DavidTree
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i am not a 'Calvinist' but that which you stated is 100% Gospel
"Works Salvation"
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DavidTree
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God's Grace to Noah was not conditional otherwise it would not be Grace
"if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.
But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work."
By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
Grace given to Noah and thru godly fear of God's Judgment, Noah built the Ark in faith of what God Said
Salvation always begins with God and ends with God
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Tothalordbeallglory
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Salvation sure is OF GOD and it begins with HIM and ends with HIM .
but it sure seems many desire to deny HIS salvation .
And HOW DID GOD BRING Salvation .
Firstly THE WORD BECAME FLESH and THE WORD WAS GOD . SO YES ITS BY HIM all right .
And GOD purposed to save the world how
BY the preaching of what ................THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST .
For it pleased GOD that by preaching , to save those who ................wait for it
BELEIVE . OH yes SALVATION IS OF GOD , BEGINS WITH GOD and ENDS WITH GOD .
TO DENY JESUS IS TO DENY GOD . i rest my case ya honors . TO the trenches .
With a reminder from JESUS himself
HE who is of GOD , hears GODS WORDS
ye hear them not FOR YE ARE NOT OF GOD . And later john , HE who hears us IS OF GOD
but he who hears not us IS NOT OF GOD . KNOWN TO GOD are HIS SHEEP
and all that is THE FATHERS is the SONS . No man can come to me lest the FATHER draws HIM .
ALL that you have GIVEN ME are THINE and they are mine . GOD KNOWS HIS SHEEP
and its high time his sheep expose this wicked vexing nightmare that most now call love
and draws all right into its snare of interfaith which I KNOW IS of anti christ .
Yes i said I KNOW . IT IS . by grace i have known this for years .
Seabass
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in Rom 6:16 there are just two fates for man, either 1) condemnation 2) salvation. Paul points out each of us are serving either one of two masters, we each are serving either;
1) sin unto death - condemnation
or
2) obedience unto righteousness- salvation
Note Paul did NOT say works of merit unto righteousness, he did NOT say faith only unto righteoiusness, he did NOT say sinner['s prayer unto righteousness but obedience unto righteousness, Hence Hrb 5:9 says Christ is the Author of salvation unto all them that OBEY Him.
Tothalordbeallglory
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We are but BY THE SPIRIT co helpers to the truth .
One plants , another waters , BUT ONLY GOD giveth the increase .
SO who is paul , who is appolos
who is david or who is amigo , WE but mere wee things , LET GOD BE GLORIFIED .
We are but co helpers to the truth and that BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD , OF CHRIST
OF TRUTH which does so unction us and gives us the desires , ablities
to DO of HIS GOOD pleasure .
GOD saves . And as you well know , yes i said GOD SAVES .
And the WORD was GOD . No angel could have done what GOD alone had to DO .
BUT GOD , HIS WORD SURE CAN . GOD IS OUR SAVOIR , LET ALL PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME
and always remember to DENY JESUS IS to DENY GOD .
Tothalordbeallglory
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That OBEY HIM .
In fact who one loves is who they obey whether of sin unto death , A LIE unto death
a real broad road unto death .
What do i mean you might be wondering .
I mean to say IT sure seems to me that many sure are BELEIVING IN , TRUSTING IN
HOPING IN , another jesus who Darn sure has trod THE TRUE WORDS of CHRIST under foot .
WHEN GOD SPOKE to abraham , abraham BELEIVED GOD , AND THUS ABRAHAM OBEYED GOD .
but many sure seem to love to beleive a lie that has made the road to GOD VERY darn broad .
AS IT SAYS the same thing the serpent did to eve
SURELY YE SHALL NOT DIE
or in this case SURELY ye shall not perish IF YE beleive NOT JESUS is the CHRIST . ITS A LIAR .
ITS A LIAR . and it knows how to lie quite well . ITS even claoked its lie
into a word IT CALLS LOVE and cliams is loving and cliams IS OF GOD . OH BUT IT OF THE DEVIL .
Those who made and loved a lie have a ending that awaits them . AND IT DARN SURE AINT salvation .
SO may i please remind us that intefaith is of anti christ
and there are and is NO GOOD PEOPLE in other religoins , IN FACT ONLY GOD IS GOOD .
SO its time to remind them all , OF HE WHO IS GOOD , IS RIGHTEOUSNESS
and IS THE ONLY NAME that can save and that THEY MUST BELEIVE ON HIM to be saved .
AND , and HE AINT A MINSTIR OF ANY SIN EITHER . rainbow jesus GOTTA GO
money loving jesus GOTTA GO . many follow another jesus and the one thing
about their jesus that they all have in common is one thing
IT SURE SEEMS TO SUPPORT what they love most , THEIR SIN .
DavidTree
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Peter and Paul both said faith unto righteousness
1 Peter 1:5
who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Romans 4:13 - For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law,
but through the righteousness of faith.
v16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the Promise might be sure to all the seed,
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Tothalordbeallglory
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just a real lovely reminder for us all . when it says faith
it means FAITH IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND . JESUS the GLORIOUS CHRIST .
AS you very well know that my friend .
faith in any other name , any other religoin , in budda , muhammed , new age
and etc
YEAH its faith is in the wrong one who be the god of this world and has always desired to be as GOD .
SO one more time let it be said
IF ONE DENIES JESUS is THE CHRIST
IF one denies HIM , His words
THEY DO DENY GOD . that is an absolute fact too .
