"Works Salvation"

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Actually when you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior you step out of the darkness and into the light.

But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from every sin. (1 John 1:7)

Walking in the light means walking as Christ walked while here on earth—seeking to imitate His life style in all that we do. When we walk in the light, our paths become illuminated and purposeful, and there is a glow of warmth and love in our lives that makes us want to care for the needs of others. This life of love is not merely a soft sentimental feeling—but rather a life of action.

Your A new creation, the old man is dead. Jesus takes away our sin nature. We're clean from the inside out... salvation...that's what I'm talking about.

Hi @Aeliana,

We are in agreement on everything written here in this post, except for what you say concerning the old sin nature: for it will be with us until the day we die, it is not destroyed. We are given a new nature which is of the spirit, which we feed and nourish through the reading of God's word, and in which we walk in newness of life before the Father. Empowered by the Spirit.

We starve the old nature, the old man, by ignoring it's calls and claims, and by living in thanksgiving and praise to the One Who has called us out of darkness into light, out from under the law of sin and death into the law of the spirit of life which is in Christ Jesus.

Thank you Aeliana,
Every blessing
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Aeliana]

He knew all right, He was just deceiving himself but deep down inside he knew. That's where shame and guilt comes from. Human beings will try to cover up shame and guilt with self-righteousness. Unless he was a psychopath, in that case he would be justified in his own eyes.

But then you have Nicodemus, he came to speak with Jesus at night. Many have speculated that Nicodemus was afraid or ashamed to visit Jesus in broad daylight, so he made a nighttime visit. He came from the darkness to the light. I wonder why he would be ashamed to visit the Lord of Glory?

Could it be the deep down inside he knew that he was also deceiving himself into believing that keeping the letter of the law Made him better than other men?

 

[Aeliana]

Hi @Aeliana,

We are in agreement on everything written here in this post, except for what you say concerning the old sin nature: for it will be with us until the day we die, it is not destroyed. We are given a new nature which is of the spirit, which we feed and nourish through the reading of God's word, and in which we walk in newness of life before the Father. Empowered by the Spirit.

We starve the old nature, the old man, by ignoring it's calls and claims, and by living in thanksgiving and praise to the One Who has called us out of darkness into light, out from under the law of sin and death into the law of the spirit of life which is in Christ Jesus.

Thank you Aeliana,
Every blessing
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

I think you're right, Our old nature can be declared Dead but we can easily resurrecte it. It's like the renewing of your mind. I don't think your mind gets renewed all at once, There's still leftover junk in there. We have to just keep moving forward and let the Holy Spirit guide and direct us.

 

[dwight92070]

Jesus commanded everyone to repent and believe in the gospel of the kingdom of God, but only God decides who will be saved and who will be lost, according to Calvinists. Men have NO say-so in it - it is totally up to God. Those He chooses to save cannot choose otherwise, they must be saved. Those He chooses to be lost cannot choose otherwise, they must be lost. God predestined the saved to inherit eternal life - the saved can NEVER turn away from God, He will not allow them to. On the other hand, God predestined the lost to spend eternity in the lake of fire. The lost can NEVER turn to God, He will not allow them to.

According to Calvinism, God's will is always done. EVERYTHING you say, think or do, is God's will. EVERYTHING ANYONE says, thinks or does is God's will. EVERY EVENT in nature is God's will. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENS unless God wills it to happen. Were you molested and raped as a child? That was God's will. Did someone murder a beloved family member of yours? That was God's will. Were you beaten and tortured? That was God's will. The horrendously evil acts of Hamas against the Israeli men, women, children, elderly and babies on October 7, was God's will. Hamas cut off the fingers of a 7 year Jewish boy and the foot of his young sister. That was God's will. Hamas baked Jewish babies in ovens. That was God's will. Hamas beheaded other Jewish babies. That was God's will. Hitler exterminated the Jews in WW2 - that was God's will. If you have cancer, that was God's will. If you were in a car accident , that was God's will. Did your parents abandon you? That was God's will. Did your house burn to the ground? That was God's will. Did you get saved? That was God's will. Did your loved one die and go to hell? That was God's will.

