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'And He (the risen Christ) said unto them (the twelve),
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents;
and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them,
he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them,
and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.'

(Mar 16:15-20)

Hello there,

The commission which I have quoted above, is held by some to be the commission for the church today. Do you believe so? If so, perhaps you would tell me why you believe it to be so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'And He (the risen Christ) said unto them (the twelve),
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents;
and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them,
he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them,
and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.'

(Mar 16:15-20)

Hello there,

The commission which I have quoted above, is held by some to be the commission for the church today. Do you believe so? If so, perhaps you would tell me why you believe it to be so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Yes, I believe it because Jesus Himself gave Christians this “great commission” to preach the gospel to everyone!—Yes, to tell every one of God’s creation about Jesus Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. IMG_5750.gif

selah
 
Hello @Selah,

Thank you for responding to the OP. :)

The Lord Jesus Christ gave that commission (quoted in the OP) to the disciples, who had been called, and chosen and proved faithful. Yet there were three separate commissions given:-

The first in Luke 24:47:-
'And that repentance and remission of sins
should be preached in His Name among all nations,
beginning at Jerusalem',​

... given to the twelve, and also to 'them that were with them' (Luke 24:33): this commission was a continuation of His own ministry and that of John the Baptist (Matt. 22:1-10). They were to proclaim 'repentance and remission of sins'; the new covenant had been made, which made this message of pardon possible (Matt.26:26-29, Mark 14:22-25; Luke 22:14-23, Acts 3:19), first in Jerusalem, and then to all nations. This was done by Peter (Acts 2:38; 3:19 & ch.).

The second recorded in Mark 16:15-18:-
'And He said unto them,
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In My Name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents;
and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.'

... given when the Lord appeared to the Eleven as they 'sat at meat'; and carried out by 'them that heard Him', as foretold in Matt. 22:4-7, and fulfilled in Mark 16:20, as confirmed in Hebrews 2:3-4. The Acts of the Apostles being the inspired record of the fulfilment of this commission by the twelve Apostles, and fulfilled before the destruction of the Temple and of Jerusalem.

The third recorded in Matt. 28: 19,20:-
'Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father,
and of the Son,
and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto the end of the world. Amen.'

... was given 'on a mountain in Galilee' and was the proclamation of the King, Who had left Jerusalem, according to the parable (Luke 19:12), until He returns in power to set up His kingdom (26:64). It is the call to the Gentile nations to submit to the Lord Jesus, as the King of Israel, according to Psalm 2:10-12. It is the proclamation of 'the Gospel of the Kingdom' for a witness to all nations, immediately before the end of the age (Matt. 24:14, Rev. 14:6). It is still future in its application, and proclaims the judgment on the Gentiles for the final deliverance of Israel, according to Psalm 2:9, when verse 6, shall be fulfilled:- 'Yet have I set My King upon My holy hill of Zion;' (Psa 2:6)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris


Ref: The Companion Bible App. 167.
 
The second recorded in Mark 16:15-18:-
'And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.And these signs shall follow them that believe; In My Name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.'
... given when the Lord appeared to the Eleven as they 'sat at meat'; and carried out by 'them that heard Him', as foretold in Matt. 22:4-7, and fulfilled in Mark 16:20, as confirmed in Hebrews 2:3-4. The Acts of the Apostles being the inspired record of the fulfilment of this commission by the twelve Apostles, and fulfilled before the destruction of the Temple and of Jerusalem.
the apostles spoke with a new tongue on the day of Pentecost, not the OTHER TONGUE, but they also spoke with a new tongue. for the Promise of the H/S was for all who believe, not just for Jews only. Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

101G.
 
the apostles spoke with a new tongue on the day of Pentecost, not the OTHER TONGUE, but they also spoke with a new tongue. for the Promise of the H/S was for all who believe, not just for Jews only. Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

101G.
'But Peter, standing up with the eleven,
lifted up his voice, and said unto them,
Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem,
be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:'

(Act 2:14)

'Ye men of Israel, hear these words;
Jesus of Nazareth, '

(Act 2:22a)

'And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost,
and began to speak with other tongues,
as the Spirit gave them utterance.
And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews,
devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Now when this was noised abroad,
the multitude came together, and were confounded,
because that every man heard them speak in his own language.'

(Act 2:4-6)

Hello @101G,

This was being spoken at the feast of Pentecost, when only Jews would have been present, Jews from many different countries who had arrived in Jerusalem for the feast: For this was a feast instituted by God, which it was incumbent upon the children of Israel to keep throughout their generations. You quote Act 2:39-40:-

'For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off,
even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying,
Save yourselves from this untoward generation.'

