Women.

[101G]

Jesus picked all men.
The disciples He sent out were men.

Good thank you, yes, because he was in the flesh at that time, but now in the Spirit, the NEW MAN, the old man has passed away, all thing are become NEW. so in the Spirit there is neither male or female.

In the early church, men were the heads of churches.

yes, just as it was all JEWISH MEN FACES in leadership until the apostle PAUL changed that with Timothy who was Jewish and Greek, for his father was Greek. the face of the church was changing. and then with the appointment of BISHOP/PASTOR our sister Phebe who was appointed to the church in Rome by the apostle/ Pastor Paul, with the help of another BISHOP, (female), and her Husband who also was a Bishop too. this can be found in Romans 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:" Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also." Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:"

notice in verses 3 the term "HELPER". it means,
G4904 συνεργός sunergos (sïn-er-ğos') adj.
a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor.
[from a presumed compound of G4862 and the base of G2041]
KJV: companion in labour, (fellow-)helper(-labourer, -worker), labourer together with, workfellow
Root(s): G4862, G2041
now, what is a coadjutor just use a dictionary..... while online use Dictionaty.com, here is the link to coadjutor https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coadjutor

Coadjutor: 1. an assistant.
2. an assistant to a bishop or other ecclesiastic.
3. a bishop who assists another bishop, with the right of succession.

note definition #3. this what was happing in Chapter 16 of Romans here.

now how do 101G know that our sister Phebe was in that LEADERSHIP ROLE? scripture, Romans 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:" Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also."
This term "succourer" reveals it all. for it is the Greek term, using Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments,

G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pro-sta'-tis) n.
a patroness, i.e. assistant.
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291

feminine derivative of G4281? well lets see what G4291 is, ...
G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy) v.
1. to stand before.
2. (in rank) to preside.
3. (by implication) to practise.
[from G4253 and G2476]
KJV: maintain, be over, rule
Root(s): G4253, G2476


using Thayer's Greek Definitions
- Original: προΐ́στημι
- Transliteration: Proistemi
- Phonetic: pro-is'-tay-mee
- Definition:
1. to set or place before
a. to set over
b. to be over, to superintend, preside over
c. to be a protector or guardian
1. to give aid
d. to care for, give attention to
1. profess honest occupations
- Origin: from G4253 and G2476
- TDNT entry: 6:700,*
- Part(s) of speech: Verb


Now let's see where in the bible this term is used, Romans 12:8 "Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness."

1 Thessalonians 5:12 "And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;"

1 Timothy 3:1 "This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work." 1 Timothy 3:2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;" 1 Timothy 3:3 "Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;" 1 Timothy 3:4 "One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;"

1 Timothy 5:17 "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine."

Titus 3:8 "This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men."

REMEMBER THIS IS THE [feminine of a derivative of G4291] JUST AS A WOMAN IN THE PROPHET OFFICE IS CALLED A PROPHETESS. ONE CAN REPRODUCE ALL OF THIS.

101G.

 

[101G]

Not only did Jesus pick all men, but if you have watched any of the Chosen we see that the women traveled with the men, but
did the cooking, etc.

lets see if this is true. scripture, Philippians 4:1 "Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved." Philippians 4:2 "I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord." Philippians 4:3 "And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life."

well they was ..... NOT ....Laboring in the Kitchen.

101G.

 

[Phoebe]

Well, be that as it may...

8I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.11Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.12I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.13For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
—1 Timothy 2:8–14

An argument could be made that Eve was deceived by the serpent, then she deceived her husband into eating that fruit.

There are a TON of reasons people give to back up this idea but every single one relies on twisting scripture, taking it out of context (like 1 Timothy 2:12), and upholding traditional, patriarchal views of men and women’s roles in the church. So let’s start with the basics.

5 Ways the Bible Supports Women Preaching

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[Fred]

The first Christian Preacher was a woman! That's right In John’s Gospel, the Samaritan woman at the well is the first Christian preacher.