A simple way of understanding Calvinism is:

1. You WILL BE SAVED FOR all eternity,
If you WERE SAVED FROM all eternity. (God's sovereign choice - you had NO choice)

OR

2. You WILL BE DAMNED FOR all eternity,
If you WERE DAMNED FROM all eternity. (God's sovereign choice - you had NO choice)

There are NO OTHER OPTIONS. God's will is that He will either send us to heaven, through NO actions or decisions on our part, or He will send us to hell, through NO actions or decisions on our part - and THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT - EITHER WAY.

There's NO NEED to get born again or saved, because God has ALREADY DETERMINED WHICH OF THE TWO OPTIONS HE WILL PUT YOU IN.
There's NO NEED to preach the gospel, because THAT WON'T CHANGE GOD'S MIND, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
There's NO NEED to live a holy life, because YOU CAN'T CHANGE GOD'S MIND ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE HEADED FOR ETERNITY.
WHATEVER IS GOOD AND WHATEVER IS EVIL DOESN'T MATTER - YOU WILL STILL END UP WHERE GOD WANTS TO PUT YOU.
You might as well eat, drink, and be merry NOW, because you may not get the chance in the next life - or death.

ONLY a cruel, unjust God would act this way, which is why we DON'T READ of the God of the Bible acting like this.
If I believed in such a twisted, evil understanding of God and the Bible, I would be ashamed to let anyone know.

 

[civic]

Jesus commanded everyone to repent and believe in the gospel of the kingdom of God, but only God decides who will be saved and who will be lost, according to Calvinists. Men have NO say-so in it - it is totally up to God. Those He chooses to save cannot choose otherwise, they must be saved. Those He chooses to be lost cannot choose otherwise, they must be lost. God predestined the saved to inherit eternal life - the saved can NEVER turn away from God, He will not allow them to. On the other hand, God predestined the lost to spend eternity in the lake of fire. The lost can NEVER turn to God, He will not allow them to.

According to Calvinism, God's will is always done. EVERYTHING you say, think or do, is God's will. EVERYTHING ANYONE says, thinks or does is God's will. EVERY EVENT in nature is God's will. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENS unless God wills it to happen. Were you molested and raped as a child? That was God's will. Did someone murder a beloved family member of yours? That was God's will. Were you beaten and tortured? That was God's will. The horrendously evil acts of Hamas against the Israeli men, women, children, elderly and babies on October 7, was God's will. Hamas cut off the fingers of a 7 year Jewish boy and the foot of his young sister. That was God's will. Hamas baked Jewish babies in ovens. That was God's will. Hamas beheaded other Jewish babies. That was God's will. Hitler exterminated the Jews in WW2 - that was God's will. If you have cancer, that was God's will. If you were in a car accident , that was God's will. Did your parents abandon you? That was God's will. Did your house burn to the ground? That was God's will. Did you get saved? That was God's will. Did your loved one die and go to hell? That was God's will.

A simple way of understanding Calvinism is:

1. You WILL BE SAVED FOR all eternity,
If you WERE SAVED FROM all eternity. (God's sovereign choice - you had NO choice)

OR

2. You WILL BE DAMNED FOR all eternity,
If you WERE DAMNED FROM all eternity. (God's sovereign choice - you had NO choice)

There are NO OTHER OPTIONS. God's will is that He will either send us to heaven, through NO actions or decisions on our part, or He will send us to hell, through NO actions or decisions on our part - and THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT - EITHER WAY.