(Act 2:39-40)

Those to whom Peter spoke these words were Jews, and those referred to with the words, 'to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call', were still Jews, but Jews of the diaspora, many of whom were there in Jerusalem at that time. Peter and the eleven remaining disciples were being equipped for their role as those who had heard the Lord speak, and witnessed the works that God had done through Him, and had also witnessed His resurrection and ascension up far above all heavens. It was they who were given the ability to speak in the tongues of those present, that they may hear and believe the testimony that they had to give concerning the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ, Whom they had been with from the beginning, which they had heard, which they had seen with their own eyes, looked upon and handled, of the Word of life (1 John 1:1-3). Tongue speaking was therefore a practical necessity.

* It would be about ten years later that God would give Peter instruction to go to Cornelius and his household (Gentiles) with the word of life, but here at Pentecost the intended hearers were exclusively of the children of Israel.

'That which was from the beginning,
.. which we have heard,
.... which we have seen with our eyes,
...... which we have looked upon,
........ and our hands have handled,
.......... of the Word of life;
(For the life was manifested,
and we have seen it, and bear witness,
and shew unto you that eternal life,
which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us )

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you,
that ye also may have fellowship with us:
and truly our fellowship is with the Father,
and with his Son Jesus Christ.'

(1John 1:1-3)

Praise God!

I realise that I am only confirming what you know already, but it is good to do.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off,
even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying,
Save yourselves from this untoward generation.'

(Act 2:39-40)

Hello again @101G,

Looking at the reference (above) that you referred to in your response to me, and the words highlighted, 'even as many as the Lord our God shall call'. I remember that God was calling out a remnant out of Israel at that time, from that generation, as God tells us through Paul in the epistle to the Romans.

There will come a time when ALL Israel shall be saved, but throughout the gospel and the Acts period, only a remnant were being called out, to be overcomers in their generation.

'Esaias also crieth concerning Israel,
Though the number of the children of Israel
be as the sand of the sea,
a remnant shall be saved:'

(Rom.9:27)

'Even so then at this present time also
there is a remnant
according to the election of grace.'

(Rom 11:5)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'But Peter, standing up with the eleven,
lifted up his voice, and said unto them,
Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem,
be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:'

(Act 2:14)

'Ye men of Israel, hear these words;
Jesus of Nazareth, '

(Act 2:22a)

'And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost,
and began to speak with other tongues,
as the Spirit gave them utterance.
And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews,
devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Now when this was noised abroad,
the multitude came together, and were confounded,
because that every man heard them speak in his own language.'

(Act 2:4-6)

Hello @101G,

This was being spoken at the feast of Pentecost, when only Jews would have been present, Jews from many different countries who had arrived in Jerusalem for the feast: For this was a feast instituted by God, which it was incumbent upon the children of Israel to keep throughout their generations. You quote Act 2:39-40:-

'For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off,
even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying,
Save yourselves from this untoward generation.'

(Act 2:39-40)

Those to whom Peter spoke these words were Jews, and those referred to with the words, 'to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call', were still Jews, but Jews of the diaspora, many of whom were there in Jerusalem at that time. Peter and the eleven remaining disciples were being equipped for their role as those who had heard the Lord speak, and witnessed the works that God had done through Him, and had also witnessed His resurrection and ascension up far above all heavens. It was they who were given the ability to speak in the tongues of those present, that they may hear and believe the testimony that they had to give concerning the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ, Whom they had been with from the beginning, which they had heard, which they had seen with their own eyes, looked upon and handled, of the Word of life (1 John 1:1-3). Tongue speaking was therefore a practical necessity.

* It would be about ten years later that God would give Peter instruction to go to Cornelius and his household (Gentiles) with the word of life, but here at Pentecost the intended hearers were exclusively of the children of Israel.

'That which was from the beginning,
.. which we have heard,
.... which we have seen with our eyes,
...... which we have looked upon,
........ and our hands have handled,
.......... of the Word of life;
(For the life was manifested,
and we have seen it, and bear witness,
and shew unto you that eternal life,
which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us )

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you,
that ye also may have fellowship with us:
and truly our fellowship is with the Father,
and with his Son Jesus Christ.'

(1John 1:1-3)

Praise God!

