Zechariah 14 and the Gospel

[praise_yeshua]

2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. (Zech. 14:2 NKJ)

Like Jerusalem the literal physical city was literally taken, houses were literally rifled, women were literally raped, and the literally went into captivity.

Listen. I'm angry with the way you approach truth. I don't want to be wrong about you. You obvious know more than this other person does. We can agree to disagree and still make some progress on this.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. (Zech. 14:2 NKJ)

Like Jerusalem the literal physical city was literally taken, houses were literally rifled, women were literally raped, and the literally went into captivity.

actually those things did happen.

Thats what prophecy does.

God tells us, these things will happen. and this is how and what will happen.

And it is amazing, because no one can really just make things up. You have to see every thing happen.

 

[Dizerner]

Why call me friend. We are dramatically opposed in this. It is nothing more than a debate tactic. You don't really consider me a friend. That is more lies.

I'm called to love my enemies, friend.

Just because you don't treat me well, or respect me, doesn't mean I can't treat you well.

You don't have that power over me—sorry.

I don't care what Fred Miller said. He is wrong too. Both of you are wrong.

He has literal photocopies of the Scroll, dude, it is not about his personal interpretative whatever.

You're so nonsensical half the time, it's like talking to a random text generator.

I don't need either of you to explain away the ramifications of lying. I know them well. It is why I don't do it.\

Except neither I nor anyone else I mentioned was excusing or justifying it, and you are completely full of yourself.

I'm glad you never make mistakes.... NOT

Get outta here with your nonsense.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You're running away and deciding "were" the issue is yourself. Your problem is with what Zec 14 says. I'm going to prove it. You need to learn. Not teach. You have enough teachers already. Do you accept everything you hear from your preferred teachers. It sure does look like it.

I am not running dude

You can't tell me when these things happened. So you have no basis of fact. and am moving on.

I will say just enough to make sure people are looking at you and see what is really happening.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I am not running dude

You can't tell me when these things happened. So you have no basis of fact. and am moving on.

I will say just enough to make sure people are looking at you and see what is really happening.

So... do you accept the word "days" in Zec 14:1 or not? Earlier you applied it to only one event. Why was that?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'm called to love my enemies, friend.

Which requires you to be truthful. We are not friends.

He has literal photocopies of the Scroll, dude, it is not about his personal interpretative whatever.

You're so nonsensical half the time, it's like talking to a random text generator.

He said it was purchased. Review the video.

Except neither I nor anyone else I mentioned was excusing or justifying it, and you are completely full of yourself.

I'm glad you never make mistakes.... NOT

Get outta here with your nonsense.

I sure do make mistakes. I admit them and ask for forgiveness. I then correct what I said.

 

[praise_yeshua]

the question is. Did all that God said would happen happen?

If it did (like say Jesus was born of a virgin in Bethlehem. and when he comes the lame will walk. the blind will see etc etc. Or he comes 69 weeks after the command to restore jerusalem. Literal prophecy which came true to the T

Then we can say it is fulfilled.

if we do not. then we can KNOW it is yet future

You should answer as to how you view the virgin birth. Do you believe Greeks or Hebrews in the MT?

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

After all. It is a sign...... A sign of who I wonder.....

Do you want to leave Jesus out of this sign?

 

[praise_yeshua]

To be clear about Papyrus 52......above.

I've seen it happen throughout my life. Someone will have a very old manuscript fragment that is potentially very valuable. People will hype the significance of that fragment to increase website traffic or museum traffic. They will create photocopies of the fragment and sell them for $60 bucks or more. It can become very lucrative. People make money off Bibles. People write Bible software and that is free and then sell modules. All of this is often little more than a marketing strategy.

I'm not against anyone doing most of this but they shouldn't pretend they are only "in it for Jesus". You read the same intent in John chapter 6:26....

Joh 6:26 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves.

Very few people in this world do what they do solely for Jesus. I've once told myself I was doing what I did for God while I was trying my best to make a living from doing it.....

I chose to have a career and to do what I do for Christ "of no charge". I don't want to abuse my position in Christ. Did you know that "without charge" is found in the Bible.....

1Co 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
1Co 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

 

[Dizerner]

I would challenge anyone to ignore Wesley Huff.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Why promote men? Have you ever seen me seeking to be promoted by anyone?

He is handling the issue better than most but I question his desire to be well known in the community of the faithful. He doesn't have the backbone he needs for this. That and he is not learned enough. He is too young. Too unlearned.

Calvin was too young. Too unlearned. So was Jacobus Arminius.... I hope you can see this.

Calvinists vs Arminians......It all became a huge "peeing contest" for influence and power.

 

[David Koberstein]

There is no understanding of end time events and prophecy without placing those events within the context of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is the CENTER of all things. There is this false gospel that exits that promotes the "other children of Abraham" as having promises that do not require Jesus Christ. All the promises of God require Jesus Christ. All of them.

2Co 1:20 For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.

I include this thread in this area of the forum for that reason. This isn't just about end time events. This about the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Zec 14.....

In the Greek OT. Zechariah verse 1 is different than the Hebrew manuscripts used to produce the most Hebrew/English Bible. The Hebrew of the MT comes from various codices that vary themselves. They vary from the Dead Sea Scrolls and Jews that produced the LXX. Choices must be made and I can tell you that the choice is clear in the Greek OT. In fact, in the book of Revelation, you will find that John is assuredly referencing the Greek OT. We know because modern Hebrew grammar shows that John is referencing the same "mistakes" that are found grammatically in the Greek OT John is referencing. (Not that I believe it is actually grammatically wrong in Greek.)

In verse #1, you find the first correction that needs to be made to what most people read....

Zec 14:1 Behold, the days of the Lord come, and thy spoils shall be divided in thee.

Notice the word.... days. Not day. Days. So let us start there.......

Who accepts the word "days" instead of "day"?

The accepted Rabbinical Masoretic Text in Z'kharyah 14:1
Look, a day is coming for Adonai when you plunder, [Yerushalayim], will be divided right there within you.
Shalom