World = US = John 3:16

I'm not deceived.

Who is lying ?

One of us is surely deceived and doesn't know it.

hmmmmm
I may be deceived by somethings but not by a false gospel of salvation: I gave my life to the divine Christ, He who was killed while sinless and resurrected, to do with as He would and by His grace I am saved, not by my works, thoughts or doctrines. My desires in the world made me a sinner and my faith in Him was by His grace, His gift to me to bring me out of this world I could never renounce on my own...
 
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Amen to the truth !!!
I sure seem to notice a whole massive amount
of many who say they are beleivers .
But it sure is very odd they dont seem to BELEIVE the words of GOD , of Christ
but rather beleive men who twisted such words .
Thus while its true there are many beleivers
Not all believers are truly A BELIEVER . that is just a real friendly reminder i desired to remind us all with today .
 
This is good reading of the Greek word "kosmos" by A. W. Pink.
It is worth the read. One must be careful when understanding translated from Greek to English as when one goes from one language to another. Sometimes there are several Hebrew words that the translators use only one English word. Sometime there are several English words necessary to translate one Hebrew word. This situation exists in all languages when making translations from one language to another. The true bible student needs to know these nuances.

"Kosmos" is used of the Universe as a whole: Acts 17: 24 - "God that made the world and all things therein seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth." is used of the Universe as a whole: Acts 17: 24 - "God that made the world and all things therein seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth."

"Kosmos" is used of the earth: John 13:1; Eph. 1:4, etc., etc.- "When Jesus knew that his hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world He loved them unto the end." "Depart out of this world" signifies, leave this earth. "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world." This expression signifies, before the earth was founded-compare Job 38:4 etc.

"Kosmos" is used of the world-system: John 12:31 etc. "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the Prince of this world be cast out"- compare Matt. 4:8 and I John 5:19, R. V.

"Kosmos" is used of the whole human race: Rom. 3: 19, etc.-"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."

"Kosmos" is used of humanity minus believers: John 15:18; Rom. 3:6 "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated Me before it hated you." Believers do not "hate" Christ, so that "the world" here must signify the world of unbelievers in contrast from believers who love Christ. "God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world." Here is another passage where "the world" cannot mean "you, me, and everybody," for believers will not be "judged" by God, see John 5:24. So that here, too, it must be the world of unbelievers which is in view. is used of humanity minus believers: John 15:18; Rom. 3:6 "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated Me before it hated you." Believers do not "hate" Christ, so that "the world" here must signify the world of unbelievers in contrast from believers who love Christ. "God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world." Here is another passage where "the world" cannot mean "you, me, and everybody," for believers will not be "judged" by God, see John 5:24. So that here, too, it must be the world of unbelievers which is in view.

"Kosmos" is used of Gentiles in contrast from Jews: Rom. 11:12 etc. "Now if the fall of them (Israel) be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them (Israel) the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their (Israel's) fulness." Note how the first clause in italics is defined by the latter clause placed in italics. Here, again, "the world" cannot signify all humanity for it excludes Israel!

"Kosmos" is used of believers only: John 1:29; 3:16, 17; 6:33; 12;47; I Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19. We leave our readers to turn to these passages, asking them to note, carefully, exactly what is said and predicated of "the world" in each place. is used of believers only: John 1:29; 3:16, 17; 6:33; 12;47; I Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19. We leave our readers to turn to these passages, asking them to note, carefully, exactly what is said and predicated of "the world" in each place.

Thus it will be seen that "kosmos" has at least seven clearly defined different meanings in the New Testament. It may be asked, Has then God used a word thus to confuse and confound those who read the Scriptures? We answer, No! nor has He written His Word for lazy people who are too dilatory, or too busy with the things of this world, or, like Martha, so much occupied with "serving," they have no time and no heart to "search" and "study" Holy Writ! Should it be asked further, But how is a searcher of the Scriptures to know which of the above meanings the term "world" has in any given passage? The answer is: This may be ascertained by a careful study of the context, by diligently noting what is predicated of "the world" in each passage, and by prayer fully consulting other parallel passages to the one being studied. The principal subject of John 3:16 is Christ as the Gift of God.

The first clause tells us what moved God to "give" His only begotten Son, and that was His great "love;" the second clause informs us for whom God "gave" His Son, and that is for, "whosoever (or, better, 'every one') believeth;" while the last clause makes known why God "gave" His Son (His purpose), and that is, that everyone that believeth "should not perish but have everlasting life." That "the world" in John 3:16 refers to the world of believers (God's elect), in contradistinction from "the world of the ungodly" (2 Pet. 2:5), is established, unequivocally established, by a comparison of the other passages which speak of God's "love." "God commendeth His love toward US"-the saints, Rom. 5:8. "Whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth"-every son, Heb. 12:6. "We love Him, because He first loved US"-believers, I John 4:19. The wicked God "pities" (see Matt. 18:33). Unto the unthankful and evil God is "kind" (see Luke 6:35). The vessels of wrath He endures "with much long-suffering" (see Rom. 9:22). But "His own" God "loves"!!

