Your Views on The Trinity

[FreeInChrist]

@FreeInChrist

The scriptures do not tell us that the Word was Jesus, you are assuming that to be so.

I am done.... You are denying scripture. You admit the Word was. You admit the Word became flesh. You deny that the Word was named Jesus when he became flesh.

You are twisting the brilliantly simple plan of God's salvation into poppycock.

God was manifest in the flesh in the person of his only begotten Son, by the Word joining Himself to the tabernacle of Jesus Christ.

What an absolutely stupid thing to say.

Jesus was indeed the express image of God in the flesh, since he was in the bosom of the Father from eternity.

There is no such teaching as the first, second, and third person of the Godhead

I note your use of your Jimmy's translation... which was the only one for years....

~There is only ONE SPIRIT of the eternal Godhead, not three separate spirits. They are three separate persons of the Godhead working in the redemption of God's elect. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, these three are one, since we shall only see one God in that day, JESUS CHRIST ~ since the Spirit lives in eternity that no angels or man can ever approach unto, only Son who was with his Father in his bosom from everlasting, he alone can declare him. You said:

Only in his humanity is Jesus separate from His Father, yet still equal to God in his eternal deity as the Word!

When our Heavenly Father corrects you I hope you realize it was He.... For you mix things up to the point that
no one can follow you and I for one am done trying,

I quote the bible and you tell me I am wrong. I use your choice of Jimmy's book and you tell me I am wrong.

John 1:14... and the Word became flesh is clear , concise and all I need to know... so says my Heavely Fathyer and the Holy Spirit that directs my replies.

You would make a great priest as all your parishioners would hang on your every word

1st John 1:1​

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us”

He was with the Father as far as being ONE with Him in His eternal Deity as God blessed over all. Jesus was the God of Genesis 1:1 as the Word of God! They were ONE as far as what consist of real Divinity of the Most High God?

The following attributes have ever been conceived as essential to it: Self-existence, Infinity, Independence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Immutability, eternal both ways, and Infinite in every way possible that is imaginable to the human mind. Deny any of these attribute concerning our Lord Jesus Christ, then one has rejected God's testimony concerning the Godhead. To do so is antichrist.

I'm sure it is to you and your Catholic source of information from the Nicene Creed. We will never use Creeds written by men to support our understanding.

I am not putting you on ignore because my source is not Catholic.... it is Elon Musk. And you do not deserve me to read otr comment anymore.

 

[civic]

@FreeInChrist

The scriptures do not tell us that the Word was Jesus, you are assuming that to be so. God was manifest in the flesh in the person of his only begotten Son, by the Word joining Himself to the tabernacle of Jesus Christ. Jesus was indeed the express image of God in the flesh, since he was in the bosom of the Father from eternity.

There is no such teaching as the first, second, and third person of the Godhead~There is only ONE SPIRIT of the eternal Godhead, not three separate spirits. They are three separate persons of the Godhead working in the redemption of God's elect. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, these three are one, since we shall only see one God in that day, JESUS CHRIST ~ since the Spirit lives in eternity that no angels or man can ever approach unto, only Son who was with his Father in his bosom from everlasting, he alone can declare him. You said:

Only in his humanity is Jesus separate from His Father, yet still equal to God in his eternal deity as the Word!

1st John 1:1​

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us”

He was with the Father as far as being ONE with Him in His eternal Deity as God blessed over all. Jesus was the God of Genesis 1:1 as the Word of God! They were ONE as far as what consist of real Divinity of the Most High God?

The following attributes have ever been conceived as essential to it: Self-existence, Infinity, Independence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Immutability, eternal both ways, and Infinite in every way possible that is imaginable to the human mind. Deny any of these attribute concerning our Lord Jesus Christ, then one has rejected God's testimony concerning the Godhead. To do so is antichrist.

I'm sure it is to you and your Catholic source of information from the Nicene Creed. We will never use Creeds written by men to support our understanding.

Who was the Word who was with God in John 1:1 ?

 

[civic]

@Red Baker describe the Trinity before creation. Thanks !