Let me introduce you to one of the most unexpected evangelists in the Bible—the Samaritan woman at the well.

Her story in John 4 is a powerful reminder that God can use anyone—yes, even you!—to spread His message of love and salvation.

That was pre-New Covenant.

 

[101G]

Anyway, you said "A forum such as this..we are not gathered. It's not church. The Holy Spirit is not 'in the midst' of digital i and o."

101G beg your pardon? scripture, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." so, this forum was not without him. and as souls, yes, we're gathered here on this and all forums. he is in the mist, because you and 101G and all of us are gathered.

 

[Fred]

well they was ..... NOT ....Laboring in the Kitchen.

How do you know that could not have been one aspect of it?

 

[101G]

How do you know that could not have been one aspect of it?

read the bible. Philippians 4:3 "And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life."

and? ...........

101G.

 

[101G]

To all,
1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal." 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;"

this First Gift of the Spirit is the PASTORAL GIFT for anyone the Spirit choses to give it to. and the term "MAN" in verses 7 is not gender related.

the Pastoral/Bishop Gift is whoever God give it to. for..... 1 Corinthians 12:27 "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." 1 Corinthians 12:29 "Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?" 1 Corinthians 12:30 "Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?" 1 Corinthians 12:31 "But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."

101G.

 

[Fred]

which laboured with me in the gospel,

Helping out with the meals involves labour.

 

[101G]

Helping out with the meals involves labour.

LOL, LOL, LOL, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, in the GOSPEL, not .... IN .... the kitchen.... Good day Fred.

man Oh man, when will they ever learn.

101G.

 

[Fred]

LOL, LOL, LOL, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, in the GOSPEL, not .... IN .... the kitchen.... Good day Fred.

man Oh man, when will they ever learn.

101G.

One has to eat.

 

[DavidTree]

@360watt , @dwight92070

I have been following everyone's conversations with @charismaticlady in the thread "Is anyone else a seer."

Not going back past the last page or so @dwight92070 reply 701 there you stated ~When a pastor, such as Jack Hayford, directly contradicts Paul's words here - and tells us that it's okay for women to teach in the assembly of believers,

Are you specifically speaking of the assembly of believers as being that of a "church congregation " when they meet for their worship sessions or of the church congregation, no matter where meeting for instruction? (ie Sunday Schools, Bible Camps, Retreats, et al?

@360watt , in the same thread, you posted reply #705 with One thing about women keeping silent in the church..is the context is about speaking out of turn and speaking in tongues....It is still saying for woman not to hold the position of pastor/bishop, and ask their hubby at home about disputations, but isn't about not speaking at all.

So what I said above you do mention church congregation meeting for worship and I cannot help but wonder it also means no woman should speak in tongues?

Funny that the idea of women in the pulpit has fallen apart within my life time.

And more so when you have the likes of Marylyn Hickey and , heaven help us all, Paula White that are in so many homes today....
And the one I cannot understand that an entire church was built around "Ellen G White"... to name a few.

IOW. Are women ok if they are not in a pulpit? And should women not participate in forums such as these?

Well, how did it go with Marylyn, Paula and the prophetess Ellen?

 

[DavidTree]

That was pre-New Covenant.

She was not a 'pastor' over men.

She obeyed JESUS by going to the men and telling them of her experience at the well with JESUS

JESUS did not ordain her, as some on here would like to believe.

 

[DavidTree]

There are a TON of reasons people give to back up this idea but every single one relies on twisting scripture, taking it out of context (like 1 Timothy 2:12), and upholding traditional, patriarchal views of men and women’s roles in the church. So let’s start with the basics.

5 Ways the Bible Supports Women Preaching

For decades women have been told that God doesn't allow them to preach and lead in the church. But according to scripture, that is not true! God calls women to preach just as he calls men, no matter what patriarchy says. This article shows how the Bible supports women preaching and leading in...

angelajherrington.com

The Samaritan woman was not a 'pastor' over men.