Many seem to love a lie . but sheep they love TRUTH . GOD IS TRUTH , CHRIST IS TRUTH
the SPIRIT IS TRUTH . and sheep love HIS lovely words , WHICH ARE TRUTH . TRENCH on david
time gets only shorter and the hour of our betrayal is quite close .
Tothalordbeallglory
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grease the fingers for our work is not done . while there be time
Let us point to THE TRUTH .
Soon his sheep will be cast out of many places to include even the web my friend .
But silence our words on a screen
STILL they cannot silence our words from our lips . TRUST IN GOD
HOPE IN CHRIST , HE is with us and our persecutions WILL ONLY increase in time .
fear them not . To live is CHRIST and to die is gain . THE LORD IS OUR SALVATION
and UNTO HE WE OWE ALL . IN all things we do and say MAY IT BRING ALL HONOR to HE WHO has saved us .
DavidTree
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Seabass
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God CONDITIONALLY required (commanded) Noah build an ark to be saved. Had Noah disobeyed God and not build the ark he would have drown and not received God's grace.
Therefore Noah's salvation was by God's grace that CONDITIONALLY required Noah build an ark, hence obedience is not a work of merit. If Noah's obedience in building the ark was a work of merit, then God OWED Noah salvation and his salvation was not of grace.
So would God have UNconditionally saved Noah anyway had Noah disobeyed/sinned and not built the ark?
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Context of Rom 11:6
4- But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Those in OT times that were God's people were the ones that OBEYED God by not bowing to idols (Baal) as God commanded them. Ex 20:3.
5- Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
At this present time, in this present gospel dispensation, those that are God's people are so according to the election of grace. Election of grace refers to those that have OBEYED the gospel of Christ 2 Thess 1:8. There was a multitude of Jews in OT times but just a remnant obeyed God by not bowing to Baal. At Paul's present time there was also a multitude of Jews but just a remnant were of God.....that remnant made up of those that obeyed by repentin build the ark to receiveg and being baptized, (Acts 2:38). What Jews were of God that refused to repent and would not be baptized? Not a single one. Acts 18:8 Crispus became part of that remnant.
Hence in Romans Paul is NOT contrasting grace from obedience but contrasting grace from works of merit....."works by which a man merits justification, and commands which one must obey to be saved, are distinct matters." (Whiteside p. 225). Those that fail to make the distinction between obedience and works of merit will not understand the NT.
Therefore the 'not of works' does NOT, CANNOT refer to obedience as seen in verses 4 and 5 but refers to works of merit. Paul already required to be saved one must repentance (Rom 2:4-5), confession (Rom 10:9-10) and be baptized (Rom 6:3-5) which are not works of merit but necessary conditions that must be met to receive God's grace as Noah had to conditionally build the ark to receive grace. Paul did not require repentance, confession and baptism in Romans 2-6 but then contradict himself in Rom 11:6 by saying one does not have to repent, confess or be baptized.
Seabass
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Rom 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"
One of the many reasons I reject salvation by faith only is each person is serving only one of two masters;
1) sin unto death
or
2) obedience unto righteousness
The idea of faith only rejects serving 'obedience UNTO righteousness' leaving only one other master to serve.
Seabass
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yes, Paul said FAITH unto righteousness, he never said 'faith only' unto righteousness....faith and faith only are two distinct things.
Eph 2:8------------faith >>>>>>>>>> saves
Acts 2:38----------repentance >>>>> saves
Rom 10:10-------confession >>>>>> saves
1 Pet 3;21--------baptism >>>>>>>> saves
The BIble does not teach just one thing alone saves but speaks of many things that save. And since there is one gospel, one way to be saved then means a NT faith MUST include repentance confession and baptism. All the belief only in the world can never save a person who refuses to repent of his sins, who refuse to confess Christ, who refuses to be baptized for remission of sins.
DavidTree
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Water is wet = it is a 'given' that Noah was to build the Ark for God told him to do so!!!
Maybe you have me confused with someone else = i never said obedience is a work of merit
It is not complicated my Brother in Christ = just as God Says
By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
Notice how the Holy Spirit begins with faith, then moves toward divine prophecy, then action/work.
When faith is directed by prophecy into action/work it yields righteousness which is by faith
Can you SEE the Alpha and the Omega = the Beginning and the End in Hebrews 11:7
charismaticlady
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You were 10 years old. I was baptized at 10 also and that was my second baptism. 13 years later I was rebaptized again. But 7 years later I was baptized in the Holy Spirit and received many gifts of the Spirit, including hearing His voice. That was when I was born again of the Spirit. Were you? A couple months later, He spoke to me and said, "Now be baptized in water."
mailmandan
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Noah had already found grace in the eyes of the Lord and was a just man who walked with God (Genesis 6:8,9) and a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:5) before he built the ark. Noah's obedience was a demonstration of his faith but not the origin of it. Building the ark saved Noah and his family physically from drowning. (Hebrews 11:7)
Eternally-Grateful
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So your telling me you were not saved until you were 30 years old? (10+13+7=30)
mailmandan
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Interesting.
brightfame52
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@Seabass
One obeys after they are saved by the work of the Spirit who causes the obedience 1 Pet 1:2,22
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
You want man to take credit for the Spirits role in Salvation
One obeys after they are saved by the work of the Spirit who causes the obedience 1 Pet 1:2,22
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
You want man to take credit for the Spirits role in Salvation
