The Gospel According To The Mystery?

Precious @Complete, this raises a question, as EW Bullinger has:

"II. THE GOSPEL (or GOOD NEWS) OF THE KINGDOM.​

'To Abraham and his seed was the good news proclaimed, and the promise​
given that God would make of him a nation in whom all the families of the​
earth should be blessed' (Gen. 12:1-3)."​
This is problematic as he has "the beginning of the gospel of the kingdom"
with Abraham ( or before? ), but the Bible, as you have well pointed out, has
it in Mark 1:1 AV.

Thus, I will have to agree with The Bible instead of a man, eh?

Amen.
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You forgot to mention Acts 20:25, where Paul calls "the gospel of the grace of God", from verse 24, by another name - "preaching the kingdom", which means the gospel of the kingdom of God. Same gospel, only Paul calls it a different name,
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@Grace ambassador
@dwight92070

Hello both,

I believe that the Holy Spirit uses His words in Scripture with great care, and that He says what He means and means what He says: So if He uses the words 'the gospel of the grace of God', 'the gospel of the kingdom', or any of the other variant in reference to the gospel, it is with purpose, and therefore should not be disregarded.

We can say with truth that there is only one gospel, in that whether Jew or Gentile, all men are sinners, and that it is only God, in and through Christ Jesus our risen Lord, that can save, and that there is only One Offering that provides the basis of such a salvation. Yet it would be wrong to disregard the differences that are observable in it's proclamation, wouldn't it? For are we not told to try the things that differ? :-

1) The gospel of the Kingdom - (Matt. 4:23).
2) The gospel of Jesus Christ ... the Kingdom of God - (Mark 1:1,14).
3) The gospel preached to every creature with signs following - (Mark 16:15,17,18)
4) The gospel of God - (Rom. 1:1).
5) The gospel of His Son - (Rom. 1:9).
6) The gospel of Christ - (Rom. 1:16).
7) My gospel - (Rom. 2:16; 16:25; 2 Tim. 2:8).
8) The glorious gospel or the gospel of the Glory of Christ - (2 Cor. 4:4).
9) The gospel of the Uncircumcision - (Gal 2:7).
10) The gospel of the Circumcision - (Gal. 2:7).
11) The gospel of the grace of God - (Acts 20:24).
12) The gospel of your salvation - (Eph. 1:13).
13) The gospel of peace - (Eph. 6:15).
14) The gospel of the Glory of the Blessed God - (1 Tim. 1:11).
15) The Everlasting gospel - (Rev. 14:6).

* See also, Ephesians 3:6 and 2 Timothy 1:10-11, where the gospel is defined as that of which Paul had been a minister, a preacher, an apostle and a teacher of the Gentiles.

* So @dwight92070 I do not agree that the gospel of the grace of God and the gospel of the Kingdom are one and the same.
* and @Grace ambassador, Dr Bullinger, like you and I, is merely a man voicing the results of his own study of the Scriptures isn't he? but none the less is worthy of notice, as are you and I, and more so, because of the degree of His scholarship and dedication to the work of the Lord in His day: but I agree, as He would undoubtedly do if He were here, that the word of God must be the Arbiter in all matters of doctrine, and not the words of mere men.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris :)
 
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mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine Part 1

Original Word: μυστήριον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Definition: a mystery or secret doctrine
Usage: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.

3466 mystḗrion (the root of the English term, "mystery") – mystery. In the Bible, a "mystery" (3466/mystḗrion) is not something unknowable. Rather, it is what can only be known through revelation, i.e. because God reveals it.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Colossians 1:15-23
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church. 25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness— 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people. 27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.28 He is the one we proclaim, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone fully mature in Christ. 29 To this end I strenuously contend with all the energy Christ so powerfully works in me.

Colossians 2:1-5
I want you to know how hard I am contending for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally. 2 My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments. 5 For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how disciplined you are and how firm your faith in Christ is.

Colossians 2:9-10
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

Ephesians 3:1-12
For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles—2 Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3 that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence..14 For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.

A secret hidden doctrine in the O.T. revealed by His Spirit in the N.T. The great Mystery revealed in the N.T.- Christ
Hello @civic,

Thank you again, for both your entries. However, I had to take a close look at both the KJV and the ASV in relation to the wording of Ephesians 3:2-13 that you quoted, and compare them; for when reading your entry I noticed that you appeared not to differentiate between, 'The Mystery', and 'The Mystery of Christ'; but considered both as being one mystery, and not the two that they are.