I realise that I am only confirming what you know already, but it is good to do.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Hi C, and thanks for the reply. if you would note at Pentecost.... Acts 2:6 "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language." Acts 2:7 "And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?" Acts 2:8 "And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?" Acts 2:9 "Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia," Acts 2:10 "Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes," Acts 2:11 "Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." Acts 2:12 "And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?" Acts 2:13 "Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine." Acts 2:14 "But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:" Acts 2:15 "For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day." Acts 2:16 "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;" Acts 2:17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:" (STOP, TIMOTHY was a GREEK, for his father was Greek, but his Mother Jewish). and many who came was not all JEWS, THIS WAS THE GOOD NEWS). Acts 2:18 "And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:" Acts 2:19 "And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:" Acts 2:20 "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:" Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." Acts 2:22 "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:"

let's keep on reading, Acts 2:41 "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:42 "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." Acts 2:43 "And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles." Acts 2:44 "And all that believed were together, and had all things common;" Acts 2:45 "And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need." Acts 2:46 "And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart," Acts 2:47 "Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."

now many was added to the church... right... chapter 6. Acts 6:1 "And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration." (Where did these Grecians came from?), Acts 6:2 "Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables." Acts 6:3 "Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business." Acts 6:4 "But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word."

and these Gentiles that was appointed were FULL of the HOLY SPIRIT, just as the apostle Peter stated. Just as the Ethiopia, the eunuch who by the Mosaic Law was prohibit from worship. and he did not know of ..*Isaiah 56:3, see below. Acts 8:26 "And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert." Acts 8:27 "And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,"

*Isaiah 56:3 "Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree."

101G
 
Looking at the reference (above) that you referred to in your response to me, and the words highlighted, 'even as many as the Lord our God shall call'. I remember that God was calling out a remnant out of Israel at that time, from that generation, as God tells us through Paul in the epistle to the Romans.
this is the church in the "Wilderness", at Revelation chapter 12. and Daniel 12:11 & 12, after the Persecution from Pentecost which include Jews and Gentiles.

101G
There will come a time when ALL Israel shall be saved, but throughout the gospel and the Acts period, only a remnant were being called out, to be overcomers in their generation.
ALL, but not "EVERY" one but all Israel will be save, but the question is now... "WHO IS ISRAEL?".

keep up the good work. and thanks.....

101G.
 
Hello 101G,

Thank you for these reading from Acts. Yes, there were as you have pointed out, Jews and Proselytes (converts to Judaism) present at Pentecost.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Hello 101G,

Thank you for these reading from Acts. Yes, there were as you have pointed out, Jews and Proselytes (converts to Judaism) present at Pentecost.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
Greeting my brother in Christ. there were many Gentiles in Jerusalem, not only in the Military as was with captain Corneliu. many seek to speak to the Lord Jesus. this is recorded in John 12:20 "And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:" John 12:21 "The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus." John 12:22 "Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus." John 12:23 "And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified." John 12:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit." John 12:25 "He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal." John 12:26 "If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour."

again 101G thank you for your foresight. well done.
101G.
 
this is the church in the "Wilderness", at Revelation chapter 12. and Daniel 12:11 & 12, after the Persecution from Pentecost which include Jews and Gentiles.

101G

ALL, but not "EVERY" one but all Israel will be save, but the question is now... "WHO IS ISRAEL?".

keep up the good work. and thanks.....

101G.
'For the promise is unto you,
and to your children,
and to all that are afar off,
even as many as the Lord our God shall call.'

(Act 2:39)

Hello again @101G,

The promise referred to (above) being that promised in the previous verse, 'Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ' I agree that Acts 2:39 has a wider application than I gave it in reply #6.

* I am looking at your references to the 'wilderness' in Revelation 20:6 & 14, within their context, and Daniel 12:11-12, but surely these two references have a yet future application. The words, 'the church in the wilderness' being found in Acts 7:38, in relation to Moses at mount Sinai. I believe both references in Revelation 20, and Acts 7:38 are referring to the children of Israel.

* In regard to your question, 'Who is Israel?' I believe that the words, 'the children of Israel' covers it.

Thank you @101G
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'For the promise is unto you,
and to your children,
and to all that are afar off,
even as many as the Lord our God shall call.'

(Act 2:39)

Hello again @101G,

The promise referred to (above) being that promised in the previous verse, 'Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ' I agree that Acts 2:39 has a wider application than I gave it in reply #6.

* I am looking at your references to the 'wilderness' in Revelation 20:6 & 14, within their context, and Daniel 12:11-12, but surely these two references have a yet future application. The words, 'the church in the wilderness' being found in Acts 7:38, in relation to Moses at mount Sinai. I believe both references in Revelation 20, and Acts 7:38 are referring to the children of Israel.

