in love by His blood. You hold the firmest convictions about our Lord; believing Him to be truly of David’s line in His manhood, yet Son of God by the Divine will and power, truly born of a Virgin; baptized by John for His fulfilling of all righteousness…”

  2. There are two reasons to think Ignatius's teachings matched the apostles:
     
     • Ignatius's teachings match Polycarp's. And this is relevant because [Polycarp's teachings matched the apostles].
     • Ignatius was a disciple of John. (He was a close friend with Polycarp, who was a disciple of John). And this is relevant becase John was an apostle.

• Mathetes affirms the Trinity​

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  [Put under: Apostles believed Jesus was God]
  Mathetes affirms that Jesus is Divine.1 This is relevant becaues Mathetes's teaching matched the apostles.2
  

  1. • Mathetes (writing between AD 130-2nd century): “How can anyone, who has been rightly taught and learnt to love the Word, not wish to be told the precise nature of the revelations which that Word so openly made to his disciples? Visibly present among them, the Word made His disclosures to them in the plainest of language; though unrecognized by the unbelieving, He disclosed without reserve to the disciples; and because they were reckoned faithful by Him, they came to know the mysteries of God. That was the purpose for which God sent the Word to be manifested to the world. He was despised by the Chosen people, but preached by the Apostles and believed in by the Gentiles. Though He has existed since the beginning, He came as one appearing newly; though we know Him to be from old, He is born ever anew in the hearts of His saints. This is He who is from everlasting, this is He who is accounted this day a Son. Through Him, the Church is enriched; abounding grace is multiplied among the saints, furnishing understanding, revealing mysteries, proclaiming times and seasons, and rejoicing over the faithful believers – the grace which is granted to every seeker who does not violate the vows of faith, or transgress the bounds fixed by the Fathers.” [Epistle to Diognetus, Section 11]

  2. [Immediately after the quote above]
     

     • Mathetes (writing between AD 130-2nd century): “Although I am an instructor of the Gentiles now, I was a pupil of the Apostles once; and what was delivered to me then, I now minister faithfully to students of the truth.” [Epistle to Diognetus, Section 11]

• Paul affirms the Trinity​

  
  Paul affirms the God is a Trinity. This is relevant because [Paul's teachings matched that of the apostles].

And last but not least

The Apostolic Fathers and the Deity of Christ | carm.org

The earliest Christian writers outside the New Testament, known as the Apostolic Fathers, clearly understood the scriptures to teach that Jesus is God.

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Now, I must note that the Roberts-Donaldson translation in the popular “Ante Nicene Fathers” collection renders the relevant phrase as simply “our Lord Jesus Christ” based on a minority of Latin manuscripts. In the majority of manuscripts, as well as the earliest and best of the manuscripts for this chapter, Polycarp refers to Jesus as both Lord and God. The classic translations of Lightfoot and Lake both affirm the reading “our Lord and God, Jesus Christ,” as do the more recent critical translations of Ehrman (2003), Holmes (2006), and Brannan (2010). The consensus of scholars is that the correct reading of Polycarp’s letter is “our Lord and God, Jesus Christ.”

According to the early reports of Polycarp’s martyrdom, he also prayed on the day of his death:

“Wherefore also I praise Thee for all things, I bless Thee, I glorify Thee, along with the everlasting and heavenly Jesus Christ, Thy beloved Son, with whom, to Thee, and the Holy Ghost, be glory both now and to all coming ages. Amen,” (The Encyclical Epistle of the Church at Smyrna Concerning the Martyrdom of the Holy Polycarp, Chapter 14).

Interestingly, there are also other lines of evidence beyond Polycarp’s own words. We also see in the letter from Ignatius of Antioch to Polycarp (cited above) multiple references to their common belief in Jesus as God. A later second-century church leader, Irenaeus of Lyons, claimed to have studied under Polycarp. Irenaeus likewise affirmed the deity of Christ.(For documentation of this, see our article Irenaeus and the Watchtower) Thus, in addition to his own words, we have circumstantial evidence in the words of Polycarp’s associates that the deity of Christ was not only his own belief but the common belief of those around him. They affirmed Jesus as the one true God.