 

[Runningman]

Runningman, you just made God the Father died by stating "the First and the Last" died.
And you just made the Father not God by stating "First and Last" isn't a title that refers to deity." A direct opposition to the Father words in Isaiah 41:4.
Both highlighted above.


Isa 41:4 “Who has performed and accomplished it, Summoning the generations from the beginning? ‘I, the LORD, am the first, and with the last. I am He.’”

That is not what I am saying.

Read Revelation 1:17,18 and let me know if the First and Last died or not please.

Revelation 1
17When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said, “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades.

 

[civic]

That is not what I am saying.

Read Revelation 1:17,18 and let me know if the First and Last died or not please.

Revelation 1
17When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said, “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades.

I can see you need a Bible lesson on the identity of the First and the Last.

Rev 22:13, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”

We can see here that Whoever is the Alpha/Omega also claims to be the first/last AND the beginning/end. It’s the same Person.

If we look back in Rev 1:17-18 we see the following:

“…Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”

So, the One Who is first/last (and then is also Alpha/Omega and beginning/end) is the same Person who was dead and is alive forever more. It doesn’t take a scholar to figure out Who is the One speaking here. It does take a lot of mental gymnastics to explain away something so obvious.

The term "first/last" is used 4 times in Rev. Twice it is used along with "Alpha/Omega" with the Person claiming to be "first/last" AND the "Alpha/Omega."

"Alpha/Omega" is used 4 times in Rev. Twice with "first/last" and twice with "beginning/end."

"Beginning/end" occurs 3 times: twice with "Alpha/Omega" and once with "Alpha/Omega" AND "first/last."

In all of these texts, the speaker always refers to Himself with both or all of the titles. To say, "Well, this time it's Jehovah who is the first/last, this next time it's Jesus, then later it's Jehovah again..." is the mental gymnastics to which I referred.

Is God the first/last or is Jesus the first/last? Is God the Alpha/Omega or is Jesus the Alpha/Omega? Is God the beginning/end or is Jesus the beginning/end. An obvious way to reconcile the verses is to understand that Jesus is God.

According to unitarians, it seems God claimed to be the first/last in one sense while Jesus claimed to be first/last in another sense. You seem to gloss over the blatant connection of first/last with beginning/end and Alpha/Omega. In each verse, the Speaker who claims one title also claims one or both of the others. It's all the same person.

I usually wait patiently for unitarians to reply but this point has been nagging at me so I have to comment preemptively. I really am baffled by their suggestion from other discussion in the past that “first/last” has some meaning here other than the obvious one (a title synonymous with Alpha/Omega). You even say that Alpha/Omega is never used of the Son? Incredible!! We both have said that context is king so I would like to remind other readers of the context of Rev 1:17-18 (beginning in v.10, Young’s Literal):

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's-day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last;' and, `What thou dost see, write in a scroll, and send to the seven assemblies that [are] in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.'

And I did turn to see the voice that did speak with me, and having turned, I saw seven golden lamp-stands, and in the midst of the seven lamp-stands, [one] like to a son of man, clothed to the foot, and girt round at the breast with a golden girdle, and his head and hairs white, as if white wool -- as snow, and his eyes as a flame of fire; and his feet like to fine brass, as in a furnace having been fired, and his voice as a sound of many waters, and having in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth a sharp two-edged sword is proceeding, and his countenance [is] as the sun shining in its might.

And when I saw him, I did fall at his feet as dead, and he placed his right hand upon me, saying to me, `Be not afraid; I am the First and the Last, and he who is living, and I did become dead, and, lo, I am living to the ages of the ages. Amen! and I have the keys of the hades and of the death.

Do you realize this is one scene? The Speaker identifies Himself in v. 11 as “the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last.” John turns to see who is speaking and sees “one like to a son of man” (other translations have “the Son of man”). Perhaps John is saying, "I saw someone who looked like Jesus." Then finally, in v. 17-18, the Speaker indeed identifies Himself as the One who is living and became dead and is now alive again forever.

Unitarians: I guess you identify the Alpha and Omega in v. 8 as Jehovah and v. 11 as Jesus? I guess you don’t see the term “the First and the Last” as a title equivalent to “the Alpha and Omega”? If so, you are definitely seeing something in the text that an ordinary reading doesn’t see beacuse of your bias.