* In regard to your question, 'Who is Israel?' I believe that the words, 'the children of Israel' covers it.

Thank you @101G
In Christ Jesus
Chris
first thanks for the reply. second, "* I am looking at your references to the 'wilderness' in Revelation 20:6 & 14, within their context, and Daniel 12:11-12, but surely these two references have a yet future application."
Daniel 12:9 "And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end." Daniel 12:10 "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." Daniel 12:11 "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." Daniel 12:12 "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days." Daniel 12:13 "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days."

after the stoning of our brother Stephen the people scattered, because the thousand two hundred and ninety days was after Christ commission, the GENTILES CHURCHES was established. listen, Revelation 11:1 "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein." Revelation 11:2 "But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

101G.
 
'And He (the risen Christ) said unto them (the twelve),
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents;
and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them,
he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them,
and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.'

(Mar 16:15-20)

Hello there,

The commission which I have quoted above, is held by some to be the commission for the church today. Do you believe so? If so, perhaps you would tell me why you believe it to be so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
If I understand your 'question' then I will say, "No."

There is a tendency of Christians to believe such commands by Jesus Christ to His eleven disciples is a "great commission" that is commanded of every born-again Christian, and this is very far from the truth for it negates the biblical teaching concerning calling and spiritual gifts.
What am I saying? Take a look:

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Romans 11:29.

God does the calling thus negating the heretical widespread theology of Romans 10:9-10, that a person can 'self-call' or 'choose' God from a place of sin and being a sinner. No one can 'choose' God or self-will themselves to become saved just by "accepting Jesus into [your] heart." Saul says that "no man seeketh God" and Jesus Himself says in John 3 "neither cometh to Christ." God does the calling. It is His prerogative and His will in the matter of salvation and redemption is Sovereign.

God also places the born-again believer into the body (of Christ.)

7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 1 Corinthians 12:7.

What is manifested? The Presence of the Holy Spirit in the believer. And He comes bearing gifts. It is the Presence of the Holy Spirit and the gifts He brings to a believer that is manifested and through which one profits.
Saul continues:

14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 1 Corinthians 12:14–15.

Saul likens the Church as a body, and he adds several points to consider in his description. Every body part has a function. The eye for seeing, the foot for standing and walking and holding the body up. But there's more:

17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
1 Corinthians 12:17.

The human body has many parts (members.) And not every one is an eye or ear. God gifts the believer as He wills.

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 1 Corinthians 12:18.

Since the "great commission" is assigned to the mouth we are not all given the calling and gifting to be a mouth and "preach" or herald to everyone you meet testimony about Jesus and what He's done in Scripture and in your life. I hold to the gold standard of instruction that is incompliance with Scripture:

15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 1 Peter 3:15.

And that if they are not asking "of the hope in you" then SAY NOTHING! Consider your calling if you know and the gifts given you by the Holy Spirit to accomplish your call if you know. Yes, it comes down to knowledge. And this is important because it is the difference between knowing your calling and your spiritual gifts. And this requires discipleship and being taught from Scripture to understanding your calling and spiritual gifts. And if in the course of your walk with the Lord He has not revealed these things to you then you must wait upon the Lord and continue being discipled under the anointing.

The teaching to a "great commission" is a lie, a falsehood, a misunderstanding of the Word of God. We are NOT all apostles of the Lord; we do not ALL have the same calling and spiritual gifts. We are not all "eyes" and "ears" and "foot." The eye cannot do what the elbow can do and vice versa.
Each of the eleven disciples were commanded to "be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" Acts 1:8. THAT was their instruction, not yours. Don't insert yourself into the narrative and claim that you are to do what the eleven disciples did as THEY WERE instructed above. Do your own work [quietly] and don't be a busy body. YOU MUST BE DISCIPLED! Commit your way unto the Lord and as you do so every day and with proper biblical instruction try to discern your calling and the spiritual gifts you possess to accomplish that call. All these things require you to be involved in a biblical Church.
As for me I KNOW my calling and I KNOW my spiritual gifts. From the moment of my being born-again it took me seventeen years before the Lord revealed to me my calling, and five more years to confirm my calling. And in that fifth year He also revealed my spiritual gifts to me through prophecy. There is a internal witness and an external witness. But we must ALL WAIT upon the Lord.
Let's see how you respond to these things before I go on.
 