The other Greek words translated as "world" in the NT are "aeon" and "oikoumene" translated "age" and "ecumenical," respectively.
 
"Kosmos" is used of believers only: John 1:29; 3:16, 17; 6:33; 12;47; I Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19. We leave our readers to turn to these passages, asking them to note, carefully, exactly what is said and predicated of "the world" in each place. is used of believers only: John 1:29; 3:16, 17; 6:33; 12;47; I Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19. We leave our readers to turn to these passages, asking them to note, carefully, exactly what is said and predicated of "the world" in each place.
It is an absurdity to claim that kosmos is used of believers only

example

John 12:47 (LEB) — 47 And if anyone hears my words and does not observe them, I will not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

context clearly shows any who do not believe are not judged because Christ did not come to judge the world.


His is a work based on a need to support his Calvinist theology which is not shared by any lexcicon.

and rebutted even by some of his own theological persausion

Even more telling is that Calvinists themselves do not agree with the opinion of their theological brothers that “world” should be limited to the “world of the Elect”. Note the words of eminent Theologian-New Testament scholar, D.A. Carson, hardly a theological friend of non-Calvinism, as he comments on John 3.16:

“I know that some try to take “world” here to refer to the elect. But that really will not do. All the evidence of the usage of the word in John’s Gospel is against the suggestion…More importantly; in Johannine theology the disciples themselves once belonged to the world but were drawn out of it. On this axis, God’s love for the world cannot be collapsed into his love for the elect” (The Difficult Doctrine of the Love of God, p.17).
J.C. Ryle, usually a well-respected, theological darling of many modern strict Calvinists, writes of making God's love for the world in John 3:16 into God's particular love for the Elect, these indicting words:

“For one thing, it seems to me a violent straining of language to confine the word “world” to the elect. “The world” is undoubtedly a name sometimes given to the “wicked” exclusively. But I cannot see it is a name ever given to the saints…The true view of the words “God so loved the world”, I believe to be this. The “world” means the whole human race of mankind, both saints and sinners, without any exception.” (Ryle’s Expository Thoughts on the Gospels, Vol.3, p.156-157).
Perhaps most interesting of all comments on John 3.16, are made by him whose modern students have evidently focused too much on his theology and not enough on his Biblical commentaries. He writes clearly on the identity of the world in John 3.16:

“Christ brought life, because the Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish…And He has employed the universal term “whosoever”, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term “world”, which He formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the “world” that is worthy of the favor of God, yet He shows Himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when He invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ…”(John Calvin’s Commentaries, Vol.17, p.122-125).
 
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God" ("And the Word was God")>

So, how is "the Word, WITH God.......and also.......WAS God".. ????


A.) "Let US...... make man ........in OUR... image".


AA.) "US... and OUR">.. = "The Word was WITH God.......and = WAS God"..

So, this is The Father and the Jesus the WORD.. = pre-incarnate".

See those 2? That is "US>.. and OUR"... as ONE.

Next..

"The WORD.... ... (who Was God)... was manifested in the FLESH".... as the virgin born : JESUS... the "God-man".
 
John 1, ......... 2 Tim 3:16 ......... 1 Tim 3:16... John 8:58. (KJV)

JOHN.....stated that the "Word was God", and we read that "the WORD became Flesh, and dwelt among us".

So, if "The Word was God and The WORD was with God"... (KJV) ..according to John, and if this is referring to GOD.....Himself... then when "God was Manifested in the Flesh"... as "The WORD became Flesh, and dwelt among us".. then according to "mono" theism... God just left Heaven, and became a Man, so, I guess God's Throne, was empty for 33+ Years while He was down here.

But lets look at it another way.

We see that JOHN, the Apostle, has credited/explained that = "the Word was God"... "and The Word was WITH God". ... John 1 (KJV)

Now...Reader.... Do YOU believe that GOD, made the world. ???
And im talking about the spinning Green Globe that you are standing on that is Traveling around the Sun.

So, as GOD made the world (the Earth)... then notice another verse that John Wrote in the same Gospel were He Identified "The Word was God, and was WITH God'... (John 1).

Look at John 1:10........10 verses later... = after John said.. "was God and was with God". (KJV)

John says, in verse 10.......that : """""Jesus was in the world and the
World was MADE... BY... HIM.."""" (KJV).

""""MADE... by HIM""""">...... So, Who is that? = that is the one who "MADE the WORLD".

And John identifies "HIM" by name as : "JESUS">. = "who made the WORLD".

So, we see that the one who "made the world" .... = "WAS God, and was with God"...= John 1


This is the Apostle JOHN who teaches that """Jesus made the WORLD"""".. and he should know.
 
Here is Jesus "Pre-incarnate".. and God, in the same verse, written by John.