It’s a title ascribed to the Almighty. I didn’t think it needed a more precise definition to be understood. What about, “the one who is and who was and who to come”? Does that need to be defined? I guess we could talk about a precise definition but I don’t think that will change my point. The Alpha/Omega is self-described as “the Almighty (1:8) AND the First/Last (22:13). The First/Last is self-described as the one who was dead and is alive forever more (1:18). Again, there are either 2 people who are the first and last OR Jesus is the Almighty.

Conclusion: Scripture declares YHWH is the First and the Last and besides Me there is no God/YHWH. Christ is YHWH.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Runningman]

I can see you need a Bible lesson on the identity of the First and the Last.

Rev 22:13, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”

We can see here that Whoever is the Alpha/Omega also claims to be the first/last AND the beginning/end. It’s the same Person.

If we look back in Rev 1:17-18 we see the following:

“…Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”

So, the One Who is first/last (and then is also Alpha/Omega and beginning/end) is the same Person who was dead and is alive forever more. It doesn’t take a scholar to figure out Who is the One speaking here. It does take a lot of mental gymnastics to explain away something so obvious.

The term "first/last" is used 4 times in Rev. Twice it is used along with "Alpha/Omega" with the Person claiming to be "first/last" AND the "Alpha/Omega."

"Alpha/Omega" is used 4 times in Rev. Twice with "first/last" and twice with "beginning/end."

"Beginning/end" occurs 3 times: twice with "Alpha/Omega" and once with "Alpha/Omega" AND "first/last."

In all of these texts, the speaker always refers to Himself with both or all of the titles. To say, "Well, this time it's Jehovah who is the first/last, this next time it's Jesus, then later it's Jehovah again..." is the mental gymnastics to which I referred.

Is God the first/last or is Jesus the first/last? Is God the Alpha/Omega or is Jesus the Alpha/Omega? Is God the beginning/end or is Jesus the beginning/end. An obvious way to reconcile the verses is to understand that Jesus is God.

According to unitarians, it seems God claimed to be the first/last in one sense while Jesus claimed to be first/last in another sense. You seem to gloss over the blatant connection of first/last with beginning/end and Alpha/Omega. In each verse, the Speaker who claims one title also claims one or both of the others. It's all the same person.

I usually wait patiently for unitarians to reply but this point has been nagging at me so I have to comment preemptively. I really am baffled by their suggestion from other discussion in the past that “first/last” has some meaning here other than the obvious one (a title synonymous with Alpha/Omega). You even say that Alpha/Omega is never used of the Son? Incredible!! We both have said that context is king so I would like to remind other readers of the context of Rev 1:17-18 (beginning in v.10, Young’s Literal):

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's-day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last;' and, `What thou dost see, write in a scroll, and send to the seven assemblies that [are] in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.'

And I did turn to see the voice that did speak with me, and having turned, I saw seven golden lamp-stands, and in the midst of the seven lamp-stands, [one] like to a son of man, clothed to the foot, and girt round at the breast with a golden girdle, and his head and hairs white, as if white wool -- as snow, and his eyes as a flame of fire; and his feet like to fine brass, as in a furnace having been fired, and his voice as a sound of many waters, and having in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth a sharp two-edged sword is proceeding, and his countenance [is] as the sun shining in its might.

And when I saw him, I did fall at his feet as dead, and he placed his right hand upon me, saying to me, `Be not afraid; I am the First and the Last, and he who is living, and I did become dead, and, lo, I am living to the ages of the ages. Amen! and I have the keys of the hades and of the death.

Do you realize this is one scene? The Speaker identifies Himself in v. 11 as “the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last.” John turns to see who is speaking and sees “one like to a son of man” (other translations have “the Son of man”). Perhaps John is saying, "I saw someone who looked like Jesus." Then finally, in v. 17-18, the Speaker indeed identifies Himself as the One who is living and became dead and is now alive again forever.

Unitarians: I guess you identify the Alpha and Omega in v. 8 as Jehovah and v. 11 as Jesus? I guess you don’t see the term “the First and the Last” as a title equivalent to “the Alpha and Omega”? If so, you are definitely seeing something in the text that an ordinary reading doesn’t see beacuse of your bias.