@Complete - ref:- OP quote:-
'The commission which I have quoted above, is held by some to be the commission for the church today.
Do you believe so? If so, perhaps you would tell me why you believe it to be so.'
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If I understand your 'question' then I will say, "No."​
Hello @jeremiah1five,

I agree.

1)There is a tendency of Christians to believe such commands by Jesus Christ to His eleven disciples is a "great commission" that is commanded of every born-again Christian, ...​
* This is indeed the case.
... and this is very far from the truth for it negates the biblical teaching concerning calling and spiritual gifts.​
* I do not understand what you mean by this jeremiah1five. The twelve had been commissioned and equipped for the task allotted to them, when they were previously 'sent' in Matthew 10:1. Their calling and equipping is very clear.
What am I saying? Take a look:-​
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Romans 11:29.​
God does the calling thus negating the heretical widespread theology of Romans 10:9-10, that a person can 'self-call' or 'choose' God from a place of sin and being a sinner. No one can 'choose' God or self-will themselves to become saved just by "accepting Jesus into [your] heart." Saul says that "no man seeketh God" and Jesus Himself says in John 3 "neither cometh to Christ." God does the calling. It is His prerogative and His will in the matter of salvation and redemption is Sovereign.​
'For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:
but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.'

(Rom 11:27-29)

* This verse is referring to the nation of Israel, who in regard to election, were and still are, beloved for the Fathers' sakes, though enemies of the gospel.

* Salvation is surely not a matter of 'self-will', but begins with a God given conviction of sin, and an awareness within of the need of a saviour: Enlightenment is given regarding the provision of God in the all sufficient sacrifice of God's Own Beloved Son, Christ Jesus the Lord, Who died and rose again, thus opening up the way of salvation to all who come to Him for forgiveness of sins, and salvation through His Name.

God also places the born-again believer into the body (of Christ.)​
'But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us wisdom,
and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'

(1Cor. 1:30-31)

* The believer is placed, 'in Christ Jesus', in spirit: Praise God!
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 1 Corinthians 12:7.​
What is manifested? The Presence of the Holy Spirit in the believer. And He comes bearing gifts. It is the Presence of the Holy Spirit and the gifts He brings to a believer that is manifested and through which one profits.​
Saul continues:
14 For the body is not one member, but many.​
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 1 Corinthians 12:14–15.​
Saul likens the Church as a body, and he adds several points to consider in his description. Every body part has a function. The eye for seeing, the foot for standing and walking and holding the body up. But there's more:
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?​
1 Corinthians 12:17.​
The human body has many parts (members.) And not every one is an eye or ear. God gifts the believer as He wills.
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 1 Corinthians 12:18.​
Since the "great commission" is assigned to the mouth we are not all given the calling and gifting to be a mouth and "preach" or herald to everyone you meet testimony about Jesus and what He's done in Scripture and in your life. I hold to the gold standard of instruction that is incompliance with Scripture:
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 1 Peter 3:15.​
And that if they are not asking "of the hope in you" then SAY NOTHING! Consider your calling if you know and the gifts given you by the Holy Spirit to accomplish your call if you know. Yes, it comes down to knowledge. And this is important because it is the difference between knowing your calling and your spiritual gifts. And this requires discipleship and being taught from Scripture to understanding your calling and spiritual gifts. And if in the course of your walk with the Lord He has not revealed these things to you then you must wait upon the Lord and continue being discipled under the anointing.
The teaching to a "great commission" is a lie, a falsehood, a misunderstanding of the Word of God. We are NOT all apostles of the Lord; we do not ALL have the same calling and spiritual gifts. We are not all "eyes" and "ears" and "foot." The eye cannot do what the elbow can do and vice versa.
Each of the eleven disciples were commanded to "be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" Acts 1:8. THAT was their instruction, not yours. Don't insert yourself into the narrative and claim that you are to do what the eleven disciples did as THEY WERE instructed above. Do your own work [quietly] and don't be a busy body. YOU MUST BE DISCIPLED! Commit your way unto the Lord and as you do so every day and with proper biblical instruction try to discern your calling and the spiritual gifts you possess to accomplish that call. All these things require you to be involved in a biblical Church.
As for me I KNOW my calling and I KNOW my spiritual gifts. From the moment of my being born-again it took me seventeen years before the Lord revealed to me my calling, and five more years to confirm my calling. And in that fifth year He also revealed my spiritual gifts to me through prophecy. There is a internal witness and an external witness. But we must ALL WAIT upon the Lord.
Let's see how you respond to these things before I go on.
'When they therefore were come together, (the disciples)
they asked of Him, saying,
Lord, wilt Thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?'