There's NO NEED to get born again or saved, because God has ALREADY DETERMINED WHICH OF THE TWO OPTIONS HE WILL PUT YOU IN.
There's NO NEED to preach the gospel, because THAT WON'T CHANGE GOD'S MIND, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
There's NO NEED to live a holy life, because YOU CAN'T CHANGE GOD'S MIND ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE HEADED FOR ETERNITY.
WHATEVER IS GOOD AND WHATEVER IS EVIL DOESN'T MATTER - YOU WILL STILL END UP WHERE GOD WANTS TO PUT YOU.
You might as well eat, drink, and be merry NOW, because you may not get the chance in the next life - or death.

ONLY a cruel, unjust God would act this way, which is why we DON'T READ of the God of the Bible acting like this.
If I believed in such a twisted, evil understanding of God and the Bible, I would be ashamed to let anyone know.

And besides all the above its Gods will that you and I as fellow believers do not agree on many doctrines.This god promotes division, disunity, disharmony, cognitive dissonance etc..... within the body of Christ.

 

[Doug Brents]

Oh yes, none understands or seeks the True God

That is a complete falsehood. As an example, Saul was seeking and worshiping the true God all his life, but up until his encounter on the road to Damascus, he was worshiping Him improperly: he was worshiping the correct and true God, but he was doing so improperly. The Athenians to whom Paul preached in Acts 17:22 and following were seeking the One True God, but they didn't know who He was, so they worshiped many gods and even "the Unknown God" trying to make sure that they didn't miss the One True God. They weren't incapable of seeking Him, but they were ignorant of Him, so they needed to be taught, which is what Paul did. God put us here so that we would (because we can) seek Him, and find Him, because He is not very far from each of us.

 

[Doug Brents]

Its in regards to all people who are already saved, regenerated

Not just the saved/regenerated, but all people (as you already agreed).

Yes Rom 10:9-10 is to saved regenerated jews to be exact, but it applies to whosoever

It applies to "whosoever"! Everyone who believes and confesses Jesus as Lord, not just those who have already been regenerated, because belief and confession LEAD TO regeneration.

 

[Doug Brents]

Acts 3:19 makes it abundantly clear what we must do to receive forgiveness of sins. I notice you don't quote the whole verse:
"Repent therefore and be converted (or return NASB), that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing my come from the presence of the Lord, ..." This lines up perfectly with "Repent and believe in the gospel." (Mark 1:15) NO mention of water baptism in either of these verses.

You are correct, there is no mention of baptism in these verses. But let me ask you, are these passages more "Scripture" than Acts 2:38? or Col 2:11-12? or Rom 6:1-4? NO! All these passages are equally Scripture; equally breathed out by the Holy Spirit. Which means that to take one of them as more important, more meaningful, more indicative of what we must do than the other is to disregard the Holy Spirit and ignore part of His command for our salvation.

Acts 2:38 - We know the proper interpretation of this verse by looking at ALL the other verses about baptism. It's the REPENTANCE (and believing) that remits sins, NOT the water baptism.

That is not what Acts 22:16, Eph 5:26-27, Gal 3:26-27, and 1 Pet 3:21 say. It is not the believing or repenting that puts us into Christ, washes away our sins, and regenerates us with new life; it is baptism that does these things.

They asked "what shall we do?", being convicted by God (in verse 37) of being complicit in the killing of Jesus. Peter commanded them to first "Repent". He knew they already "Believed", being convicted by the truth. What's the next step? Obviously, after salvation, get baptized in water.

There is no division between repentance and baptism in Acts 2:38. The Holy Spirit through Paul is not saying to repent so you can be forgiven and then be baptized to show that you were forgiven. No, repentance and baptism are both included in what the Holy Spirit says brings about forgiveness.

 

[brightfame52]

That is a complete falsehood. As an example, Saul was seeking and worshiping the true God all his life, but up until his encounter on the road to Damascus, he was worshiping Him improperly: he was worshiping the correct and true God, but he was doing so improperly. The Athenians to whom Paul preached in Acts 17:22 and following were seeking the One True God, but they didn't know who He was, so they worshiped many gods and even "the Unknown God" trying to make sure that they didn't miss the One True God. They weren't incapable of seeking Him, but they were ignorant of Him, so they needed to be taught, which is what Paul did. God put us here so that we would (because we can) seek Him, and find Him, because He is not very far from each of us.