'The mystery of Christ' to which Paul referred, was made known to all of the Apostles and Prophets of the New Testament, including himself, and was the subject also of the Old Testament Prophets, therefore searchable, though requiring the enlightenment of the Spirit of God (1 Peter 1:12). Whereas 'The Mystery', which Paul was then making known, following divine revelation, was not the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, and was therefore 'unsearchable', either in the gospels, the earlier Pauline epistles or those of the other Apostles. It was made known to Paul only, as the Lord's Prisoner, to whom a dispensation was given, a stewardship, to make known 'the fellowship (ie., dispensation) of the mystery' (Eph. 3:8-9; Col. 1:26), which had been 'hid in God' since the world began, therefore referred to as the 'unsearchable riches of Christ'.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris​
 
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You forgot to mention Acts 20:25, where Paul calls "the gospel of the grace of God", from verse 24, by another name - "preaching the kingdom", which means the gospel of the kingdom of God. Same gospel, only Paul calls it a different name,
'But none of these things move me,
.. neither count I my life dear unto myself,
.... so that I might finish my course with joy,
...... and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus,
........ to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
And
now, behold, I know that ye all,
.. among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God,
.... shall see my face no more.
...... Wherefore I take you to record this day,
........ that I am pure from the blood of all men.
.......... For I have not shunned to declare unto you
............ all the counsel of God.'

(Act 20:24-27)

Hello again, @dwight92070,

I didn't forget to mention Acts 20:25, but simply used the two terms that I did as examples to make my point. How could I forget such a gospel as 'the gospel of the grace of God' ? Being the good news of such wondrous grace! to Jews who deserved only wrath, and to Gentiles who deserved nothing. As you have pointed out this term, 'the gospel of the grace of God' was introduced in Acts 20:25, at the end of the approx. 40 year Acts period, and the beginning of Paul's second ministry, one that would be marked by imprisonment and affliction.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
@civic, good post

Look what I read last night:

Numbers 11:29
Then Moses said to him, “Are you zealous for my sake? Oh, that all the Lord’s people were prophets and that the Lord would put His Spirit upon them!”

The two mysteries that are unique to the New Covenant are that all God's people do receive the Holy Spirit, and that the Gentiles are included.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
 
@civic, good post

Look what I read last night:

Numbers 11:29
Then Moses said to him, “Are you zealous for my sake? Oh, that all the Lord’s people were prophets and that the Lord would put His Spirit upon them!”

The two mysteries that are unique to the New Covenant are that all God's people do receive the Holy Spirit, and that the Gentiles are included.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
Amen
 
Precious @Complete, thanks again, I appreciate the Bullinger 'link', but I could not "find his
teaching" on The Mystery of Christ "being revealed/misunderstood in the OT"? - I searched
113. The Kingdom and the Church, 192. The Pauline epistles, and 193. The Mystery, but it
was "not found" 😪 -- The Closest was in:

195. The Different Ages and Dispensations of God's Dealings With man:

"A dispensation, administration, or arrangement, during a portion of chronos may, or may not,
be equal to kairos, according as the context determines. Nothing but confusion can arise from reading into one dispensation that which relates to another. [ @Grace ambassador Agrees! ]

To connect with [ what? ] God said and did in one dispensation with another, in which His administration was on an altogether different principle, is to ensure error. And finally, to take
doctrine of late revelation and read it into the time when it was "hidden" leads to disaster.

[ @Grace ambassador not only agrees, But Totally Agrees! ]

The nations, Israel the Chosen Nation, and the church (Ap. 186) are each dealt with in distinct
"times" and on distinct principles, and the doctrine relating to each must be kept distinct.

When our Lord speaks ( Luke 21:24) of "the times (kairos) of the Gentiles", the implication is
that there are times of the Jews (under Messiah, Isa. 33:6, &c.), whatever be the contrasted
elements. So that what is recorded as connected with the times of the Jews is not necessarily
applicable to the times of the Gentiles. [ @Grace ambassador Agrees! ]

The present administration of God is in grace, not in law, judgment, or glory, and belongs
to the "dispensation" (oikonomia) of the Mystery (Ap. 193), that secret "which hath been hid
from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints" (Col. 1:26), that
secret "which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men" (Eph. 3:5). Hid in
God from the beginning of the world (see Eph.3:9), it was kept secret since the world began
(see Rom. 16:25).