(Acts 1:6)

* Having received instruction by the risen Christ for forty days (Acts 1:3), following His quickening and resurrection from the dead, concerning, 'The Kingdom of God', it was quite natural for the disciples to ask this question: But instead of giving them an answer to that question, which was not for them to know; The Lord tells them of their own empowerment by the Holy Spirit, to perform the function for which they had been chosen:-

And He said unto them,
It is not for you to know the times or the seasons,
which the Father hath put in His Own Power.
But ye shall receive power,
after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:
and ye shall be witnesses unto me
both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria,
and unto the uttermost part of the earth
.'

(Act 1:6-8)

* We can see in Hebrews 2, evidence of this having been fulfilled in them:-

'How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;
which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,
and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him;
God also bearing them witness,
both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles,
and gifts of the Holy Ghost,
according to His Own Will?

(Heb. 2:3-4)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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this is the church in the "Wilderness", at Revelation chapter 12. and Daniel 12:11 & 12, after the Persecution from Pentecost which include Jews and Gentiles.

101G

ALL, but not "EVERY" one but all Israel will be save, but the question is now... "WHO IS ISRAEL?".

keep up the good work. and thanks.....

101G.
'And there were dwelling at Jerusalem
Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven
.
Now when this was noised abroad,
the multitude came together, and were confounded,
because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another,
Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia,
and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene,
and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues
the wonderful works of God.'

(Act 2:5-11)

Hello @101G and @jeremiah1five & @Selah,

Jews and proselytes from the nations listed (above) were in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost. So much time is devoted to considering this fact: Yet it is what was spoken, heard and seen during that period that matters most, isn't it? Which is revealed at the end of the quote above:- 'The Wonderful Works Of God.' It is this that was the subject of the utterances heard, and substantiated by the works performed. God was being magnified, and His Name glorified in the gospel concerning His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'And there were dwelling at Jerusalem
Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven
.
Now when this was noised abroad,
the multitude came together, and were confounded,
because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another,
Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia,
and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene,
and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues
the wonderful works of God.'

(Act 2:5-11)

Hello @101G and @jeremiah1five & @Selah,

Jews and proselytes from the nations listed (above) were in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost. So much time is devoted to considering this fact: Yet it is what was spoken, heard and seen during that period that matters most, isn't it? Which is revealed at the end of the quote above:- 'The Wonderful Works Of God.' It is this that was the subject of the utterances heard, and substantiated by the works performed. God was being magnified, and His Name glorified in the gospel concerning His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
Wonderful works of God include the Song of Moses and Miriam and of Mary, Elizabeth, and Zachariah, et.al.
All they did was recount what God did in Israel's past. And that's what is recorded. Any testimony of God will always be biblical histories in their culture. Whatever "wonderful works of God" will definitely be things every Hebrew/Jew was taught from Scripture which is why they were able to recognize them.

I'm sure that what they experienced (tongues, Spirit-immersion - which are the "wonderful works of God) is a verbal historical correlation of what they know from their Scripture. These 'songs' are also a recitation of "wonderful works of God." In other words, their tongues and Spirit-immersion which they experienced is recorded in Scripture as prophecy and their experience is fulfillment.
 
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Hello @jeremiah1five,

I agree.


* This is indeed the case.

* I do not understand what you mean by this jeremiah1five. The twelve had been commissioned and equipped for the task allotted to them, when they were previously 'sent' in Matthew 10:1. Their calling and equipping is very clear.

'For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:
but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.'

(Rom 11:27-29)