It’s a title ascribed to the Almighty. I didn’t think it needed a more precise definition to be understood. What about, “the one who is and who was and who to come”? Does that need to be defined? I guess we could talk about a precise definition but I don’t think that will change my point. The Alpha/Omega is self-described as “the Almighty (1:8) AND the First/Last (22:13). The First/Last is self-described as the one who was dead and is alive forever more (1:18). Again, there are either 2 people who are the first and last OR Jesus is the Almighty.

Conclusion: Scripture declares YHWH is the First and the Last and besides Me there is no God/YHWH. Christ is YHWH.

hope this helps !!!

So we know that the First and the Last died in Revelation 1:17,18 so that means "First and Last" is not an exclusive divine title or else God died. That's how we know that Jesus isn't God, among many other proofs from Scripture.

 

[Red Baker]

@Jim

If the Word did not take on the flesh and blood of Jesus, who then was the flesh that dwelt among us? What happened to the Word? Given that the Word became flesh, did the Word cease to exist? Did the Word change from being God to something less than God, a mere human being?

Greetings Jim and good morning to you.

The Word was made flesh, in the person of Jesus of Narareth, God's only begotten Son, in the manner in which he was conceived.

Not one thing happened to the Word, which is the Eternal Divine Nature of the Godhead, it remain just as it has always been, the Eternal Spirit that inhabits eternity. You asked:
"did the Word cease to exist?" Impossible.

Revelation 1:8​

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

You asked: "Did the Word change from being God to something less than God, a mere human being?"

No the Word did not change~it became something that it never had been~made in the likeness of sinful flesh, for sin, and condemned sin in the flesh, by his perfect faith and obedience as a man.

 

[Red Baker]

@Runningman

So we know that the First and the Last died in Revelation 1:17,18 so that means "First and Last" is not an exclusive divine title or else God died. That's how we know that Jesus isn't God, among many other proofs from Scripture.

Jesus Christ was a complex person, fully man and fully God!

Jesus Christ is the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God. His begetting was unique from all others.

Only. 1. One, without companions or society; solitary, lonely. 2. One of the kind. Begotten. Past participle of beget. 2. To procreate, to generate: usually said of the father.

Isaac is called an only begotten son, though Abraham begat eight sons (Gen 16:15; 25:1-2). Adam is called the son of God (Luke 3:38), but only Jesus is so by begetting (Jer 31:22). God’s elect are called His sons (I John 3:1), and so are certain heavenly beings (Job 1:6). Jesus Christ is the only man God directly begat in a woman (Luke 1:30-35 cp Jeremiah 31:22).

Jesus is the FIRSTBORN (Col 1:15) and the FIRSTBEGOTTEN (Col 1:18; Heb 1:6; Rev 1:5). He is the firstborn of God, since He is preeminent over all creatures (Colossians 1:15-19). He is the firstborn and firstbegotten from the dead, since others will follow (I Cor 15:20-23). Is Jesus a creature in His human nature? Of course (Jer 31:22; Luke 1:35; Gal 4:4; Heb 2:9)!

The Old Testament refers to the Fatherhood and Sonship of God in prophecy of Jesus Christ only. Nathan prophesied God’s Son would come from David’s bowels (II Samuel 7:12-14; Heb 1:5). The psalmist prophesied of a day God would beget a Son (Psalm 2:7 cp Acts 13:33 cp Heb 1:5). The psalmist prophesied of a future time God would have a firstborn Son (Psalm 89:26-27). Agur prophesied of God, His works, His name, and the name of His Son (Prov 30:1,4-6). Isaiah prophesied of a future Son that would be born of God and a virgin (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6). Hosea foretold God calling His Son – as He did Israel – out of Egypt (Hosea 11:1; Matt 2:15).

Denying Jesus as Son before incarnation misses the point: Jesus did not exist before the incarnation. Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the complex Person He is, did not exist prior to Mary’s firstborn Son.

His divine nature – His full deity – did exist, as the Word of God, Who is undivided Jehovah.

