"Works Salvation"
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Tothalordbeallglory
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It sure does prove that my friend . Many have not been saved.
But they believe they are fine and all is well as they follow this other inclusive interfaith version
of what they now see as God and Love . But it aint GOD or is it His love they do embrace .
This is why the call is given and has been made
ITS WAKE UP TIME in churchville . WE need the grave men back who out of great love for the sheep
would feed this people truth and correct any and all leaven and error within their peoples .
Now to the trenches one and to the trenches all
The SPIRIT is at work amongst the beleivers and that SPIRIT works through the members
to remind, to warn , to rebuke , to encouage , to speak TRUTH
and to expose all that is of the darkness . Trench time with battle boots and all armour on my friend .
The hour is late and the sheep must do exploits .
Tothalordbeallglory
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We must return to the pages of the scrips for ourselves now .
I have read on some of what these men do say must yet occur .
But what they cannot see is
IT IS OCCURING already . many things that men twisted
either due to they focused on the earthen realm
or a dispensalitst this or that view , HAS blocked their eyes from seeing
MANY things HAVE been arleady occuring and its only getting worse .
That is eisegesis at its worst!! It is rewriting God's word to support your own false teaching. The words there are not PLACED INTO, but rather IMMERSED INTO.
So what? The word immerse is certainly a native English word.
It doesn't say that anywhere about anyone.
Believing the gospel and believing IN the gospel are two different things entirely. Doing what God says after we believe the gospel is the very definition of believing IN the gospel. It is the difference between believing and having faith. That you fail to understand that tells us precisely what is wrong with your soteriology.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Cornelious like any other@Tothalordbeallglory
A few errors in this one statement, not to be overly critical, but surely one would want to be as scriptural as possibel so that they would not be gulity of spreading false teachings.
1) You said: For it pleased GOD by the preaching to save those who Believe~ and I quote the scriptures youa re using:
1st Corinthians 1:21
“For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”
Listen carefully to what teh SPirit of Gdo is saying: "to save them that believe.” the twin scripture of 1st Corinthians 1:21 is here:
Romans 1:16
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
Yes, God has chosen the foolishnes of preaching to save BELIEVERS! The gospel is the power of God "ONLY" to those that believe, to all others that perish, it is pure foolishness. So, it what sense is the gospel the power of God to those that believe? It saves them from false preachers, their own deceitful hearts, etc., etc.
The word save/saved/salvaiton is used in different senses in the scriptures and our job is to see in what sense are they being used~most only think of being saved form hell fire, whehn in fact it is very seldom ever use din that sense, very seldom.
2) You said: "Even all the good prayers and alms Cornelious did , STILL he had to hear the gospel and believe TO be saved." Not from sin and condemnation, that he was already saved from that and can be easily proven with Acts 10 and comapring others scriptures. He needed to be saved with a fuller understanding of the truth, which is essential to our growth in grace and knowledge of the truth as it is in Jesus Christ. That is exactly what both Romans 1:16; and 1st Corithians 1:21 are teaching.
Please take time and consider this short mesasage, it may truly be a blessing to you and trust that it will.
man had to hear that gospel and believed to be saved .
You seem to see this more from an inclusivists view .
You seem to beleive his works could somehow have saved him . NO .
In order to have ETERNAL LIFE
ONE must believe in CHRIST .
And yes i did write that . Still cornelious had to hear the gospel and believe to be saved .
As peter later confirmed this .
So many seem so hell bent on giving those who dont beleive on JESUS
some kind of good works pass . NOT gonna bode well at all my friend .
Anyone who hears the gospel and believes not on CHRIST JESUS will face the lake of fire .
SO i suggest we get back to the preaching of that gospel with a dire reminder
YE MUST believe in CHRIST to be saved .
Inclusvists have been at work . These men crept in to decieve us
and use ideals as a means to simply bring all the religoins to work as one together . ITS ALLL a pharce .
The gospel must be put forth .
AND any who hears but believes not WILL BE DAMNED . No false hope my friend .
And i know of many who have heard that name
that gospel and yet Have not beleived , THEMS IN DEADLY DANGERS of Damanation .
SO lets not be trying to beleive , OH , Okay if they dont beleive as long as maybe they did some good
works they will be okay . NO sir they gonna burn . We need a far more solid
stance on the gospel of Christ rather than ideals that have led and will lead
to even the silencing of the gospel . PREACH JESUS , not ideals .
brightfame52
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It says it about Cornelius, a Just man. A Just man is a forgiven man. Also its implied when God told Peter that Cornelius was cleansed in that vision Acts 10:15
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
The word cleansed here katharizō:
- in a moral sense
- to free from defilement of sin and from faults
- to purify from wickedness
- to free from guilt of sin, to purify
- to consecrate by cleansing or purifying
- to consecrate, dedicate
Now its enough biblical evidence for me to make the statement, regardless of what you see it said or not, You are not the standard I go by.