No its not a falsehood. Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[brightfame52]

Not just the saved/regenerated, but all people (as you already agreed).

It applies to "whosoever"! Everyone who believes and confesses Jesus as Lord, not just those who have already been regenerated, because belief and confession LEAD TO regeneration.

Rom 10:9-10 only applies to the already regenerated. saved. The word is already in their heart, implanted by regeneration Rom 10:8

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

 

[Rowan]

Salvation by faith is where it's at. Once good works are introduced into the salvation process, salvation is no longer by faith alone; it is by faith and works. To imply that salvation is maintained by good works (or not sinning) is to take the daily burden of our salvation upon ourselves. In that case, there will be room for boasting in heaven.

Saying that God’s grace enables us to maintain good works will not solve this dilemma. For who is responsible for daily appropriating that grace? That would be God. So we are back where we began.

And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God; (grace)
9 Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law’s demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.]
Eph 2:8–9.

Salvation is based on God’s gracious call and not human works, on his grace and not human effort

[For it is He] Who delivered and saved us and called us with a calling in itself holy and leading to holiness [to a life of consecration, a vocation of holiness]; [He did it] not because of anything of merit that we have done, but because of and to further His own purpose and grace (unmerited favor) which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began [eternal ages ago].
2 Timothy 1:9 1:9.

30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles who did not follow after righteousness [who did not seek salvation by right relationship to God] have attained it by faith [a righteousness imputed by God, based on and produced by faith],
Romans 9:30

 

[dwight92070]

You are correct, there is no mention of baptism in these verses. But let me ask you, are these passages more "Scripture" than Acts 2:38? or Col 2:11-12? or Rom 6:1-4? NO! All these passages are equally Scripture; equally breathed out by the Holy Spirit. Which means that to take one of them as more important, more meaningful, more indicative of what we must do than the other is to disregard the Holy Spirit and ignore part of His command for our salvation.

That is not what Acts 22:16, Eph 5:26-27, Gal 3:26-27, and 1 Pet 3:21 say. It is not the believing or repenting that puts us into Christ, washes away our sins, and regenerates us with new life; it is baptism that does these things.

There is no division between repentance and baptism in Acts 2:38. The Holy Spirit through Paul is not saying to repent so you can be forgiven and then be baptized to show that you were forgiven. No, repentance and baptism are both included in what the Holy Spirit says brings about forgiveness.

Again, in Acts 22:16, it's "calling on His name" that washed away Saul's sins, not being baptized - which, by the way, Saul had already done (called on His name) before Ananias came to him. You don't think that during those three days before Ananias came to him, that he was calling on the name of Jesus? Of course he was! Jesus had already told him who he was persecuting, and the Lord told Ananias that Saul "is praying" in Acts 9:11. Who was Saul praying to? You and I both know that He was praying to Jesus, the ONE who he was persecuting. I'll say it again, Ananias called him BROTHER SAUL. Believers don't address non-believers as "BROTHER". Saul had already become a believer, he already had his sins forgiven, he was already born again.

Ephesians 5:26-27 This has NOTHING to do with the NEW BIRTH or WATER BAPTISM. It specifically speaks of the sanctification process for people who are ALREADY believers, speaking symbolically of how cleansing and the "washing of water WITH THE WORD" takes place.

Galatians 3:26-27 Once again, this is NOT speaking of water baptism. It's talking about the NEW BIRTH in the same way Paul speaks of it in 1 Corinthians 12:13 "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, ... " Water baptism is one MAN baptizing another man. Being born again is a supernatural event where the HOLY SPIRIT baptizes us into the body of Christ. Later, a MAN baptizes us in water as a "picture" of what happened in the Spirit.