[ Excellent, and found no hint of The Mystery Of Christ “being revealed/misunderstood in OT"? ]

There is no authority for taking enactments Divinely fitted for the times of the Jews and
transferring them to the present dispensation of God in grace. Similarly, the endeavor to read
the precepts of the "Sermon on the Mount" (Matt. 5-7), which are the laws of the kingdom of
heaven (see Ap. 114), into such church epistles as Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, not only
obscures the truth, but antagonizes one part of Scripture with another." (credit: EW Bullinger)

{ @Grace ambassador Agrees and Also adds:

Reading Prophecy for Israel 'into any of Paul's [
13 All Co-hesive ] Love Letters
[ From Christ! ]
to the Church Which Is His Body', "not only obscures The Truth,
but antagonizes one part of Scripture with
another." (EWB) Amen! }

Conclusion:

Thus we seek, as Bullinger does, to avoid “ensuring error, Confusion, Disaster,
and Antagonizing
Scripture”, by standing with what The Scripture [ leaving
“The Mystery Of Christ” In God’s Context of an “heretofore Unrevealed
(“Hid In God”) / But Now Revealed” Word Of The LORD ], simply Says:

-----------
“For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ​
for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of The Dispensation​
of The Grace of God which is given me to you-ward:​
How that By Revelation he made known unto me The Mystery;​
(as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may​
understand my knowledge in The Mystery of Christ) Which in
other ages was Not made known unto the sons of men, As It
Is Now Revealed Unto His holy apostles and prophets By The Spirit;​
[ And, Thus The Gospel [ Good News/Glad Tidings ] Of The Grace Of
God, According To The Revelation Of The Mystery Of Christ Is ]:
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of The Same Body, and​
partakers of His Promise in Christ by the Gospel: Whereof I was made​
a minister, According To The Gift of The Grace of God Given Unto me​
By The Effectual Working of His Power.​
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is This Grace Given,​
that I should preach among the Gentiles The Unsearchable Riches of Christ;​
And to make all men see what is The Fellowship of The Mystery, Which from​
the beginning of the world Hath Been Hid in God, Who Created all things By​
Jesus Christ” (Ephesians 3:1-9 AV)​

[ With Christ As "Head Of That 'Same Body' { with Jew and Gentile EQUAL } His
"One New man," The Grace Church, Since Paul to the present day, with our
Heavenly Hope...
] *
↑↑↑↑↑
Mystery ( "Hid In God" Before the foundation of the world! ) *
Rightly Divided
(2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!" (online):

Prophecy { made known "since the foundation of the world!" } *
↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓ Searchable riches ↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
The Earthly hope of Israel where "God Revealed/Prophesied" The King and His Kingdom,
with
Israel "being Prominent over the Gentiles," God "Blessing the world through them!" *

* All Pertinent Scriptures are already posted in Briefly - Right Division + Much More
{ 24 Distinctions / Differences }; thanks.
---------
Also Please Also note that:

We well agree with EW Bullinger's ending statement: "Well may we exclaim with Paul, --

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How​
unsearchable are His judgments and His Ways past finding out! For who hath​
known The Mind of The Lord? Or who hath been His counselor? Or who hath​
first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of Him,​
and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to WHOM BE GLORY FOR EVER.​
AMEN."​
And, Amen! Praise His Holy Name, Now and For Ever More!!

Sincerely yours, And Securely His, In Christ!!
Brother ChrisE
 
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Precious @Complete, thanks again, I appreciate the Bullinger 'link', but I could not "find his
teaching" on The Mystery of Christ "being revealed/misunderstood in the OT"? - I searched
113. The Kingdom and the Church, 192. The Pauline epistles, and 193. The Mystery, but it
was "not found" -- The Closest was in:

195. The Different Ages and Dispensations of God's Dealings With man:

"A dispensation, administration, or arrangement, during a portion of chronos may, or may not,
be equal to kairos, according as the context determines. Nothing but confusion can arise from reading into one dispensation that which relates to another. [ @Grace ambassador Agrees! ]

To connect with [ what? ] God said and did in one dispensation with another, in which His administration was on an altogether different principle, is to ensure error. And finally, to take
doctrine of late revelation and read it into the time when it was "hidden" leads to disaster.

