A Challenge

[Keiw1]

Yep. You did.
Are you telling me that unless I bow to your understanding and perspective, I'm going to hell?
What makes you think I was unaware that the Bible contains over 31,100 verses, 1189 chapters, 66 books- 39 in the old, and 27 in the new?
I've been reading it for the purpose of understanding, learning, awareness and obedience for the past 46 years.

So, what part of the bible do you think I'm not understanding?


Let me ask you the following.

In philippians 3, Paul states,

Phi 3: 15 Therefore as many as are mature should be of this mind. And if you are minded in anything differently, even this God will reveal to you. 16 Nevertheless, to that which we have attained, we are to walk by the same.


How do you think I should handle this?

He's pretty clear that if we're missing something important, God is quite capable of ensuring that we get it.

Do you think that I'm not seeing what's important in following Jesus?

The whole reason there are hundreds of different religions claiming to be christian with hundreds of different truths= a mass of confusion-Why=a lack of holy spirit. In light of 1 Cor 1:10=Unity of thought( All of Gods 1 truth) no division=a true mark of the 1 single religion that has Jesus=1 single religion followed means those get holy spirt so God can guide them into all truth. The rest are darkness( the broad and spacious path)
Jesus teaches( he meant everything he taught)= Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God--this means In the religion that has Jesus, those taking the lead teach EVERY utterance( OT-NT) from God to the flock without fail. All can look this very minute and see if they are being taught by the teachers who listen to Jesus and teach EVERY utterance from God. If not-RUN FROM THEM. They are these-2Cor 11:12-15

 

[SteveB]

The whole reason there are hundreds of different religions claiming to be christian with hundreds of different truths= a mass of confusion-Why=a lack of holy spirit. In light of 1 Cor 1:10=Unity of thought( All of Gods 1 truth) no division=a true mark of the 1 single religion that has Jesus=1 single religion followed means those get holy spirt so God can guide them into all truth. The rest are darkness( the broad and spacious path)
Jesus teaches( he meant everything he taught)= Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God--this means In the religion that has Jesus, those taking the lead teach EVERY utterance( OT-NT) from God to the flock without fail. All can look this very minute and see if they are being taught by the teachers who listen to Jesus and teach EVERY utterance from God. If not-RUN FROM THEM. They are these-2Cor 11:12-15

Sounds like you're claiming that everyone should attend the same church and sit under the pastor as you.

I think this is what is leading to the problem you're having here with what I stated.

I never said that people can be saved without trusting Jesus to save us from our sin.

Quoting John 19:30, I stated that Jesus satisfied the righteous judgment of God, saying that sin is fully paid for.

Thus, the only sin that remains is the sin of unbelief and anyone who refuses to believe in Jesus will remain under condemnation for their sin, and perish accordingly. John 3:18-21.

So, get off your high horse, and pay closer attention.

 

[Keiw1]

Sounds like you're claiming that everyone should attend the same church and sit under the pastor as you.

I think this is what is leading to the problem you're having here with what I stated.

I never said that people can be saved without trusting Jesus to save us from our sin.

Quoting John 19:30, I stated that Jesus satisfied the righteous judgment of God, saying that sin is fully paid for.

Thus, the only sin that remains is the sin of unbelief and anyone who refuses to believe in Jesus will remain under condemnation for their sin, and perish accordingly. John 3:18-21.

So, get off your high horse, and pay closer attention.

And Hebrews 10:26 says-there is no sacrifice left for any who practice a sin. So twisting other parts never makes a whole truth, but learning and applying the whole bible makes truths.
These believe-Matt 7:22-23--but they work iniquity( practice a sin) and will hear those words as judgement.
One of the biggest problems are the blind guides, they are easily spotted-they tickle ears with the words-you are saved. Like Joel Osteen, he says--say 3 lines of prayer with me and you are saved, thousands watch him on tv, he knows 1% at best personally. Thus is telling workers of iniquity they are saved= pure lie. And they believe it and continue down the wrong path. So in reality he cost all of them their eternal lives in Gods kingdom by telling that lie. Is that light or darkness?

 

[SteveB]

And Hebrews 10:26 says-there is no sacrifice left for any who practice a sin. So twisting other parts never makes a whole truth, but learning and applying the whole bible makes truths.

Yeah, you're not actually reading my comments.
Have a great evening.

These believe-Matt 7:22-23--but they work iniquity( practice a sin) and will hear those words as judgement.
One of the biggest problems are the blind guides, they are easily spotted-they tickle ears with the words-you are saved. Like Joel Osteen, he says--say 3 lines of prayer with me and you are saved, thousands watch him on tv, he knows 1% at best personally. Thus is telling workers of iniquity they are saved= pure lie. And they believe it and continue down the wrong path. So in reality he cost all of them their eternal lives in Gods kingdom by telling that lie. Is that light or darkness?

 

[Keiw1]

Yeah, you're not actually reading my comments.
Have a great evening.

1Cor 1:10= 1 single religion has Jesus.

 

[SteveB]

1Cor 1:10= 1 single religion has Jesus.

Never said otherwise.
I've been talking about Jesus the whole time.
Where have you been?

