Yes, Calvinists—free will IS in the Bible.

[praise_yeshua]

Hardly as there was no connection between 2 Peter 3 and Gen 2

I see. You do represent God? Can I ask for your credentials?

It remains

Genesis 2:17 (LEB) — 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die.”

I see day. I explained day. I even rightfully recognize that you believe the very moment that Adam and Eve sinned they "lost" whatever it is that you believe they had. You have yet to define what they lost. I ask again that you detail what they lost. This isn't my first rodeo with this topic. I know how to get you to deal with your claims.

Irrelavent

I insist you stop denyingt

Yeah. Claiming victory without discovery.

In return I can insist you stop neglecting so many passages

Spiritual death is seen here.

Ephesians 2:1–5 (LEB) — 1 And you, although you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all formerly lived in the desires of our flesh, doing the will of the flesh and of the mind, and we were children of wrath by nature, as also the rest of them were. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 5 and we being dead in trespasses, he made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved),

Colossians 2:13 (LEB) — 13 And although you were dead in the trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, he made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

1 Timothy 5:6 (LEB) — 6 But the one who lives for sensual pleasure is dead even though she lives.

Here one is dead though physically alive

1 John 3:14 (LEB) — 14 We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.

1 John 3:14 (LEB) — 14 We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.

What death are these passing from?

It is not physical and your denial of a form of death that is not physical is unbiblical

Yeah. I know you actually believe PSA. Why deny it. You believe there is damnation for the innocent.

 

[praise_yeshua]

1 Timothy 5:6 (LEB) — 6 But the one who lives for sensual pleasure is dead even though she lives.

Here one is dead though physically alive

You're actually making my point for me. Dead isn't physically dead while "she lives". It is the disposition of death that hangs over all of humanity. Death without God.

 

[civic]

He was spiritually dead that requires spiritual Resurrection

nope the text does not say he was "spiritually " dead.

nice try

 

[praise_yeshua]

1 John 3:14 (LEB) — 14 We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.

1 John 3:14 (LEB) — 14 We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.

What death are these passing from?

If you're passed from death to life like you believe you are, then why do you still die. Didn't Jesus free you from death? That is what you believe, yet people just talk past this point at every level.

I received the Spirit of God. In this, I have life right now that I never had. Life that Adam and Eve didn't have when they were crafted from the dust of the earth.

Not only this, I am innately Eternal in the new birth. Something else that Adam and Eve never had when they were crafted from the dust of the earth.

It is not physical and your denial of a form of death that is not physical is unbiblical

No. You're playing with legos. I'm painting a beautiful picture of the Grace of God here. God has always been full of Grace. We have to learn grace.

 

[brightfame52]

Try reading the passage for a change

I already read it and he was dead

 

[brightfame52]

Not what it states

Hebrews 1:3 (LEB) — 3 who is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, sustaining all things by the word of power. When he had made purification for sins through him, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

You are reading into the passage

He died in 33 ad and people who believed after that date their sins were purged away before they believe say like in 19 90

 

[brightfame52]

nope the text does not say he was "spiritually " dead.

nice try

It doesn't say he was not spiritually dead

 

[Wholeheart]

Yeah he was dead, so he was dependent upon someone to resurrect him. Can the dead raise themselves to be alive

He did

"But when he came to his senses," he went back to his fathers house.

Romans 7:24
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?

James 4:8-10
Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. / Grieve, mourn, and weep. Turn your laughter to mourning, and your joy to gloom. / Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you.

Isaiah 55:7
Let the wicked man forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that He may have compassion, and to our God, for He will freely pardon.

Psalm 51:17
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.

2 Corinthians 7:10
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation without regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

Jeremiah 31:18-19
I have surely heard Ephraim’s moaning: ‘You disciplined me severely, like an untrained calf. Restore me, that I may return, for You are the LORD my God. / After I returned, I repented; and after I was instructed, I struck my thigh in grief. I was ashamed and humiliated because I bore the disgrace of my youth.’

Matthew 11:28
Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Ezekiel 18:27-28
But if a wicked man turns from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life. / Because he considered and turned from all the transgressions he had committed, he will surely live; he will not die.

James 4:8-10
Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. / Grieve, mourn, and weep. Turn your laughter to mourning, and your joy to gloom. / Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you.

 

[TomL]

He died in 33 ad and people who believed after that date their sins were purged away before they believe say like in 19 90

Nope

2 Thessalonians 1:8–9 (LEB) — 8 with burning flame giving punishment to those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus, 9 who will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength,

John 8:24 (LEB) — 24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

 

[TomL]

If you're passed from death to life like you believe you are, then why do you still die. Didn't Jesus free you from death? That is what you believe, yet people just talk past this point at every level.

First scripture spoke of men passing from death to life.

Spiritual death is seen here.

Ephesians 2:1–5 (LEB) — 1 And you, although you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all formerly lived in the desires of our flesh, doing the will of the flesh and of the mind, and we were children of wrath by nature, as also the rest of them were. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 5 and we being dead in trespasses, he made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved),

Colossians 2:13 (LEB) — 13 And although you were dead in the trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, he made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

1 Timothy 5:6 (LEB) — 6 But the one who lives for sensual pleasure is dead even though she lives.

Here one is dead though physically alive

1 John 3:14 (LEB) — 14 We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.

1 John 3:14 (LEB) — 14 We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.

What death are these passing from?

It is not physical and your denial of a form of death that is not physical is unbiblical

This is spiritual

In the future we die physically

We will, however, be resurrected.

I received the Spirit of God. In this, I have life right now that I never had. Life that Adam and Eve didn't have when they were crafted from the dust of the earth.