She obeyed JESUS by going to the men and telling them of her experience at the well with JESUS

JESUS did not ordain her, as some on here would like to believe.

JESUS never appointed a woman as an Apostle.

Good News = Gospel = JESUS spoke to the Samaritan woman and offered her to drink of Salvation

In the Spirit there is no male or female = in the Spirit

Here on earth, God established His authority to be FIRST thru chosen men and then extending to women who believe.
Women are never to show themselves as being over a man in the Body of Christ

1 Corinthians 11:3
God is the head of Christ
Christ is the head of man
Man is the head of the women

Refresh your memory on Miriam = Numbers 12:1-10

 

[MTMattie]

The first Christian Preacher was a woman! That's right In John’s Gospel, the Samaritan woman at the well is the first Christian preacher.

Let me introduce you to one of the most unexpected evangelists in the Bible—the Samaritan woman at the well.

Her story in John 4 is a powerful reminder that God can use anyone—yes, even you!—to spread His message of love and salvation.

The narrative of the Samaritan Woman is the first incident in the bible where a person’s interaction with Jesus leads them to go out and reveal his identity as Son of God to others. Nicodemus came secretly at night and departed while it was still dark.

In the bible he is portrayed as a man in fear.



Her first sermon went like this.

“Come and see a man who has told me everything I have ever done. Could he be the Messiah?” John 4:29

Her brief sermon was invitational (“Come and see”). It affirmed the humanity of Jesus (“Come and see the man”). Her sermon is interactive, inviting answers, inviting speculation (“Could this be the Christ?”). She gives personal testimony to her conversion, accepting her sinfulness, (“He has told me all the things I have done”). The power of her words moved the crowd to curiosity and thereby, to conversion.

"if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out" Luke 19:40
Jesus declared that even the stones would praise him if his followers remained silent, highlighting the inevitability of his divine recognition.

Good morning,

I think I may be misunderstood here.

I am not against women evangelists, as the woman at the well became.
If I were I would not be on here. Period. But I am against women preaching within a church.

They were not to speak in such back when Jesus walked the earth and I have never read anything that has changed it
except the acceptances of the church.

Even the RCC is leaning closer to women priests.

But thanks for your thoughts.

 

[MTMattie]

§A pastor has authority over EVERYONE in his congregation.
According to your post above....no woman should ever get married because she's better off being single and having authority over men.

No, you misunderstand me.

I am against women as pastors because they should not have authority over men.

I have nothing but respect for women who are married, and even more for those who put their husbands first and
do not try to usurp their authority that was originally given ...

IOW... The Bible presents the family structure with roles for each member, highlighting a husband’s leadership in marriage. This doesn’t mean authority to dominate but encourages love, responsibility, and protection. God’s design for marriage is built on mutual respect, with each person valued, bringing balance, unity, and harmony to the household.

Ephesians 5:23​

“For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.”

That does not belittle a woman by any stretch. It is our heavenly Father taking care of us.

You see. I always enjoyed being on that pedestal and the problem today is no one seems to know what that means.

To be loved and cherished and yes, even protected and provided for.

Thanks for responding.

 

[MTMattie]

She was not a 'pastor' over men.

She obeyed JESUS by going to the men and telling them of her experience at the well with JESUS

JESUS did not ordain her, as some on here would like to believe.

I agree. 100%

IF women were supposed to be in that position then there would have been at minimum 1 of the original 12 that Jesus hand picked...

But not one was ever told as we were in Matthew 28:19–20 of Jesus saying, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

 

[MTMattie]

Greeting MT,
1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law."

A. this is not speaking to all women, only Married women, for the term used here is,
G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n.
1. a woman.
2. (specially) a wife.
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman
Root(s): G1096
Compare: G1133, G435
See also: G1134, H802

Note definition #2. and how do 101G knows that the verse is speaking ABOUT "MARRIED WOMEN/WIVES?" because of the the next verse. 1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
the only woman who has a husband is a MARRIED ONE. a wife.