* This verse is referring to the nation of Israel, who in regard to election, were and still are, beloved for the Fathers' sakes, though enemies of the gospel.
OK. That's the "calling" part. Now, what are the "gifts"? Are they not everything God promised such as land, name great, etc?
* Salvation is surely not a matter of 'self-will', but begins with a God given conviction of sin, and an awareness within of the need of a saviour:
You begin as a monergist and end as a synergist as though the person now must "respond" to the revealed "need" for a Savior. God is already their Savior. They know this. Nothing's changed. There is no need to respond to God as their Savior as though now that God has made the first move in making such "need" evident that now they must exercise a will to "accept." Nothing could be further from the truth. The New Covenant mentioned by Jeremiah describes Israel's redemption as clearly ALL done by God with no room for any kind of response to completing their salvation. When the high priest sprinkled the people with the blood of the sacrifice there were no one in the crowd choosing not to be stained by the blood. And I use the word "stained" the same as it is translated in Revelation "dipped" in chapter 19. It is deliberate and purposed. In Revelation Jesus' "vesture dipped in blood" has nothing to do with the cross but is the blood of those Jesus kills as a result of His return. He is in hand-to-hand direct combat against His enemies as any Jewish soldier fighting the Gentiles God brings against His people in war when He suddenly appears and comes down to directly engage in warfare. Zechariah provides more info in chapter 14.
At any rate, Israel's redemption has already been concluded ("it is finished!") and all that's left is application as in the application of the blood of the sacrifice the high priest sprinkled upon the people. No one was in the crowd who could refuse it. There was nobody in the crowd saying, "No, don't sprinkle me! I don't want the blood" as though they had any say in it.
Enlightenment is given regarding the provision of God in the all sufficient sacrifice of God's Own Beloved Son, Christ Jesus the Lord, Who died and rose again, thus opening up the way of salvation to all who come to Him for forgiveness of sins, and salvation through His Name.
There you go again with "to all that come to Him." Man's will is non-existent. Everyone who is of the seed of Abraham is "covered" by the salvation God made happen. Every Hebrew that come to the age of accountability (14 for boys, 13 for girls) are taught that if you are of the descendant of Jacob (and Isaac and Abraham) there's nothing you can do to change your destiny. It's in the family and you are born into it.
'But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us wisdom,
and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'

(1Cor. 1:30-31)

* The believer is placed, 'in Christ Jesus', in spirit: Praise God!

'When they therefore were come together, (the disciples)
they asked of Him, saying,
Lord, wilt Thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?'

(Acts 1:6)

* Having received instruction by the risen Christ for forty days (Acts 1:3), following His quickening and resurrection from the dead, concerning, 'The Kingdom of God', it was quite natural for the disciples to ask this question: But instead of giving them an answer to that question, which was not for them to know; The Lord tells them of their own empowerment by the Holy Spirit, to perform the function for which they had been chosen:-

And He said unto them,
It is not for you to know the times or the seasons,
which the Father hath put in His Own Power.
But ye shall receive power,
after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:
and ye shall be witnesses unto me
both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria,
and unto the uttermost part of the earth
.'

(Act 1:6-8)

* We can see in Hebrews 2, evidence of this having been fulfilled in them:-

'How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;
which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,
and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him;
God also bearing them witness,
both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles,
and gifts of the Holy Ghost,
according to His Own Will?

(Heb. 2:3-4)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
Man's will didn't matter. It all came down to this one thing. Are "you" related to Abraham was the deciding factor if someone was to be redeemed. It couldn't be changed, and no one was taught "you" can "come to Him" or not. Circumcision didn't matter. What mattered was whether or not someone was related to Abraham. The covenant was also with Abraham's seed and so it was ethnic. If you were related to Abraham, you were destined for salvation without fail. No one could "choose" to be saved. When your number comes up at the appointed time you will be called and gifted. No one had power nor authority to change that fact. If "you" were related to Abraham "you" couldn't un-son or un-daughter yourself from being related to Abraham.
 
'And He (the risen Christ) said unto them (the twelve),
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents;
and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them,
he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them,
and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.'

(Mar 16:15-20)

Hello there,eeeee

The commission which I have quoted above, is held by some to be the commission for the church today. Do you believe so? If so, perhaps you would tell me why you believe it to be so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Torah was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which was the main focus of his ministry, and which is in accordance with Jesus being sent in fulfillment of the promise to turn us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), and which he commissioned his disciples to preach to every creature. Likewise, Paul also taught the Gospel of the Kingdom based on the Torah (Acts 14:21-22, 20:24-25, 28:23, Romans 15:4, 18-19). Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21), so him graciously teaching us to be a doer of the Torah is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it, which is why all who believe and is baptized shall be saved.
 
OK. That's the "calling" part. Now, what are the "gifts"? Are they not everything God promised such as land, name great, etc?
'For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:
but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.'

(Rom 11:27-29)

Hello @jeremiah1five,

Yes, I see what you mean now. Yes the gifts and calling of God, in regard to the nation of Israel, were the land, etc.,
You begin as a monergist and end as a synergist as though the person now must "respond" to the revealed "need" for a Saviour. God is already their Saviour. They know this. Nothing's changed. There is no need to respond to God as their Saviour as though now that God has made the first move in making such "need" evident that now they must exercise a will to "accept." Nothing could be further from the truth. The New Covenant mentioned by Jeremiah describes Israel's redemption as clearly ALL done by God with no room for any kind of response to completing their salvation.​
* I am answering as a Gentile who has been saved by the grace of God, saved from sin and it's consequences, and from the wrath to come. I have been promised life in Christ Jesus, and as a member of the Church which is the Body of Christ, of which He is the Head, I have also been promised every spiritual blessing, in Christ Jesus.

