Do you think that one can be born again of the Spirit and not be anointed of the Spirit?
"Works Salvation"
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Nah!
"Whosoever believes and is baptized will be saved." That is a quote from Jesus.
Doug Brents
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If this is the only passage you look at, I can see how you might come to that conclusion. But your doctrine must take into account EVERY verse of Scripture, not just this one verse. 1 Pet 3:21 says that immersion (in water like the Flood) is what saves us today (through the actions of the Holy Spirit). Acts 22:16 says that Ananias told Saul to "get up and be baptized". If he was referring to "Spirit baptism", then Saul would not have needed to move. Eph 5:26-27 says that we are cleansed of sin and made holy through the washing of water through the Word. These passages put the lie to your doctrine.
brightfame52
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Eternally-Grateful
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charismaticlady
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@Eternally-Grateful @FreeInChrist @Jim @civic @charismaticlady @synergy @Studyman @brightfame52 @Doug Brents
What I desire is for any man, to show me where there is a baptism of the Spirit that NT saints must experience, or as some cults teach, one should do so for SERVICE, or else you have no power with God, which I know is a shortcut for us to labor to put off the old man and for us to put on the new man, and for us to walk in the Spirit, so that we will not fulfilled the lust of the flesh.
The Church indeed experienced the immersion of the the Spirit on the day of Pentecost, and again in Acts 10, and again in Acts 19, yet after that, there is no more record or even a commandment for the church to seek for this baptism of the Spirit, yet we are commanded to walk in the Spirit that we should not obey the lust of the flesh and "in this matter" one is filled with the Spirit of God as he/she labors to present their vessel in sanctification and honour for the Lord use, and this is an on going work we do until we leave this world.
Share with me SCRIPTURES supporting your position, you cannot, so, you do not. Where did John teh Baptist teach what youa re claiming he did, show me your proof ~ just one scripture.
Sir, you are deceived, proven by the fact all you can do is talk about what you think the scriptures teach, but that's fall from sound biblical expository preaching or exegesis, your method is my personal thinking, or what I think the scriptures teach since that's what I have been taught all of my life, so it must be so. I took Romans 6:3-6, and proved my position, right or wrong, (in your view) at least I used the word of God, to prove my understanding, much more than what you are attempting to do. If you think I'm calling Paul a liar, then prove it, it is just that easy. that's how a dialogue should and does work, btw.
What are you smoking? That's exactly what I first said to you!
Where is your support for saying what you are saying? Opinions by men are not biblical truths that should be taught as truths. Show me scriptures for saying what you are proclaiming the bible teaches. Show me, and I'll teach it if it is the truth from heaven.
Please let us do so! I thought you would never say this, so provide scriptures for your teachings.
I never said that it was not, I know and understand that it is transliteration of the word baptizo, been told that for over fifty some years and I have no problem with that, and neither do I have a problem on how it is taught in the scriptures in the different sense in which it is used, some of which I have explain myself above.
What I desire is for any man, to show me where there is a baptism of the Spirit that NT saints must experience, or as some cults teach, one should do so for SERVICE, or else you have no power with God, which I know is a shortcut for us to labor to put off the old man and for us to put on the new man, and for us to walk in the Spirit, so that we will not fulfilled the lust of the flesh.
The Church indeed experienced the immersion of the the Spirit on the day of Pentecost, and again in Acts 10, and again in Acts 19, yet after that, there is no more record or even a commandment for the church to seek for this baptism of the Spirit, yet we are commanded to walk in the Spirit that we should not obey the lust of the flesh and "in this matter" one is filled with the Spirit of God as he/she labors to present their vessel in sanctification and honour for the Lord use, and this is an on going work we do until we leave this world.
Eternally-Grateful
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lol
As usual you go on these long rants.
GOD baptizes you into the death of Christ. In doing so. He immerses you into the blood of Christ which washed all your sins away.
God baptized you into Christ. Much like he baptized Israel into Moses. Where Christ is your head.
God baptized you into the body. The body of Christ being the church of Christ, being the universal family of God
God circumcised you with the circumcision made without hands, By buring you in baptism, in the working of God (the holy spirit) who raised christ from the dead.
This is your spiritual cleansing.
if you have not been baptized By God. You are still dead in your sin.
You hopefully THEN obeyed God and got baptized in water, by a sinner who himself was saved by this same washing of regeneration (baptism) and renewal (New Birth) of the Holy Spirit
@Eternally-Grateful
Long rants? At least I used the scriptures and all I ask from you is for you to take the scriptures and proves to me and others what you believe concerning being baptized by the Spirit, I do not see this as a NT doctrine for our day, but, maybe someone can show me where it is, if they used the word of God to do so, then before God I would carefully consider what they have to say on this subject. Is this unreasonable, I think not. I'll look more into this tomorrow the Lord willing, I'm finished for today.
The works that Paul spoke of when he said that "salvation was not of works" was works of law. There are many works that are something that you do but are not works of law. And there are things that you do to be saved. Those would be works done to obey the gospel.
Yes, they are works, but they are not works of law that Paul spoke against. They are works done in obeying the gospel.
Eternally-Grateful
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Been there done that.
The pharisees could quote scripture verbaitim. Yet they crucified Christ because Christ told them their works were insufficient and they needed a savior.
Yet here you are preaching works.
You should take a lesson from the past of those who thought they were righteous by their obedience and not by Christ;s obedience
Therre is an ongoing debate in most of Christendom about what precisely constitute baptism of/in/with/of the Holy Spirit. One group think that what happened to those in Acts 2:4; 10:44 and 19:5 describes baptism of the Holy Spirit which occurred only for a very select few. The second group think that baptism of the Holy Spirit is one and the same as born again which occurs for every NT Christian.
I would add here that there is also no universal understanding of the phrases such as "filled with the Holy Spirit", "the Holy Spirit fell upon", "receive the Holy Spirit",
Thus, any discussion concerning "baptism of/in/with/by the Holy Spirit" will nearly always suffer from the disagreement of what it even is.
I don't know what you are reading into @Red Baker's posts, but he clearly does not preach works.
Eternally-Grateful
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Eternally-Grateful
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As usual, you do not read very well. He definitely does not preach baptism as a requirement for salvation. He is basically Calvinistic. He preaches that nothing we do is required for salvation. But as I said, you read very poorly and tend so often to read into the writings of others what you want to see there rather than what is written there.
No, not in other words. Rather, in your words.
brightfame52
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I don't condition salvation on anything. God does.
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