"Works Salvation"
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Conditions yes. But such conditions are not in any way active in God's work of salvation. Conditions only indicate the manner in which God chooses to save.
Absolutely not. And the fact that you think so, only shows your serious handicap in comprehension of what the Bible actually says and means.
brightfame52
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brightfame52
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Doug Brents
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If you win something on a radio program, but you have to go to the station to pick up the prize, does showing up contribute to paying for the value of the prize? NO, it does not.
If you are given an inheritance, but you have to go to the lawyers' office and sign for it, does that contribute to paying for the value of the inheritance? NO, it does not.
Neither does submitting to the command of the giver of Salvation (God). He said IF you repent, then you will be saved (does repentance "earn" salvation? NO, but is it required to receive salvation? YES!). He also said IF you are baptized then your sins will be forgiven (does baptism "earn" forgiveness? NO, but is it required to receive forgiveness? YES!).
One more thing that you seem not to know and comprehend.
brightfame52
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Look all these dumb scenarios doesnt change anything, once you make salvation conditioned on anything you do, its works, synegism, it nullifies Grace !
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Doug Brents
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That is your fallacy, not Truth.
brightfame52
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If the condition is you must blink your eye, thats works, and its condemned by God
Doug Brents
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No, it is not. Faith is a condition of salvation, is it not? (Eph 2:8-9) And faith without action is meaningless (James 2:14-26). There MUST be actions we take in faith in order to receive the gift of God's grace.
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If we have to take external, visible actions, then salvation is no longer a gift of God's grace. But what we are to do is to take the internal, invisible actions of the heart, i.e. to repent and believe in Jesus.
Doug Brents
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Every word of that post is completely wrong.
brightfame52
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Thats works salvation too ! Also the internal actions of a depraved wicked heart is dead works and sinful
Yes, but much more than you ae prompting.
Doug, the promises of God secured salvation from sin and condemnation for God's elect, their works proves that God had given them a new man by His mighty power and grace based upon what His SOn did for them, we are forgiven on the behalf of Christ alone, nothing that we have done....dipping, attacking, marching, etc.
Is the cause of our salvation, but "the results of" the faith of an indwelling Spirit of God!
The difference is the differences between the true gospel and another gospel.
In what sense are you using the word salvation? Salvation from sin and condemnation, Romans 4:25; in a vital sense~John 3:5; or salvation in a practical sense from error to truth? 1st Timothy 4:16?
Or salvation in an eternal sense? 2nd Timothy 1:9; Or legally? Matthew 1:21; or final sense Romans 13:11?
Since you men use the word "salvation" so freely, surely you know what sense you are using the word, and desire others to know what you means by using the words Salvation/Save/saved.
Wrong, it is according to how one uses the word: save/saved/salvation! It a practical sense there's synergism when God uses the words save/saved/salvation in the word of God.
in all other senses there is NO synergism when the Spirit uses the words save/saved/salvation! Selah!
@Doug Brents
Doug. let me ask you a question in light of Romans 7:18: "Is it the flesh doing these spiritual acts, or a new man within us doling them?"
Bold lettering is mine, for discussion.
Doug. let me ask you a question in light of Romans 7:18: "Is it the flesh doing these spiritual acts, or a new man within us doling them?"
It is your method of reading and interpreting God's word, that brings confusion among people and even deceiving your own heart~so true are words that is written:
2nd Timothy 3:13
“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”While folks like you are deceiving others, you likewise are deceiving your own heart! A well deserved self deception!
Men like you run with sound bites from the scriptures for that is all you have to go on, since you are not taught by the Spirit of God how to study to rightly divide the word of truth ~ you men do not you practice Ezra's method of searching the scriptures daily.......
Nehemiah 8:8
“So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.”When you folks come to 1st Timothy 2:1-4, all you do, and can do, is run with sound bites, thinking they support your corrupt teachings, regardless if they contradict other scriptures, it matters little with men like you you.
Men of God labor tirelessly to make the scriptures flow from one to another in perfect harmony, knowing that the truth is one cohesive whole and knowing also they all flow perfectly together when they are given to them their proper sense, which only men of God can give to them. So, the true meaning/sense of 1st Timothy 2:1-4 is:
Who will have all men to be saved~By all men, whom God would have saved, cannot be meant every individual of mankind, since it is not his will that all men, in this large sense, should be saved, unless there are two contrary wills in God; for there are some who were before ordained by him unto condemnation, and are vessels of wrath fitted for destruction; and it is his will concerning some, that they should believe a lie, that they all might be damned; nor is it fact that all are saved, as they would be, if it was his will they should; for who hath resisted his will? but there is a world of ungodly men that will be condemned, and who will go into everlasting punishment: rather therefore all sorts of men, agreeably to the use of the phrase in ( 1 Timothy 2:1 ) are here intended, kings and peasants, rich and poor, bond and free, male and female, young and old, greater and lesser sinners; and therefore all are to be prayed for, even all sorts of men, because God will have all men, or all sorts of men, saved; and particularly the Gentiles may be designed, who are sometimes called the world, the whole world, and every creature; whom God would have saved, as well as the Jews, and therefore Heathens, and Heathen magistrates, were to be prayed for as well as Jewish ones. Moreover, the same persons God would have saved, he would have also come to the knowledge of the truth: of Christ, who is the truth, and to faith in him, and of all the truth of the Gospel, as it is in Jesus; not merely to a notional knowledge of it, which persons may arrive unto, and not be saved, but a spiritual and experimental knowledge of it; and all that are saved are brought to such a knowledge, which is owing to the sovereign will and good pleasure of God, who hides the knowledge of Gospel truths from the wise and prudent, and reveals them to babes: whence it appears, that it is not his will with respect to every individual of mankind; that they should thus come to the knowledge of the truth; for was it his will they should, he would, no doubt, give to every man the means of it, which he has not, nor does he; he suffered all nations to walk in their own ways, and overlooked their times of ignorance, and sent no message nor messenger to inform them of his will; he gave his word to Jacob, and his statutes unto Israel only; and the Gospel is now sent into one part of the world, and not another; and where it does come, it is hid to the most; many are given up to strong delusions to believe a lie, and few are savingly and experimentally acquainted with the truths of the Gospel; though all that are saved are brought to the knowledge of such truths as are necessary to salvation; for they are chosen to it through sanctification of the Spirit, and belief of the truth. (JOHN GILL)
Mock on Ismael! Apart from Jesus Christ, no man can do anything worthy of eternal life within his own power, impossible. Christians do not trust in lotteries, we trust in the promises of GRACE through Jesus' life of perfect obedience in our place being made sin for us that we would be made the righteousness of God through him.
Have no clue what you are babbling about, pretty sure you do not either.
For sure God will indeed sent a strong delusion to many who have no love for the truth, such a unconditional election of pure grace, but who took pleasure in mocking God's Grace for their own golden calf of self righteousness, that they adorn so much more than God's promises of grace through the obedience of His Son, Jesus Christ to His elect.
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