But Jesus of Nazareth, born of the virgin Mary, is truly and only and precisely the Son of God. The devils never cried out before that they had encountered the Son of God (Mark 1:34; Luke 4:34)! There was never a statement made before like that which Jesus uttered at twelve (Luke 2:49)! The Son will be subordinate to the Father for eternity, clearly in His human nature (I Cor 15:27-28).

 

[Red Baker]

@FreeInChrist

You deny that the Word was named Jesus when he became flesh.

I never denied this. You need to follow more closely, but I would suggest that you search this out even more than you have thus far. I did say very clearly:

God was manifest in the flesh in the person of his only begotten Son, by the Word joining Himself to the tabernacle of Jesus Christ.

The Word was not conceived and born, Mary did not give birth to God, but to God's Son! A huge difference. Do you not agree with this so far? Surely you must.

You are twisting the brilliantly simple plan of God's salvation into poppycock.

What an absolutely stupid thing to say.

Then FreeinChrist, you truly need to start a fresh and reconsider your position that you cannot prove and never will for God will not support your position.

 

[Jim]

@Jim

Greetings Jim and good morning to you.

The Word was made flesh, in the person of Jesus of Narareth, God's only begotten Son, in the manner in which he was conceived.

Not one thing happened to the Word, which is the Eternal Divine Nature of the Godhead, it remain just as it has always been, the Eternal Spirit that inhabits eternity. You asked:
"did the Word cease to exist?" Impossible.

Revelation 1:8​

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

You asked: "Did the Word change from being God to something less than God, a mere human being?"

No the Word did not change~it became something that it never had been~made in the likeness of sinful flesh, for sin, and condemned sin in the flesh, by his perfect faith and obedience as a man.

Since human beings are made of flesh and blood and each has a spirit that does not die, what happened to Jesus' spirit? Does it still exist? I maintain that the spirit of the man Jesus Christ was indeed the Word. When Jesus ascended, His spirit, the Word, now sits at the right hand of the Father, God, glorified with the glory that He had before from all time (John 17:4).

 

[Red Baker]

@civic

Who was the Word who was with God in John 1:1 ?

It was God, the Godhead are one in their "eternal Divine nature" without any qualifications.

1 John 5:7​

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

1+1+1=1 in the Godhead.

 

[Jim]

@civic

It was God, the Godhead are one in their "eternal Divine nature" without any qualifications.

1 John 5:7​

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

1+1+1=1 in the Godhead.

And each of those three are distinct and separate spiritual beings.

 

[Jim]

The Word was not conceived and born, Mary did not give birth to God, but to God's Son! A huge difference. Do you not agree with this so far? Surely you must.

And your spirit was not conceived, Your mother did not give birth to your spirit.

Then FreeinChrist, you truly need to start a fresh and reconsider your position that you cannot prove and never will for God will not support your position.

Red, FreeinChrist can certainly prove her position just as well as you can prove yours and even much better.

 

[Red Baker]

@Jim

Since human beings are made of flesh and blood and each has a spirit that does not die, what happened to Jesus' spirit? Does it still exist? I maintain that the spirit of the man Jesus Christ was indeed the Word. When Jesus ascended, His spirit, the Word, now sits at the right hand of the Father, God, glorified with the glory that He had before from all time (John 17:4).

Well, I do not hold to that position, and not sure if I have ever heard it explained that way. I knew you did not hold to Jesus' body being in the heavens, yet I do, but do understand that that glorified body can change and appear and disappear at will.

But, Jim I do not believe that the spirit of man cannot never die, I believe they do cease to exist if one is not born again with a new man that will never die. If God made man from nothing, then he can return back to nothing and will after the Great White Throne Judgement Seat. Some things are hidden from us, (at least this one is from me) and Jesus' earthy/human spirit are one of them, where that spirit is??? Maybe someone has a bible answer that I have never seen, and I'm willing to listen. My thoughts are he was given back that pure spirit (when he was resurrected from the dead) that was free from sin and he has it with him in his glorified body.

 

[Jim]

@Jim

Well, I do not hold to that position, and not sure if I have ever heard it explained that way. I knew you did not hold to Jesus' body being in the heavens, yet I do, but do understand that that glorified body can change and appear and disappear at will.