[ @Grace ambassador not only agrees, But Totally Agrees! ]

The nations, Israel the Chosen Nation, and the church (Ap. 186) are each dealt with in distinct
"times" and on distinct principles, and the doctrine relating to each must be kept distinct.

When our Lord speaks ( Luke 21:24) of "the times (kairos) of the Gentiles", the implication is
that there are times of the Jews (under Messiah, Isa. 33:6, &c.), whatever be the contrasted
elements. So that what is recorded as connected with the times of the Jews is not necessarily
applicable to the times of the Gentiles. [ @Grace ambassador Agrees! ]

The present administration of God is in grace, not in law, judgment, or glory, and belongs
to the "dispensation" (oikonomia) of the Mystery (Ap. 193), that secret "which hath been hid
from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints" (Col. 1:26), that
secret "which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men" (Eph. 3:5). Hid in
God from the beginning of the world (see Eph.3:9), it was kept secret since the world began
(see Rom. 16:25).

[ Excellent, and found no hint of The Mystery Of Christ “being revealed/misunderstood in OT"? ]

There is no authority for taking enactments Divinely fitted for the times of the Jews and
transferring them to the present dispensation of God in grace. Similarly, the endeavor to read
the precepts of the "Sermon on the Mount" (Matt. 5-7), which are the laws of the kingdom of
heaven (see Ap. 114), into such church epistles as Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, not only
obscures the truth, but antagonizes one part of Scripture with another." (credit: EW Bullinger)

{ @Grace ambassador Agrees and Also adds:

Reading Prophecy for Israel 'into any of Paul's [
13 All Co-hesive ] Love Letters
[ From Christ! ]
to the Church Which Is His Body', "not only obscures The Truth,
but antagonizes one part of Scripture with
another." (EWB) Amen! }

Conclusion:

Thus we seek, as Bullinger does, to avoid “ensuring error, Confusion, Disaster,
and Antagonizing
Scripture”, by standing with what The Scripture [ leaving
“The Mystery Of Christ” In God’s Context of an “heretofore Unrevealed
(“Hid In God”) / But Now Revealed” Word Of The LORD ], simply Says:

-----------
“For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ​
for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of The Dispensation​
of The Grace of God which is given me to you-ward:​
How that By Revelation he made known unto me The Mystery;​
(as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may​
understand my knowledge in The Mystery of Christ) Which in
other ages was Not made known unto the sons of men, As It
Is Now Revealed Unto His holy apostles and prophets By The Spirit;​
[ And, Thus The Gospel [ Good News/Glad Tidings ] Of The Grace Of
God, According To The Revelation Of The Mystery Of Christ Is ]:
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of The Same Body, and​
partakers of His Promise in Christ by the Gospel: Whereof I was made​
a minister, According To The Gift of The Grace of God Given Unto me​
By The Effectual Working of His Power.​
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is This Grace Given,​
that I should preach among the Gentiles The Unsearchable Riches of Christ;​
And to make all men see what is The Fellowship of The Mystery, Which from​
the beginning of the world Hath Been Hid in God, Who Created all things By​
Jesus Christ” (Ephesians 3:1-9 AV)​

[ With Christ As "Head Of That 'Same Body' { with Jew and Gentile EQUAL } His
"One New man," The Grace Church, Since Paul to the present day, with our
Heavenly Hope...
] *
↑↑↑↑↑
Mystery ( "Hid In God" Before the foundation of the world! ) *
Rightly Divided
(2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!" (online):

Prophecy { made known "since the foundation of the world!" } *
↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓ Searchable riches ↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
The Earthly hope of Israel where "God Revealed/Prophesied" The King and His Kingdom,
with
Israel "being Prominent over the Gentiles," God "Blessing the world through them!" *

* All Pertinent Scriptures are already posted in Briefly - Right Division + Much More
{ 24 Distinctions / Differences }; thanks.
---------
Also Please Also note that:

We well agree with EW Bullinger's ending statement: "Well may we exclaim with Paul, --

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How​
unsearchable are His judgments and His Ways past finding out! For who hath​
known The Mind of The Lord? Or who hath been His counselor? Or who hath​
first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of Him,​
and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to WHOM BE GLORY FOR EVER.​
AMEN."​
And, Amen! Praise His Holy Name, Now and For Ever More!!