AMEN!
In fact, in Matthew 28:19-20, the words baptizing and teaching or participles modifying the command "make" disciples. It describes the actual procedure for making disciples. Baptizing and teaching is not a description of what is done to disciples but rather how disciples are made.
brightfame52
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@Tothalordbeallglory
To be saved not hear and get saved. Cornelius was already saved, but he needed assurance, and God through Peter sent him the message of his salvation, now he can know and be saved in his own mind and heart. The Gospel as a word of Salvation is only sent to the saved, not to the lost perishing.
To be saved not hear and get saved. Cornelius was already saved, but he needed assurance, and God through Peter sent him the message of his salvation, now he can know and be saved in his own mind and heart. The Gospel as a word of Salvation is only sent to the saved, not to the lost perishing.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Marvel not my friend . People can beleieve the oddest of things my friend .
But the sheep , BELEIVE ALL HIS WORDS . HIS WORDS being OF GOD OF CHRIST and later of the apostels .
Those words .
WHY look you brought some of them . amen .
I DONT JUST pray for these BUT ALSO FOR ALL of those who will believe in ME through their word .
WHY , THERE IT IS . easily seen .
But as i have written before , and as you already know , folks are capable of believing just about anything
BUT TRUTH comes OF GOD and sheep believe HIS WORDS of TRUTH .
Its real simple if ya ask me . HIS burden is easy , HIS yoke be light . ITS MEN that messed so much up .
Tothalordbeallglory
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Rather odd this is . The GOSPEL as a WORD of salvation is sent
TO THE WORLD ,
its just those who do hear and beleive will be saved .
That same word , that same gospel
SENT unto the nations . I have seen many who rejected it , BUT THEY SURE DID HEAR its message .
You seem , if you dont mind me saying , attached to what i think might be calvinism .
Am i correct in that assumption .
Its not like we preach one gospel to the saved , and another gospel to the lost .
ITS THE SAME gosple , the same Word of salvation . Its just many do reject it and do so unto their own destruction .
SO lets here the OFFERING of GOD one more time from revelation pages .
AND LET WHO SO EVER WILL COME and DRINK of the Fountain of the waters of life .
HOW often I would have gathered thee only YE would not .
Lets just focus on WHAT WE KNOW SAVES and what WE KNOW DAMNS ONE
JESUS SAVES , SO LETS PREACH THE DIRE NEED to beleive ON HIM
cause if one rejects HIM they will be damned . see how easy that is , even you know that is true .
Eternally-Grateful
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Yes. a transliteration. NOT A TRANSLATION.
so we must use the definition of the original word.
Actually no it does not. water is just one of the many things something or someone can be immersed into..
it literally has many translations in the greek.
1. To Immerses
2. To place into
3. To plunge
4. To be overwhelmed
5. To be united with
its not metaphorical. it is a sentence and we should take it as it is written.
I was placed into Christ (United with) just as the people of Israel were placed into Moses (united with) 1 Cor 10: 2
It is literal being placed into. or immersed into. or placed into union with
Paul did not say as many of us as were baptized into water in christ.
this makes no sense.
take the word literally. don;t translate the word to fit your belief system
Eternally-Grateful
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His faith is in his works. not in Christ.
God said here is my gift. As many as have recieved him, to them he gave the right.
God said then he will change you from the inside out.
These people do not trust God.. they will not let go of the flesh. they have failed to repent
mailmandan
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Doug Brents
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Baptism is not a native English word, in that you are correct. It means "immersed". And as I said, there is only one immersion in the NT Church. And that one immersion requires water, and human action to accomplish.
FreeInChrist
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Eternally-Grateful
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yes
its sad, on one hand they trust their works..
on the other hand, they have doubts. so just in case. they say some sinners prayer. and think they are ok. while they are still lost
they want salvation and sin
ie they want their cake and eat it too
Oh good grief! What was called common or unclean in verse 14 was the food presented to Peter in the vision. What was declared to be cleansed in verse 14 was that food. It was a message to Peter that God no longer separated the Gentiles from the Jews in His plan of salvation for mankind. It was not a declaration of the salvation for any particular individual, Jew or Gentile. The barrier that that had existed between the Jew and the whole rest of mankind, the Gentile, was broken down ant the whole world was to be admitted to the same fellowship and privileges in the gospel.
And by the way, you are not the standard that any should go by.
Eternally-Grateful
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I have read th word of God to say what must yet occur.
I stopped listening to men blindly a few decades ago
Some things are. Some have not. and are not
like what?
yes. Jesus prophesied this, in the last days these things will exponentially get worse. i think we are witnessing this today.
He then said things will follow after.. those things have not yet happened.
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