B. the apostle in the above two verses is not even speaking ..... "TO" .... Women at all, but to their husbands. let's read verses 34 again so that we can see it. 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." now for an example, if 101G was speaking to MT Mattie and say, "Let your children stop running around in the churches" who is 101G talking to? to MT Mattie or MT Mattie children? of course to MT Mattie.

holding that thought, let's go to 1 Timothy 2:11-15, which will answer why wives of the husband to be "in silence with all subjection". 1 Timothy 2:11 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection." 1 Timothy 2:12 "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

That term "Woman" here is the same word used in 1 Corinthians 14:34 for woman, G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n. and the same usage "WIFE". how do 101G know? .... let's just read the next few verses.

1 Timothy 2:13 "For Adam was first formed, then Eve." 1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Timothy 2:15 "Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety."

"she shall be saved in childbearing?" the only kind of woman who suppose to be bearing children are .... "MARRIED" ONES. meaning "WIVES.

now, how do this tie into 1 Corinthians 14:33 and 34 at church? it is the HUSBAND responsibility, (according to the Law) at HOME, if he is in the Lord himself to TEACH his ... OWN WIFE, at home the things of God, so that when they get to church they both be one one accord saying the same thing. hence NO CONFUSION, 1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."

if a wife say one thing and the husband say another... there is no peace at Home or in the church. there is no ONENESS, hence CONFUSION. now if a woman marries a Man who is not exposed to the way of God there are scriptures for that also. but here is is for the Men who are exposed to the way of God.... and for "as also saith the law?". the key word is in 1 Timothy 2:12 "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." the term "OVER" is the revealing term, let's see why. Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." NOTICE, to RULE ... "OVER", and not to rule, but rule "OVER", meaning to LEAD. and this is the Law of God here in Genesis. because Genesis falls in the first five book of Moses called the Pentateuch, or the LAW.

Hope that helped.

101G.

So as long as they are single, then accoring to your beliefs they can be ordianed preachers... possibly priests?

That will make every nun happy.

 

[MTMattie]

lets see if this is true. scripture, Philippians 4:1 "Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved." Philippians 4:2 "I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord." Philippians 4:3 "And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women

well they was ..... NOT ....Laboring in the Kitchen.

101G.

which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life."

BUT NOT PULPIT PREACHING OR IN THE TEMPLES EITHER.

OK 101G. I guess I best just leave this forum for I certainly am at witts end to always have you counter what I say for you know it all and I am nothing but a dumb broad. Fine.

Counter this one, and if you can, then I will be gone.

@101G I firmly believe that within a very short time we will know of the first man , by name and location, who actually gave physical birth to a baby.

 

[GodsGrace]

The first Christian Preacher was a woman! That's right In John’s Gospel, the Samaritan woman at the well is the first Christian preacher.

Let me introduce you to one of the most unexpected evangelists in the Bible—the Samaritan woman at the well.

Her story in John 4 is a powerful reminder that God can use anyone—yes, even you!—to spread His message of love and salvation.

The narrative of the Samaritan Woman is the first incident in the bible where a person’s interaction with Jesus leads them to go out and reveal his identity as Son of God to others. Nicodemus came secretly at night and departed while it was still dark.

In the bible he is portrayed as a man in fear.



Her first sermon went like this.

“Come and see a man who has told me everything I have ever done. Could he be the Messiah?” John 4:29

Her brief sermon was invitational (“Come and see”). It affirmed the humanity of Jesus (“Come and see the man”). Her sermon is interactive, inviting answers, inviting speculation (“Could this be the Christ?”). She gives personal testimony to her conversion, accepting her sinfulness, (“He has told me all the things I have done”). The power of her words moved the crowd to curiosity and thereby, to conversion.

"if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out" Luke 19:40
Jesus declared that even the stones would praise him if his followers remained silent, highlighting the inevitability of his divine recognition.

We are all called to testify as to our faith.
Paul meant that women should not teach men.