* The gifts and calling of God, to Israel, are, as you say already in place, which they will enter into upon their salvation which will be received when they come to repentance and enter into the new covenant.
When the high priest sprinkled the people with the blood of the sacrifice there were no one in the crowd choosing not to be stained by the blood. And I use the word "stained" the same as it is translated in Revelation "dipped" in chapter 19. It is deliberate and purposed. In Revelation Jesus' "vesture dipped in blood" has nothing to do with the cross but is the blood of those Jesus kills as a result of His return. He is in hand-to-hand direct combat against His enemies as any Jewish soldier fighting the Gentiles God brings against His people in war when He suddenly appears and comes down to directly engage in warfare. Zechariah provides more info in chapter 14.​
At any rate, Israel's redemption has already been concluded ("it is finished!") and all that's left is application as in the application of the blood of the sacrifice the high priest sprinkled upon the people. No one was in the crowd who could refuse it. There was nobody in the crowd saying, "No, don't sprinkle me! I don't want the blood" as though they had any say in it.​
There you go again with "to all that come to Him." Man's will is non-existent. Everyone who is of the seed of Abraham is "covered" by the salvation God made happen. Every Hebrew that come to the age of accountability (14 for boys, 13 for girls) are taught that if you are of the descendant of Jacob (and Isaac and Abraham) there's nothing you can do to change your destiny. It's in the family and you are born into it.​
* I am speaking as a Gentile believer.
Man's will didn't matter. It all came down to this one thing. Are "you" related to Abraham was the deciding factor if someone was to be redeemed. It couldn't be changed, and no one was taught "you" can "come to Him" or not. Circumcision didn't matter. What mattered was whether or not someone was related to Abraham. The covenant was also with Abraham's seed and so it was ethnic. If you were related to Abraham, you were destined for salvation without fail. No one could "choose" to be saved. When your number comes up at the appointed time you will be called and gifted. No one had power nor authority to change that fact. If "you" were related to Abraham "you" couldn't un-son or un-daughter yourself from being related to Abraham.​
Yes, I am aware that the covenant was made with Abraham's seed: But I am thankful that like Abraham, I believe God: and like Abraham it will be counted unto me for righteousness; In Christ Jesus my Saviour, Lord and Head.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:
but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.'

(Rom 11:27-29)

Hello @jeremiah1five,

Yes, I see what you mean now. Yes the gifts and calling of God, in regard to the nation of Israel, were the land, etc.,

* I am answering as a Gentile who has been saved by the grace of God, saved from sin and it's consequences, and from the wrath to come. I have been promised life in Christ Jesus, and as a member of the Church which is the Body of Christ, of which He is the Head, I have also been promised every spiritual blessing, in Christ Jesus.
If you are truly born-again by the Spirit and Christ dwells in you, then you would not be Gentile but a mixed-heritage Hebrew who has at least one Hebrew parent in your family ancestry. God did scatter His people into Gentile lands and there was at least one time that for 15-20 generations of offspring of Jews would have to intermingled with Gentiles and like Samaritans, mixed-heritage Hebrews were born. The Scripture records God making covenant with Abram the Hebrew and with his Hebrew seed. Sarah was also from the family of Eber from where we get "Hebrew" from. That is called the Abraham Covenant. Later, God made covenant with the children of Israel in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle. This is the Mosaic Covenant. Later, Jeremiah prophesy's a New Covenant between God and the House of Israel (ten northern kingdom tribes), and the House of Judah (two southern kingdom tribes.) But I find no covenant between God and non-Hebrews in Scripture. Do you?
* The gifts and calling of God, to Israel, are, as you say already in place, which they will enter into upon their salvation which will be received when they come to repentance and enter into the new covenant.

* I am speaking as a Gentile believer.
If you are truly born-again you are not Gentile. God promised nothing to Gentiles. God never promised the Spirit of Promise to non-Hebrew Gentiles according to Joel. The Spirit of Promise was promised to Israel according to Joel. God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. I find no such covenant in Scripture. Do you?
Yes, I am aware that the covenant was made with Abraham's seed: But I am thankful that like Abraham, I believe God: and like Abraham it will be counted unto me for righteousness; In Christ Jesus my Saviour, Lord and Head.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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