Doug Brents
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When Christ returns, there will no longer be any way to change your eternal destiny. The explanation of that is too in-depth for this thread.
"Works Salvation"
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Eternally-Grateful
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why?
Abraham was saved by faith. all men of all ages have been saved by faith (Paul said it is of faith that it may be of grace)
the blood of bulls and goats never took away sin. so why do people think it will in the future?
Eternally-Grateful
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do what?
lol. Help me figure it out.
when has anyone been saved apart from Grace? name one person who earned their salvation
DavidTree
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AGREE
When you read the words of Christ from the Gospel you will understand = "when the master of the house...."
Eternally-Grateful
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actually yes there will. we still have 1000 years of future to go through.. Many babies will be born.. Although those left alive will all be saved.. they babies they have will need to be saved
Doug Brents
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Ummm, NO!
Like I said, this should go in another thread, but very briefly:
When Jesus returns all of Creation will be destroyed (2 Pet 3:12).
The righteous will go to Heaven with Jesus, and everyone else will die (1 Thes 4:17).
The thousand years will be the wedding celebration of Jesus to the Church in Heaven (not on Earth) (Rev 20:1-6).
Then the evil souls will be resurrected to Judgement (Rev 20:11-15).
Then the new Heaven and new Earth will be created for the righteous to live in (Rev 21).
There will be NO procreation during the thousand years.
brightfame52
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@Seabass
Correction, no verse for you teaches it. Its plainly taught in scripture 1 Pet 1:2
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit[salvation], unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Sanctification of the Spirit is regeneration, which is an aspect of Salvation Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
So saving merciful work of the Spirit is necessary, for and unto obedience.
Correction, no verse for you teaches it. Its plainly taught in scripture 1 Pet 1:2
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit[salvation], unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Sanctification of the Spirit is regeneration, which is an aspect of Salvation Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
So saving merciful work of the Spirit is necessary, for and unto obedience.
Selah
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Do you not even know there was an age before this one and that there will be another age when Jesus returns at the 7th trump? … doesn’t sound like it. Come on now, you should know these things by now.
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charismaticlady
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I'm not, my friend. And neither was Jesus. I won't sin because Jesus took sin out of me. Sin is why Jesus came to take the worst type (of the two) of sin (lawlessness) out of our nature that has been so far (without Jesus) part of our nature since Adam sinned.
Romans 7 is in three parts. Freedom from the curse of sin and thus the law. Before sin and the law. And during the law until the next chapter - Jesus.
7 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Sin’s Advantage in the Law
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.Law Cannot Save from Sin
13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 ;For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Eternally-Grateful
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Um no
not only is your gospel in sad shape.
your understanding of prophesy is in sad shape
God made a promise to david, he will keep it
if you do not like that. thats too bad
Eternally-Grateful
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There were many ages.
but the gospel has always been the same
I do know those things. and I know no one has ever been saved by the law or any other means then by trusting God to save them..
From Adam until the last man who will ever recieve christ before christ ends this world. and takes us all to eternity future. that is the case
Doug Brents
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What promise to David am I overlooking?
charismaticlady
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And so is chapter 8 which frees us from chapter 7! Why do you refuse to read in context and see the difference between a born again Christian and the rest of the world. The law is still in effect for the world, but there is no need for the law for those of us who do no sin because they are not "IN THE FLESH." I have no desire to sin. I hate it because God in me hates sin.
When was Paul alive before the law like Noah and Abraham, verse 9?
Eternally-Grateful
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could have fooled me
when you seperate sins saying some are so bad they lead to death, and others do not. Your downplaying sin..
ALL sin on the surface would be enough to cause death (spiritual)
thats why we remain in a state of grace.
Of you say you have no sin, you are decieved. those are an apostles words who walked with Christ not me
please refer to him.
and we will have to agree to disagree on romans 7. Nothing in context of the words paul wrote would lead me to see your view.
and I know I will not change your view.
so its a mute point
Eternally-Grateful
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Christ and his rule on davids throne
DavidTree
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i AGREE with your post here as long as you are AGREEING to John 3:16-21 and Ephesians 2:1-10 and Romans 11:6
If you place "obedience" before Grace and the work of the SPIRIT then you would be incorrect in POSITIONING obedience in order to obtain Salvation
TRUTH Evidence = "the goodness and kindness of God leads a man to repentance"
Selah
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ah well … laters
Eternally-Grateful
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later..
Doug Brents
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And how is that promise broken by anything I said?
Eternally-Grateful
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you claim Christ will not rule on Davids throne for 1000 years did you not?
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