There is nothing physical in heaven. The physical is of the earth. The spiritual is of heaven.

But, Jim I do not believe that the spirit of man cannot never die, I believe they do cease to exist if one is not born again with a new man that will never die.

It is the spirit of the man that returns to God, not his body.

If God made man from nothing, then he can return back to nothing and will after the Great White Throne Judgement Seat. Some things are hidden from us, (at least this one is from me) and Jesus' earthy/human spirit are one of them, where that spirit is??? Maybe someone has a bible answer that I have never seen, and I'm willing to listen. My thoughts are he was given back that pure spirit (when he was resurrected from the dead) that was free from sin and he has it with him in his glorified body.

1Co 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural [physical]; then the spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

 

[Jim]

My thoughts are he was given back that pure spirit (when he was resurrected from the dead) that was free from sin and he has it with him in his glorified body.

Where do you read about "his glorified body"?

 

[Peterlag]

Perhaps you would believe Paul if he had said he would explain it all in his books in the bible? DUH

Paul repeatedly speaks of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together as the one God, and he does it in ways that show all three are divine Persons. Here are the clearest examples:

Verse	Exact Words (ESV or close)	What It Proves
1 Corinthians 8:6	“yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”	Father = God, Jesus = Lord (Yahweh title) and Co-Creator with the Father.
2 Corinthians 13:14	“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God [the Father] and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.”	The famous Trinitarian benediction — all three named together on the same level.
Ephesians 4:4–6	“There is one body and one Spirit … one hope … one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.”	Spirit → Lord (Jesus) → God and Father — all three in one sentence as the source of Christian unity.
1 Corinthians 12:4–6	“Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; … varieties of service, but the same Lord [Jesus]; … varieties of activities, but it is the same God [the Father] who empowers them all…”	Same structure three times: Spirit, Lord (Jesus), God (Father) — all equally divine and active.
Romans 15:30	“I appeal to you… by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me.”	Jesus, Spirit, and God invoked together in prayer.
Galatians 4:6	“Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, ‘Abba! Father!’”	Spirit of the Son sent by the Father — all three in one salvation act.

Bottom Line​

Paul never uses the later word “Trinity,” but he constantly speaks of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together as the one God who creates, saves, empowers, and receives worship. No first-century Jew would put a mere creature on the same level as the Father and the Spirit — yet Paul does it again and again.
So yes — Paul absolutely taught the three Persons of the Godhead, and he did it decades before the Gospel of John was written.

There is no verse or chapter anywhere in the entire Bible that gives a definition of the trinity God. Nowhere. Not even a verse.

 

[mikesw]

This is a good presentation on the Council of Nicea first at 325

One critical thing he mentions is that this was not some grand gathering that led to any great change among the church locations. Books on the history of Christian thought often make it seem monumental. It was more like rubber stamping what has been commonly held among the bishops. The teacher notes that of possibly 300ish bishops gathered there, only a minority were with Arius's view, namely of Jesus becoming God at his birth. The number of noted opponent to the decision were 4, who later were still pushing for their view-- but suppose there were a dozen -- not a major split.

This sounds almost like any big gathering of scholars and such where an affirmation is made of certain ideas but some protestors try to oppose it while even getting a chance to share their views yet being rejected. Life continues as the normal progression without anything newsworthy to report. The idea of noting this minor event in the Christian history is that a creed was created and that is sort of landmark to affirm the doctrine that existed.

 

[Runningman]

There is no verse or chapter anywhere in the entire Bible that gives a definition of the trinity God. Nowhere. Not even a verse.

You're right, but I kind of think they don't care what the Bible says. They only care about which snippets of Scripture can help them when they are all gathered together and put in one place. Kind of like what the Mormons and Scientologists do. You better believe they can quote Scripture all day and night about why they believe what they do, but they can't ever quote Scripture about their beliefs being demonstrated, defined, or any working examples.

Yet there are clear verses about the one and only true God being the Father that they throw out the window.

 

[FreeInChrist]

There is no verse or chapter anywhere in the entire Bible that gives a definition of the trinity Godbible is either. . Nowhere. Not even a verse.

And there is no where in the entire book of Holy Scriptures that give a definition of what the bible is either yet
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