Sincerely yours, And Securely His, In Christ!!
Brother ChrisE
'And the angel answered and said unto her,
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,
and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also That Holy Thing which shall be born of thee
shall be called the Son of God.'

(Luk 1:35)

Hello @Grace ambassador.

I do love your closing words, ''Sincerely yours and Securely His, in Christ!!' What blessed assurance we have, don't we? in Christ Jesus our risen and glorified Lord and Head. How secure is our salvation, and how sure our hope! For it is all founded on God's word, and rests on the person and work of the Living Word. I love reading the words of John in his epistle concerning the Lord Jesus Christ:-

'That which was from the beginning,
.. which we have heard,
.... which we have seen with our eyes,
...... which we have looked upon,
........ and our hands have handled,
.......... of the Word of life;

(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness,
and shew unto you that eternal life,
which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you,
that ye also may have fellowship with us:
and truly our fellowship is with the Father,
and with His Son Jesus Christ.'

(1John 1:1-3)

* He recognised and gloried in the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ was and is,' The Living Word'. Praise His Holy Name! That He and the rest of the disciples had seen Him in the flesh, had handled Him, heard the word of life from His Own lips. To which John bore witness thankfully, with awe and wonder.

* We no longer know Christ after the flesh, but glory in knowing Him in the spirit, don't we? We are in Him, partaking of Him our glorified Head, rejoicing in Him, filled, like John, with wonder, love and praise.

* I thank you for your response regarding, The Mystery of Christ', and, 'The Mystery' referred to and acknowledged by Paul in Ephesians 3. I confess that I don't always understand what you say, Grace ambassador, because of the different way you express yourself: but I think we are in agreement, and if we are not, the Lord knows, and we are in His beloved hands. May His will be done. This is a moment for praise and rejoicing for me obviously, for my heart can do no other at the moment. For which I thank and praise Him!!

With love in Christ Jesus
our living and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
 
" Hidden" is not necessarily an indication that God hasn't revealed the information previously. It is often an indication that such "facts/truths" were "hidden" from humanity due to unbelief.

It is simply an indication that what was revealed just wasn't believed. There are many reasons as to why something was "hidden" from someone.

1. Their own unbelief
2. As a descendent of a family that refused to pass knowledge along to their children

Any information that isn't believed is "hidden" from anyone. It really is never an indication that God didn't tell someone a very long time ago. The Truth of God existed from the beginning. Adam lived to see 7 generations of his descendants grow and thrive with God. In the seventh generation of mankind there was a rejection of the knowledge of God. Thusly, we have Enoch preaching Christ as found in the little book of Jude.

Jesus spoke of how the Truth of God was hidden but it was within context of those who refused to continue what they had learned about God.

For example, Christ criticized two disciples on the road to Emmaus.

Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Notice the phrase "slow of heart". They were slow to give their hearts to know what He had said.

Yet he went through the Scriptures that they already had among them and appealed to words that had long been revealed to their parents.

Unbelief damns.

As parents, we have told our children many many times about what is in their future. Yet, they refuse to believe us. When what we advise our children of comes to pass, they didn't even believe/trust us enough to even remember what we told them.

Same is true with God.
 
Hello @civic,

Thank you again, for both your entries. However, I had to take a close look at both the KJV and the ASV in relation to the wording of Ephesians 3:2-13 that you quoted, and compare them; for when reading your entry I noticed that you appeared not to differentiate between, 'The Mystery', and 'The Mystery of Christ'; but considered both as being one mystery, and not the two that they are.

'The mystery of Christ' to which Paul referred, was made known to all of the Apostles and Prophets of the New Testament, including himself, and was the subject also of the Old Testament Prophets, therefore searchable, though requiring the enlightenment of the Spirit of God (1 Peter 1:12). Whereas 'The Mystery', which Paul was then making known, following divine revelation, was not the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, and was therefore 'unsearchable', either in the gospels, the earlier Pauline epistles or those of the other Apostles. It was made known to Paul only, as the Lord's Prisoner, to whom a dispensation was given, a stewardship, to make known 'the fellowship (ie., dispensation) of the mystery' (Eph. 3:8-9; Col. 1:26), which had been 'hid in God' since the world began, therefore referred to as the 'unsearchable riches of Christ'.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris​

Just making sure that you're issue here is the phrase "hid in God"?

