brightfame52
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False many were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Ephesians 1:4
Yes, Calvinists—free will IS in the Bible.
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brightfame52
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The text says not a word about the man raised himself from the dead
Wholeheart
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Wrong...
"But when he came to his senses," he went back to his fathers house.
Romans 7:24
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?
James 4:8-10
Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. / Grieve, mourn, and weep. Turn your laughter to mourning, and your joy to gloom. / Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you.
Isaiah 55:7
Let the wicked man forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that He may have compassion, and to our God, for He will freely pardon.
Psalm 51:17
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.
2 Corinthians 7:10
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation without regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
Jeremiah 31:18-19
I have surely heard Ephraim’s moaning: ‘You disciplined me severely, like an untrained calf. Restore me, that I may return, for You are the LORD my God. / After I returned, I repented; and after I was instructed, I struck my thigh in grief. I was ashamed and humiliated because I bore the disgrace of my youth.’
Matthew 11:28
Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
Ezekiel 18:27-28
But if a wicked man turns from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life. / Because he considered and turned from all the transgressions he had committed, he will surely live; he will not die.
James 4:8-10
Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. / Grieve, mourn, and weep. Turn your laughter to mourning, and your joy to gloom. / Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you.
Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors and gain an overwhelming victory through Him who loved us [so much that He died for us].
brightfame52
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Right only God raises the Dead
Sins are purged, men are justified when they believe
Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
Acts 13:39 (LEB) — 39 by this one everyone who believes is justified!
Romans 4:1–3 (LEB) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.”
Romans 3:28 (LEB) — 28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Galatians 3:24 (LEB) — 24 So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith.
Romans 5:1 (LEB) — 1 Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Will you wake up?
The issue is the going from dead to alive regarding the relationship with his father.
Sorry, but those who would be in Christ were chosen to be holy and blameless before God in Love.
Ephesians 1:4 (LEB) — 4 just as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him in love,
brightfame52
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Not true according to Hebrews 1:3
brightfame52
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Let me see it
brightfame52
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Many were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Ephesians 1:4
Those who would be in Christ were chosen to be holy and blameless
Again, wake up to the right issue
The issue is the going from dead to alive regarding the relationship with his father.
Luke 15:17–24 (LEB) — 17 “But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired workers have an abundance of food, and I am dying here from hunger! 18 I will set out and go to my father and will say to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight! 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son! Make me like one of your hired workers.’ 20 And he set out and came to his own father. But while he was still a long way away, his father saw him and had compassion, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21 And his son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight! I am no longer worthy to be called your son!’ 22 But his father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet! 23 And bring the fattened calf—kill it and let us eat and celebrate, 24 because this son of mine was dead, and is alive again! He was lost and is found!’ And they began to celebrate.
You are ignoring multiple verses of scripture
Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
Acts 13:39 (LEB) — 39 by this one everyone who believes is justified!
Romans 4:1–3 (LEB) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.”
Romans 3:28 (LEB) — 28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Galatians 3:24 (LEB) — 24 So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith.
Romans 5:1 (LEB) — 1 Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
based upon your assumed understanding of Hebrew 1:3
A means of purification of sin was created, but how it was to be applied is not stated.
And you simply ignore what the book has to say regarding how righteousness is obtained.
Hebrews 11:7 (LEB) — 7 By faith Noah, having been warned about things not yet seen, out of reverence constructed an ark for the deliverance of his family, by which he pronounced sentence on the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
praise_yeshua
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You are the one twisting what it says. You then pretend you're supporting what it says. That isn't true.
So lets deal with how you present yourself. I complained recently about how people post content from others as if it is their own. You might be the worst offender. You do it all the time. You really don't make your own arguments. You don't. You just repeat others.
By doing this, you can't possibly understand what you're pasting here. You can't. It is someone else's assertion. Not your assertion. Sure, you can claim you agree and then proceed to try to support what was said but you can't. You can't because it isn't your own. You haven't made it part of who you are. You're NOT in the same "frame of mind" as the author who wrote it. You don't have the same perspective. You can't. You keep proving over and over again that you don't know why these authors said what they said. You have to understand what THEY understood to really support what THEY SAID.
