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Your Views on The Trinity
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maybe if you can escape a hyperliteralist interpretation and cyclic reasoning, you might be able to present an argument that makes sense, even in your world.
DavidTree
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Nope
These were men, contaminated with SIN, and they were raised up to temporarily deliver Israel from their OT enemies of the flesh
Only JESUS is the Savior of the World/Mankind from spiritual DEATH
Runningman
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I have nothing to produce to show Jesus is YHWH. If you have something to the contrary, time to produce burden of proof or not get involved. So far no one has produced anything that calls Jesus YHWH. Be a doer, not a talker.
DavidTree
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Only JESUS is the Savior of the World/Mankind from spiritual DEATH
I, even I, am the LORD, And besides Me there is no savior. - Isaiah 43:11
If you do not believe I am He, you will die in your sins - John 8:24
This sort of explains the situation:
John 5:45–47 (ESV)
45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope.
46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me.
47But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”
I say this once in a while...
I check out verses that the hyperliteralist unitarians present and consider their arguments. But, the testimony of scriptures speaks of the divinity of Christ and I just cannot neglect that. Perhaps some expert on Trinitarianism, such as Peterlag, can address a broad swath of passages that speak of the divinity of Christ and the uniqueness of identity of the Holy Spirit so as to refute those.
I check out verses that the hyperliteralist unitarians present and consider their arguments. But, the testimony of scriptures speaks of the divinity of Christ and I just cannot neglect that. Perhaps some expert on Trinitarianism, such as Peterlag, can address a broad swath of passages that speak of the divinity of Christ and the uniqueness of identity of the Holy Spirit so as to refute those.
Runningman
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Means you don't have anything. Do you know what an apologetics board is? Get Scriptural and provide the Biblical proof.
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Runningman
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There are many saviors in the Bible who are neither God nor Jesus. God made all of them a savior for their time, place, and function. This is why John 3:16,17 explicitly states God (theFather) saves through His begotten son and why Acts 2:36 explicitly says God made Jesus a savior.
Just YHVH(Jehovah) that is Gods name. Yeshua is his son.
Runningman
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Right! Psalm 2:7 says there was a day in which YHWH became Jesus' Father because Jesus was begotten... the entire New Testament says Jesus is the begotten son of the Father. I haven't found any Trinitarian who will accept this.
You are the one trying to prove a heresy. The burden is on you. There is sufficient teaching on the Trinity that you should not be lacking in proper instruction. It is just too bad you did not get that in your earlier church background.
DavidTree
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The FATHER gave to His Son = His Name
I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world
DavidTree
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These were men, contaminated with SIN, and they were raised up to temporarily deliver Israel from
their OT enemies of the flesh.
The Scripture cannot be changed and those who exchange God's words for a lie will suffer the 2nd DEATH.
I, even I, am the LORD, And besides Me there is no savior. - Isaiah 43:11
If you do not believe I am He, you will die in your sins - John 8:24
Runningman
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When you actually have anything about Jesus being YHWH feel free to jump in.
Runningman
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Means anyone can be a savior who God ordained. Yes, God is the only savior and I sure hope you believe that, but Moses, Othniel, Ehud, and Jesus are not God just because God made them saviors too. Don't take an idea too far and turn it into idolatry like @Fred
DavidTree
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#1 - Moses, Othniel, Ehud are not God for they were not born of God = they did not come directly from the FATHER
#2 - God Says whoever refused Moses was put to death
#3 - God Says that after Moses HE would continue to raise up prophets and if the people did not listen to them = JUDGEMENT
#4 - God Says that HE will raise up "The Prophet" and if any refuse His words, they are to be DESTROYED.
I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers also did.
But the things which God previously announced by the mouths of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has fulfilled in this way. Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things, about which God spoke by the mouths of His holy prophets from ancient times.
Moses said, ‘THE LORD GOD WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR COUNTRYMEN; TO HIM YOU SHALL LISTEN regarding everything He says to you.
And it shall be that every soul that does not listen to that Prophet/JESUS shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’
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you missed what Fred posted. It is useless debating with you when you just deny the evidence.
Peterlag
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The verse you quoted does not say that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. It says confess the Lord Jesus. Not that he is God.
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Lord = YHWH (God) in Rom. 10:13.
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