There is a similar phrase used by Paul in

Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Do you know anything about that life "with Christ in God" yet future? I believe we know a great deal already.

I would submit that "hid in God" is not the fact there hasn't been revelation. It is simply an indication that the revelation is/was incomplete and now we have more information. There is still more information to come.

The "picture" is clearer now in the openly manifest work of Christ. However, this is not an indication that it was never known before. It most certainly was known by faithful men. God preached before the Gospel to Abraham.

The unbelief of some has made a huge impact upon mankind.
 
Just making sure that you're issue here is the phrase "hid in God"?

There is a similar phrase used by Paul in

Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Do you know anything about that life "with Christ in God" yet future? I believe we know a great deal already.

I would submit that "hid in God" is not the fact there hasn't been revelation. It is simply an indication that the revelation is/was incomplete and now we have more information. There is still more information to come.

The "picture" is clearer now in the openly manifest work of Christ. However, this is not an indication that it was never known before. It most certainly was known by faithful men. God preached before the Gospel to Abraham.

The unbelief of some has made a huge impact upon mankind.
'Wherefore I also,
after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus,
and love unto all the saints,
Cease not to give thanks for you,
making mention of you in my prayers;
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Father of glory,
may give unto you
the spirit of wisdom and revelation
in the knowledge of Him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened;
that ye may know
what is the hope of His calling,
and what the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe,
according to the working of His mighty power,
Which He wrought in Christ,
when He raised Him from the dead,
and set Him at His Own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion,
and every name that is named,
not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under His feet,
and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.'

(Eph 1:18-23)

Hello @praise_yeshua, - [re:- #29 & #30],

Thank you for your responses.

I believe that the Bible contains the sum of all Divine revelation for mankind.
I believe also that the believer who has had the eyes of their understanding 'enlightened' needs to pray the prayer quoted above: For, 'the spirit of wisdom and revelation,' is a vital requirement to understand the truth contained in the letters written by Paul while the Prisoner of the Lord for the Gentiles: Namely Ephesians, Philippians & Colossians; also 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon. For what is contained within them, is the subject of Divine revelation given to Paul exclusively, as the Lord's Steward, for Him to administer to those who are both 'saints' and 'faithful' in Christ Jesus, their Lord and Head.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'Wherefore I also,
after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus,
and love unto all the saints,
Cease not to give thanks for you,
making mention of you in my prayers;
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Father of glory,
may give unto you
the spirit of wisdom and revelation
in the knowledge of Him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened;
that ye may know
what is the hope of His calling,
and what the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe,
according to the working of His mighty power,
Which He wrought in Christ,
when He raised Him from the dead,
and set Him at His Own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion,
and every name that is named,
not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under His feet,
and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.'

(Eph 1:18-23)

Hello @praise_yeshua, - [re:- #29 & #30],

Thank you for your responses.

I believe that the Bible contains the sum of all Divine revelation for mankind.

Has God ever spoken to your spirit through the Holy Spirit to lead and guide you? He has me. I don't use it as evidence in a debate but God leads me. I'm sure He leads you. We learn at God's feet. The Scriptures provide guidance and I don't believe God acts contrarily to what is revealed in the Scriptures. However, the Scriptures are written about men that found the leadership of God. In their own lives.

The only way you will find you place in the "Body of Christ" is through the direct and Divine leadership of God through the Spirit of God. Just making the point.

I believe also that the believer who has had the eyes of their understanding 'enlightened' needs to pray the prayer quoted above: For, 'the spirit of wisdom and revelation,' is a vital requirement to understand the truth contained in the letters written by Paul while the Prisoner of the Lord for the Gentiles: Namely Ephesians, Philippians & Colossians; also 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon. For what is contained within them, is the subject of Divine revelation given to Paul exclusively, as the Lord's Steward, for Him to administer to those who are both 'saints' and 'faithful' in Christ Jesus, their Lord and Head.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Peace shall lead you. Peace comes from two sources. God and the comfort found in other men's love and leadership.

God is always right. Other men, not even close. A "stranger" will they not follow.
 
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