"Works Salvation"

[brightfame52]

What you and gotquestions accuse us is incorrect.

Oh no its correct.

 

[Jim]

It isnt is true, but you promote it anyway, by adding water baptism as a condition to get saved.

Conditions yes. But such conditions are not in any way active in God's work of salvation. Conditions only indicate the manner in which God chooses to save.

 

[Jim]

Oh no its correct.

Absolutely not. And the fact that you think so, only shows your serious handicap in comprehension of what the Bible actually says and means.

 

[brightfame52]

Conditions yes.

Duh right, thats works !

 

[brightfame52]

Absolutely not.

Yes its correct.

 

[Doug Brents]

It isnt is true, but you promote it anyway, by adding water baptism as a condition to get saved.

If you win something on a radio program, but you have to go to the station to pick up the prize, does showing up contribute to paying for the value of the prize? NO, it does not.
If you are given an inheritance, but you have to go to the lawyers' office and sign for it, does that contribute to paying for the value of the inheritance? NO, it does not.
Neither does submitting to the command of the giver of Salvation (God). He said IF you repent, then you will be saved (does repentance "earn" salvation? NO, but is it required to receive salvation? YES!). He also said IF you are baptized then your sins will be forgiven (does baptism "earn" forgiveness? NO, but is it required to receive forgiveness? YES!).

 

[Jim]

Duh right, thats works !

One more thing that you seem not to know and comprehend.

 

[brightfame52]

If you win something on a radio program, but you have to go to the station to pick up the prize, does showing up contribute to paying for the value of the prize? NO, it does not.
If you are given an inheritance, but you have to go to the lawyers' office and sign for it, does that contribute to paying for the value of the inheritance? NO, it does not.
Neither does submitting to the command of the giver of Salvation (God). He said IF you repent, then you will be saved (does repentance "earn" salvation? NO, but is it required to receive salvation? YES!). He also said IF you are baptized then your sins will be forgiven (does baptism "earn" forgiveness? NO, but is it required to receive forgiveness? YES!).

Look all these dumb scenarios doesnt change anything, once you make salvation conditioned on anything you do, its works, synegism, it nullifies Grace !

 

[brightfame52]

One more thing that you seem not to know and comprehend.

I know works salvation when I see it, read it, I Thank God for that as well.

 

[Doug Brents]

Look all these dumb scenarios doesnt change anything, once you make salvation conditioned on anything you do, its works, synegism, it nullifies Grace !

That is your fallacy, not Truth.

 

[brightfame52]

That is your fallacy, not Truth.

If the condition is you must blink your eye, thats works, and its condemned by God

 

[Doug Brents]

If the condition is you must blink your eye, thats works, and its condemned by God

No, it is not. Faith is a condition of salvation, is it not? (Eph 2:8-9) And faith without action is meaningless (James 2:14-26). There MUST be actions we take in faith in order to receive the gift of God's grace.

 

[dwight92070]

No, it is not. Faith is a condition of salvation, is it not? (Eph 2:8-9) And faith without action is meaningless (James 2:14-26). There MUST be actions we take in faith in order to receive the gift of God's grace.

If we have to take external, visible actions, then salvation is no longer a gift of God's grace. But what we are to do is to take the internal, invisible actions of the heart, i.e. to repent and believe in Jesus.

 

[Doug Brents]

If we have to take external, visible actions, then salvation is no longer a gift of God's grace. But what we are to do is to take the internal, invisible actions of the heart, i.e. to repent and believe in Jesus.

Every word of that post is completely wrong.