1 Peter 3:21 Peter is telling us that we are saved, not by the physical ceremony of water baptism, but by "the answer of a good conscience toward God." When we are born again, we take on a good conscience, because our sins are forgiven. Then in obedience to Christ, we "answer" what the Holy Spirit did in our hearts, by becoming baptized in water. Water cannot save us, but the Holy Spirit can.

Granted, the wording does make it sound like water baptism saves, but we know from all the other verses on water baptism, of which I will list a few more, that that is not the correct interpretation, and that Peter is not contradicting the entire group of verses on the subject.

Water baptism is essential for obedience, but it is NOT essential for salvation.

Jesus made it abundantly clear what is essential for salvation - and water baptism is not on the list:

John 3:14-15 "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that WHOEVER BELIEVES WILL IN HIM HAVE ETERNAL LIFE." No mention of water baptism here, and Jesus' disciples DID baptize in water.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish, but have ETERNAL LIFE. No mention of water baptism here.
John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; ... " No mention of water baptism here.
John 7:38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water." No mention of water baptism.
John 8:51 "If anyone keeps My word he will never see death." No mention of water baptism here, and Jesus' disciples DID baptize in water.
John 10:9 "I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture." No mention of water baptism.
John 11:25-26 "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die." No mention of water baptism here.

And the list of verses goes on and on and on WITHOUT JESUS REQUIRING WATER BAPTISM.

 

[Ray]

God’s Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works. Grace Alone. Faith Alone.

Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ. Our best efforts can never be good enough to earn salvation, but God declares us righteous for Christ’s sake. We receive that grace through faith alone. God even gives us the faith that trusts him. We are not saved by obeying a list of do’s and don’ts, but by grace through faith in Christ. Our salvation is in God’s hands. That’s Good News: the Gospel.

 

[Doug Brents]

No its not a falsehood. Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Again, this is hyperbole. It is not meant to be taken literally, because there are other passages, which I have cited previously, that show a literal interpretation of this verse to be incorrect. But you don't care about truth, only your interpretation of what you want to hear.

 

[Doug Brents]

Rom 10:9-10 only applies to the already regenerated. saved. The word is already in their heart, implanted by regeneration Rom 10:8

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Again, you only want to hear what you already believe, not the truth that will set you free. I feel sorry for you.

 

[Doug Brents]

Again, in Acts 22:16, it's "calling on His name" that washed away Saul's sins, not being baptized - which, by the way, Saul had already done (called on His name) before Ananias came to him.

If that were the case, then he would not have still been in sin when Ananias arrived. Yet, what Ananias told Saul fits perfectly with what Peter said on Pentecost, be baptized in order to receive forgiveness of sin.

You don't think that during those three days before Ananias came to him, that he was calling on the name of Jesus? Of course he was! Jesus had already told him who he was persecuting, and the Lord told Ananias that Saul "is praying" in Acts 9:11. Who was Saul praying to? You and I both know that He was praying to Jesus, the ONE who he was persecuting. I'll say it again, Ananias called him BROTHER SAUL. Believers don't address non-believers as "BROTHER". Saul had already become a believer, he already had his sins forgiven, he was already born again.

Again, that is not true. Saul was still in sin when Ananias arrived. And Saul would not have been praying to Jesus, but to the Father (the One to whom he had been praying all his life). He may have been praying ABOUT Jesus, but not TO Him.

Ephesians 5:26-27 This has NOTHING to do with the NEW BIRTH or WATER BAPTISM. It specifically speaks of the sanctification process for people who are ALREADY believers, speaking symbolically of how cleansing and the "washing of water WITH THE WORD" takes place.

Read the passage more carefully. Yes, it is speaking of the Church (the Bride of Christ), but it is pointing back to before the members of the Church were part of the Church. They were brought into the Church by being cleansed and made pure and spotless. How? By being washed in the water by the Word. Which points to Eph 2:11-12 and Rom 6:1-4 which show that during baptism the Holy Spirit removes our sins and unites us with Christ.