 

[Brakelite]

Seems to me that you 2^^^ are effectually saying the same thing. Almost. The JWs among us don't want to believe there are genuine Christians in other denominations, who are going to heaven and occupying the new earth when it's recreated. Oh dear. That sounds a lot like Calvinists, and Catholics, and some charismatic sects. No-one is saved except us, because we have all the correct dogma.
I agree Steve. Jesus died, have His life for every single person who ever lived on this planet. The only thing stopping anyone from being ultimately saved is unbelief. And @Keiw1 , you are right, an integral part of belief is repentance and abiding Jesus. But there are going to be vast numbers who will be ultimately saved who didn't get all doctrine right.

 

[Keiw1]

Never said otherwise.
I've been talking about Jesus the whole time.
Where have you been?

Many talk about Jesus, yet few on earth knows what he actually taught.

 

[SteveB]

Many talk about Jesus, yet few on earth knows what he actually taught.

And let me guess, you've been let in on the really secret stuff, and only those in your secret crew know what he actually taught.

 

[Keiw1]

Seems to me that you 2^^^ are effectually saying the same thing. Almost. The JWs among us don't want to believe there are genuine Christians in other denominations, who are going to heaven and occupying the new earth when it's recreated. Oh dear. That sounds a lot like Calvinists, and Catholics, and some charismatic sects. No-one is saved except us, because we have all the correct dogma.
I agree Steve. Jesus died, have His life for every single person who ever lived on this planet. The only thing stopping anyone from being ultimately saved is unbelief. And @Keiw1 , you are right, an integral part of belief is repentance and abiding Jesus. But there are going to be vast numbers who will be ultimately saved who didn't get all doctrine right.

Yes Jesus death opened the door to all. Yet Jesus assures ALL--FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)
John 4:22-24--Jehovah( Father) only accepts worship in spirit and TRUTH. There would be no reason on earth for a true follower not to know all truth. Jesus assures that when he sends the holy spirit to his it will guide them into all truth, thus those without all truth are not his.
Dan 12:4--Truth becomes abundant here in these last days.

 

[SteveB]

Yes Jesus death opened the door to all. Yet Jesus assures ALL--FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)

Then why are you nitpicking me?

John 4:22-24--Jehovah( Father) only accepts worship in spirit and TRUTH. There would be no reason on earth for a true follower not to know all truth. Jesus assures that when he sends the holy spirit to his it will guide them into all truth, thus those without all truth are not his.

And?

Dan 12:4--Truth becomes abundant here in these last days.

Truth?
What translation are you using?
I have over 40 and they all say knowledge.

Dan 12:4 KJV But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Not one has the word- truth.
Greek, Hebrew Latin, etc...

 

[Brakelite]

Then why are you nitpicking me?


And?



Truth?
What translation are you using?
I have over 40 and they all say knowledge.

Dan 12:4 KJV But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Not one has the word- truth.
Greek, Hebrew Latin, etc...

Yes. This verse is specifically saying that there would come a time when knowledge concerning prophecy, in particular those of Daniel's that at the time were a mystery, would increase, I believe to the point where the prophecies of Daniel would be completely understood. Intimating that it refers to some general doctrinal truth unique to a specific group of people is a stretch.

 

[Keiw1]

Then why are you nitpicking me?


And?



Truth?
What translation are you using?
I have over 40 and they all say knowledge.

Dan 12:4 KJV But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Not one has the word- truth.
Greek, Hebrew Latin, etc...

True Knowledge is truth-False knowledge is error.

 

[SteveB]

True Knowledge is truth-False knowledge is error.

Ah, so how do we know that your Bible is the true Bible?
If your Bible is disagreeing with all the others, and they're all in agreement, I'm thinking that you have a serious problem.

 

[Keiw1]

Ah, so how do we know that your Bible is the true Bible?
If your Bible is disagreeing with all the others, and they're all in agreement, I'm thinking that you have a serious problem.

It means the same. Every translation on earth with Gods name( YHWH(Jehovah) removed in nearly 7000 spots are the altered versions. Altered to mislead.

 

[SteveB]

It means the same. Every translation on earth with Gods name( YHWH(Jehovah) removed in nearly 7000 spots are the altered versions. Altered to mislead.

So YHVH's name isn't actually YHVH?

 

[Keiw1]

So YHVH's name isn't actually YHVH?

In Hebrew its YHVH, we dont speak Hebrew. The same is in every Christian based bible-Yob=Job, Yeremiah=Jeremiah, etc, Except in the Hebrew language, no vowels were ever written, they were spoken.

 

[SteveB]

In Hebrew its YHVH, we dont speak Hebrew.

So, I'm not permitted to use his name, instead of his title?

The same is in every Christian based bible-Yob=Job, Yeremiah=Jeremiah, etc, Except in the Hebrew language, no vowels were ever written, they were spoken.

Yob, yes.
Yirmiyahu is Jeremiah's name.
Attached are the Hebrew names of the books of the bible, from a Jewish Bible website.

 

[Keiw1]

So, I'm not permitted to use his name, instead of his title?

Yob, yes.
Yirmiyahu is Jeremiah's name.
Attached are the Hebrew names of the books of the bible, from a Jewish Bible website.

You can use the Hebrew version if you want to.

 

[SteveB]

You can use the Hebrew version if you want to.

I have chosen the Bible apps I use because they contain all the translations I want.
Hebrew, Greek and Latin, included.