Not only this, I am innately Eternal in the new birth. Something else that Adam and Eve never had when they were crafted from the dust of the earth.



No. You're playing with legos. I'm painting a beautiful picture of the Grace of God here. God has always been full of Grace. We have to learn grace.

Did you pass from death as the verses quoted above speak of?

They concern those who were physically living but passed from death to life.

Secondly, we die physically and then are resurrected.

 

[TomL]

You're actually making my point for me. Dead isn't physically dead while "she lives". It is the disposition of death that hangs over all of humanity. Death without God.

Of course it is not physically dead so another form of death is obviously pointed to.

1 Timothy 5:6 (LEB) — 6 But the one who lives for sensual pleasure is dead even though she lives.

And it was then currently existing.

That is the opposite of making the point for you.

 

[TomL]

I see. You do represent God? Can I ask for your credentials?



I see day. I explained day. I even rightfully recognize that you believe the very moment that Adam and Eve sinned they "lost" whatever it is that you believe they had. You have yet to define what they lost. I ask again that you detail what they lost. This isn't my first rodeo with this topic. I know how to get you to deal with your claims.



Yeah. Claiming victory without discovery.



Yeah. I know you actually believe PSA. Why deny it. You believe there is damnation for the innocent.

Sorry but you are erring yet again.

You are also falsifying my beliefs and ignoring scripture

Spiritual death is seen here.

Ephesians 2:1–5 (LEB) — 1 And you, although you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all formerly lived in the desires of our flesh, doing the will of the flesh and of the mind, and we were children of wrath by nature, as also the rest of them were. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 5 and we being dead in trespasses, he made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved),

Colossians 2:13 (LEB) — 13 And although you were dead in the trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, he made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

1 Timothy 5:6 (LEB) — 6 But the one who lives for sensual pleasure is dead even though she lives.

1 John 3:14 (LEB) — 14 We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.

1 John 3:14 (LEB) — 14 We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.

What death are these passing from?

It is not physical and your denial of a form of death that is not physical is unbiblical

Multiple physically alive people had had a death that was not physical, which they were delivered from.

 

[TomL]

Did Abel die in this context? Abel was murdered. Many people are murdered and their lives are taken from them. God doesn't murder people. I suppose you believe in a justice in killing someone for their sin? Calvin believed that as well. There is no justice in how you're serving up this "death" to humanity. ZERO.

There is no Abel in this passage.

Ephesians 2:1–5 (LEB) — 1 And you, although you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all formerly lived in the desires of our flesh, doing the will of the flesh and of the mind, and we were children of wrath by nature, as also the rest of them were. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 5 and we being dead in trespasses, he made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved),

And His murder is totally irrelevant to a judgment by God

Sin gradually engulf all of humanity. It fully permeated society to the point God saved Noah from the remainder of humanity.

No notice how I'm setting the context for your denial of the relativity of 2 Peter 3. Let me quote a verse from 2 Peter 3.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

I'm setting the table for you......



There is no context of circumcision apart from Abraham. Death reigned before Abraham. Do you remember those words...Context.

Thusly, you see a greater context of sin among later generations of humanity. Things getting worse and worse.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Notice how that people didn't sin like Adam sinned. It is right there in front of you.

Also irrelevant

Why are you continually ignoring all the passages that speak of people who had not physically died but were still stated as passing from death to life?

Very plainly we have another form of death being spoken of.

 

[TomL]

Did Abel die in this context? Abel was murdered. Many people are murdered and their lives are taken from them. God doesn't murder people. I suppose you believe in a justice in killing someone for their sin? Calvin believed that as well. There is no justice in how you're serving up this "death" to humanity. ZERO.

Again, you suppose incorrectly.

I have not mentioned a single time physical death for sin at the moment of it and I have spoken constantly of another form of death found in the scriptures. Multiple times in the scripture we see men who were physically alive passing from death to life

You need to stop supposing and deal with scripture

Ephesians 2:1–5 (LEB) — 1 And you, although you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all formerly lived in the desires of our flesh, doing the will of the flesh and of the mind, and we were children of wrath by nature, as also the rest of them were. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 5 and we being dead in trespasses, he made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved),

Colossians 2:13 (LEB) — 13 And although you were dead in the trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, he made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

1 Timothy 5:6 (LEB) — 6 But the one who lives for sensual pleasure is dead even though she lives.

Here one is dead though physically alive

1 John 3:14 (LEB) — 14 We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.

John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Romans 6:13 (LEB) — 13 and do not present your members to sin as instruments of unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who are alive from the dead, and your members to God as instruments of righteousness.

What death are these passing from?

 

[TomL]

He did it before they believe Hebrews 1:3

One is not in Christ before believing on him

Galatians 3:26–27 (LEB) — 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

 

[civic]

One is not in Christ before believing on him

Galatians 3:26–27 (LEB) — 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Correct only after they have become a chiid of God via the new birth being saved from the hearing and believing of the gospel.

 

[TomL]

Correct only after they have become a chiid of God via the new birth being saved from the hearing and believing of the gospel.

Amen

John 20:31 (NASB95) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

 

[brightfame52]

He did

That's making man to be God

 

[brightfame52]

Nope

Yes Christ died hundreds of years before many came to believe in him, yet their sins were purged away when He died for them. They were not born believers in Him. Hebrews 1:3

 

[TomL]

That's making man to be God

No it is just the text

Luke 15:17–24 (NASB95) — 17 “But when he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger! 18 ‘I will get up and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight; 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me as one of your hired men.” ’ 20 “So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21 “And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ 22 “But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet; 23 and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and celebrate; 24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.

And the prodigal returning to his father.