1.) "Let US.......make man..........in OUR Image"

"US and OUR" = Plural......(2)

Now, John then says.....10 verse later... same Chapter........"Jesus was in the world, and the WORLD was MADE ... by Him"

'" The world was MADE......by HIM">........... and who is "Him" in the verse. ??????

A.) JESUS

AA.) Jesus made the world........when He was in Heaven as "the Word".....before He was virgin born.

So, when we read that "God said......let there BE"........then that is the "WORD who is doing that"..., as "JESUS is the WORD made Flesh".
 
There is no rebuttal, you deceived
If there was any truth to your claims you would actually address the verses and show they are consistent with your theology, but you never do and just offer bald denial and an misinterpretation of another verse, thereby denying multiple verses in the process.
 
If there was any truth to your claims you would actually address the verses and show they are consistent with your theology, but you never do and just offer bald denial and an misinterpretation of another verse, thereby denying multiple verses in the process.
The burden is on the one presenting them to address them first, meaning exegete them first, dont expect others to do you alls work for you. Prove it
 
The burden is on the one presenting them to address them first, meaning exegete them first, dont expect others to do you alls work for you. Prove it
I did as i presented verses .

You ignored them.

I presented arguments you ignored them as well

It is all you do.
 
I did as i presented verses .

You ignored them.

I presented arguments you ignored them as well

It is all you do.
The burden is on you all to provide the exegesis first, dont dump it off on your opponent. Once you exegete all the verses you provide in a discussion, then your opponent is bound to do the same.
 
It is an absurdity to claim that kosmos is used of believers only

example

John 12:47 (LEB) — 47 And if anyone hears my words and does not observe them, I will not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

context clearly shows any who do not believe are not judged because Christ did not come to judge the world.


His is a work based on a need to support his Calvinist theology which is not shared by any lexcicon.

and rebutted even by some of his own theological persausion

Even more telling is that Calvinists themselves do not agree with the opinion of their theological brothers that “world” should be limited to the “world of the Elect”. Note the words of eminent Theologian-New Testament scholar, D.A. Carson, hardly a theological friend of non-Calvinism, as he comments on John 3.16:

“I know that some try to take “world” here to refer to the elect. But that really will not do. All the evidence of the usage of the word in John’s Gospel is against the suggestion…More importantly; in Johannine theology the disciples themselves once belonged to the world but were drawn out of it. On this axis, God’s love for the world cannot be collapsed into his love for the elect” (The Difficult Doctrine of the Love of God, p.17).
J.C. Ryle, usually a well-respected, theological darling of many modern strict Calvinists, writes of making God's love for the world in John 3:16 into God's particular love for the Elect, these indicting words:

“For one thing, it seems to me a violent straining of language to confine the word “world” to the elect. “The world” is undoubtedly a name sometimes given to the “wicked” exclusively. But I cannot see it is a name ever given to the saints…The true view of the words “God so loved the world”, I believe to be this. The “world” means the whole human race of mankind, both saints and sinners, without any exception.” (Ryle’s Expository Thoughts on the Gospels, Vol.3, p.156-157).
Perhaps most interesting of all comments on John 3.16, are made by him whose modern students have evidently focused too much on his theology and not enough on his Biblical commentaries. He writes clearly on the identity of the world in John 3.16:

“Christ brought life, because the Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish…And He has employed the universal term “whosoever”, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term “world”, which He formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the “world” that is worthy of the favor of God, yet He shows Himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when He invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ…”(John Calvin’s Commentaries, Vol.17, p.122-125).
It doesn't say believers only.

Here's something that destroys the belief "world" in John 3:16 means everybody on the planet.

Jesus as High Priest is about to be crucified. In John 17 Jesus as High Priest does the two things a high priest under the Law is commanded of God to do as part of their function in the Tabernacle at the time of Moses.
The High Priest prays for the people of God IN COVENANT and offers sacrifices for the people of God IN COVENANT, and this Jesus did in John 17.

But Jesus prayed for Himself, for the twelve disciples, and for those who will become saved due to their testimony. But one thing Jesus is clear about is that He doesn't pray for the "world" (everybody on the planet.)
Thus, those NOT IN COVENANT (non-Hebrew Gentiles) are left unsanctified and without a prayer.
The time for Jesus to pray for the "world" as you define the word, was right then and there but He doesn't. That's because Jesus did not die for the "world." He dies for "THEM" (those the Father gave the Son.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Jn 17:8–9.

And when on the cross Jesus seals the deal for those in covenant with God, that is, the children of Israel, when He says, Father, forgive THEM for they know not what they do."
Who are the "THEM"?

Go back to John 17.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine THEY were, and thou gavest THEM me; and THEY have kept thy word.
7 Now THEY have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto THEM the words which thou gavest me; and THEY have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and THEY have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for THEM: I pray not for the world, but for THEM which thou hast given me; for THEY are thine.
John 17:6–9.

The children of Israel are under covenant with the God of Abraham.
The non-Hebrew "world" is NOT.
 
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