Galatians 3:26-27 Once again, this is NOT speaking of water baptism. It's talking about the NEW BIRTH in the same way Paul speaks of it in 1 Corinthians 12:13 "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, ... " Water baptism is one MAN baptizing another man. Being born again is a supernatural event where the HOLY SPIRIT baptizes us into the body of Christ. Later, a MAN baptizes us in water as a "picture" of what happened in the Spirit.

That is not what is commanded in Matt 28:19 and Mark 16:16. In those passages, it is man immersing another in water so that they will receive salvation. Yes, it is the Holy Spirit who does the work, as explained in Eph 2:11-12 and Rom 6:1-4, but this occurs during man's act of water immersion.

1 Peter 3:21 Peter is telling us that we are saved, not by the physical ceremony of water baptism, but by "the answer of a good conscience toward God." When we are born again, we take on a good conscience, because our sins are forgiven. Then in obedience to Christ, we "answer" what the Holy Spirit did in our hearts, by becoming baptized in water. Water cannot save us, but the Holy Spirit can.

Water cannot save us, but our faith expressed through receiving water baptism does. Note the statement in 1 Pet 3:21, "baptism now saves you". Not repentance, not belief, not some mental gymnastics; baptism saves you.

John 3:14-15 "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that WHOEVER BELIEVES WILL IN HIM HAVE ETERNAL LIFE." No mention of water baptism here, and Jesus' disciples DID baptize in water.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish, but have ETERNAL LIFE. No mention of water baptism here.
John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; ... " No mention of water baptism here.
John 7:38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water." No mention of water baptism.
John 8:51 "If anyone keeps My word he will never see death." No mention of water baptism here, and Jesus' disciples DID baptize in water.
John 10:9 "I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture." No mention of water baptism.
John 11:25-26 "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die." No mention of water baptism here.

And the list of verses goes on and on and on WITHOUT JESUS REQUIRING WATER BAPTISM.

This is a good list of verses, but let me ask you, which one of these is more Scripture than Acts 2:38, or 1 Pet 3:21, or Rom 6:1-4, or any of the other passages that say baptism is the point at which we receive salvation? But you started your list a little late in John to catch Jesus' instruction on baptism. John 3:5 says, "Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." If you are not baptized, during which the Spirit removes your sins and unites you with Christ's death and resurrection, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

 

[brightfame52]

Again, this is hyperbole. It is not meant to be taken literally, because there are other passages, which I have cited previously, that show a literal interpretation of this verse to be incorrect. But you don't care about truth, only your interpretation of what you want to hear.

Again its the truth, you are attempting to explain it away, which is evil. Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[civic]

God’s Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works. Grace Alone. Faith Alone.

Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ. Our best efforts can never be good enough to earn salvation, but God declares us righteous for Christ’s sake. We receive that grace through faith alone. God even gives us the faith that trusts him. We are not saved by obeying a list of do’s and don’ts, but by grace through faith in Christ. Our salvation is in God’s hands. That’s Good News: the Gospel.

Amen- one is saved by faith and justified by the same faith which comes before one is saved. The sequence is belief before salvation and justification. No one is saved or justified before they believe in Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

Again, you only want to hear what you already believe, not the truth that will set you free. I feel sorry for you.

Those of Rom 10:9-10 are already saved regenerated believers. The word is in their heart already Rom 10:8

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

 

[civic]

Biblical Order of Salvation below:

1- the preaching of the gospel- Rom 10
2- the hearing of the gospel- Rom 10
3- belief in the gospel- John 1:12
4- receiving the gospel- John 1:12
5- repentance Luke 5:32
6- the new birth that results in #7
7- salvation, eternal life- John 1:13
8- Justification- Rom 8:30
9- Sanctification- Rom 8
10- Glorification Rom 8:30

hope this helps !!!