I face this all the time. The various modern generations of humanity that I live among simply think they can post something from someone else and that is the end of the conversation.
That is what you're doing here. You post what you call "Scriptures" without any real understand of why the author wrote what they wrote.
Example. We are all guilty of this from time to time but I stopped doing this many years ago.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Can you imagine the frustration of Christ of having to say this to Philip?
Over and over I see nothing meaningful in what you paste here. When I try to get you to dig into the circumstances of the words, you just claim victory and alignment with what was said and move on.
I'm tired of facing this with you. I'm going just a little further here and I'll reevaluate my participation.
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Seriously?
Try proving that by actually addressing the verses
Ephesians 2:1–5 (LEB) — 1 And you, although you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all formerly lived in the desires of our flesh, doing the will of the flesh and of the mind, and we were children of wrath by nature, as also the rest of them were. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 5 and we being dead in trespasses, he made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved),
These are living people who were dead in their trespasses and sin
How were they dead?
Colossians 2:13 (LEB) — 13 And although you were dead in the trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, he made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
Again these people were dead in the trespasses and the uncircumcision of their flesh but were made alive having forgiven their trespasses
How were they dead?
1 Timothy 5:6 (LEB) — 6 But the one who lives for sensual pleasure is dead even though she lives.
This woman was currently dead
How so?
Here one is dead though physically alive
1 John 3:14 (LEB) — 14 We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.
These all passed from death
What death did they pass from?
1 John 3:14 (LEB) — 14 We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.
What death are these passing from?
Again
It is not physical and your denial of a form of death that is not physical is unbiblical
praise_yeshua
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Assumptions... Why must it be another form of death?
In your mind. Yes. To you there is only one solution. The solution you desire.
There is an alternative. Now, please pay attention. This person is in the disposition of death. If something doesn't change, she will physically die.
Get it? She is without God.
You're trying exclude the judgement of physical death when it isn't necessary to do this to understand what is being said. She is destined for death. As such, she is dispositional as good as DEAD. Yes. She still physically will die.
Which is exactly what happened to Adam. He was purposed for death and he died in the very "day" (thousand years) of his life.
That is one thousand circles around the sun. I do wish you would understand the concept of "word choices".
When you go to communicate. Everyone should choose their words wisely. The Scriptures do this. Your theology demands a "moment" that Adam died when he sinned. The authors of the Scriptures didn't say "moment". They said "day". They chose their words wisely.
Now... Stop conflating verses that speak of death with some "spiritual death". Adam was never Spiritually alive". He didn't lose life until he actually died. His bones are still with us.
Totally laughable, my views are always based upon scripture. More scripture than any opposing my position can offer.
Most often the scriptures go unanswered, just as you did.
praise_yeshua
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I asked you about Abel. Abel wasn't dead in trespasses and sin. Abel proves you're wrong.
Who cares about Abel? We do not read he was alive and dead at the same time?
And mentioning him does nothing at all to explain how it is death and life exist at the same time if there is nothing but physical death
You are ignoring multiple verses of scripture
Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
Acts 13:39 (LEB) — 39 by this one everyone who believes is justified!
Romans 4:1–3 (LEB) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.”
Romans 3:28 (LEB) — 28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Galatians 3:24 (LEB) — 24 So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith.
Romans 5:1 (LEB) — 1 Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
based upon your assumed understanding of Hebrew 1:3
A means of purification of sin was created, but how it was to be applied is not stated.
And you simply ignore what the book has to say regarding how righteousness is obtained.
Hebrews 11:7 (LEB) — 7 By faith Noah, having been warned about things not yet seen, out of reverence constructed an ark for the deliverance of his family, by which he pronounced sentence on the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
brightfame52
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They were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. Eph 1:4 They were in union with Him
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