LOL, LOL, LOL, that's a cripple excuse. so we can take this as you have no leg to stand on.... (smile) ...YIKES!... thought so.
101G.
No Greek lexicons agree with you.
Bingo!
Yikes.
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No Greek lexicons agree with you.
Bingo!
Yikes.
Frank Russell
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Come to think of it, is there an "I know you are, but what am I?" Theology section?Maybe "women in ministry " is better suited in the " controversial " section lol.
Rockson
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I haven't seen anyone as yet bring this scripture up,
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.1 Tim 2:12
So when he says FOR that gives the reason for the statement prior right? So these two verses, 13 and 14 regardless of what all other verses one would put down these two must be the ones which should determine the issue. So what does verse 13,14 mean then?
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.1 Tim 2:12
So when he says FOR that gives the reason for the statement prior right? So these two verses, 13 and 14 regardless of what all other verses one would put down these two must be the ones which should determine the issue. So what does verse 13,14 mean then?
Frank Russell
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Jesus taught, if anyone would be greatest among you, they must be slave of all.
Now ministry means service, it's just an old way of saying it.
So someone who is already serving everyone, is already great in the eyes of God.
The discussion seems to be whether people of a particular gender should be great in the eyes of people.
Now ministry means service, it's just an old way of saying it.
So someone who is already serving everyone, is already great in the eyes of God.
The discussion seems to be whether people of a particular gender should be great in the eyes of people.
Rockson
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Or is it rather that has God has appointed certain genders to primarily do different things or to be good at them.
Frank Russell
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I don't think that's it, because in Luke when Mary of Bethany was sitting at Rabbi Jesus' feet, Martha was culturally right in saying why aren't you in the kitchen?
When a student sits at a Rabbi's feet they are expected to become as the Rabbi in length.
Jesus' reply to Martha was that Mary has chosen the better thing, and it will not be taken away from her.
There is a similar discrepancy in the prophets between what God chooses when actually present in the dialogue vs what is said when left the prophet's imagination.
No leadership role.
Rockson
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But I'm talking about in leadership roles and being in authority.
101G
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what's wrong? cannot comprehend while reading at the same time? thought so. now you're busted, and by sticking your head in the sand, the TRUITH will not change......
101G.
e v e
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it would be more important to discuss God's feminine spirit.
that line is esau's utter invention and corruption from his sorcery kjv
101G
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To all,
as we see the woman Priscilla who is a bishop as well as her Husband. now the other female bishop. Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also."
this term "succourer" that is applied to our sister Phebe means.
G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pro-sta'-tis) n.
a patroness, i.e. assistant.
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291
a "feminine of a derivative of G4291", so what is G4291?. let's see.
G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy) v.
1. to stand before.
2. (in rank) to preside.
3. (by implication) to practise.
[from G4253 and G2476]
KJV: maintain, be over, rule
Root(s): G4253, G2476
who is in those positions to "bee Over", and "Rule?" ....... "Bishops". for the Greek term "perside" means, be in the position of authority in a meeting or other gathering:
and out Sister Priscilla is one female bishop by the helpers of the apostle Paul, who is a BISHOP himself. but back to our sister Phebe
the word chosen here by our Father, the Lord Jesus, is succourer: G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pros-tat'-is) n. meaning 1. a patroness, i.e. assistant. it’s the feminine of a derivative of G4291, the male counter part. but first lets look at this word PATRONESS. the online dictionary.com say, that patroness is a woman who protect, support, or sponsors someone or thing. its Origin: 1375–1425; late Middle English, patronesses, female patron saint, Old French. well, well, well, a female patron saint. those who are catholic know, or understand what, and who, is a patron saint. and what they do. for those who don’t know. patron saint: Meaning: A saint who is considered to be a defender of some group or nation.
Classified under, Nouns denoting people. Hypernyms ("patron saint" is a kind of...): defender; guardian; protector; shielder (a person who cares for persons or property this definition is found here at http://www.audioenglish.org/dictionary/patron_saint.htm
lets look at the word “CARE”, in this definition above, in REFERENCE to a BISHOP. 1 Timothy 3:5 "(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)”. CARE: ἐπιμελέομαι epimeleomai (ep-ee-mel-eh'-om-ai) v.1. to care for (physically or otherwise). lets see by scripture, this use of care as a Bishop. Philippians 2:19 "But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timotheus shortly unto you, that I also may be of good comfort, when I know your state.20 For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state”. PLEASE READ GILLS COMMENTERY ON VERSE 20. or, either POOL. its an eyeopener.
next, 2 Corinthians 11:28 "Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches”. listen carefully to what the apostle said, “ that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches”. the apostle was a “bishop” also, let continue. to understand the word “business”, as used of our sister Phebe, in Roman 16:2 listen, “that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you”. now back to 2 Corinthians 11:28 "Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches”. PLEASE READ GILL HERE, AND CLARK ALSO ON THESE VERSES ALSO, and see what “business”, is done of the apostle, as the “business”, as with our sister Phebe. another EYEOPENER.
101G.
as we see the woman Priscilla who is a bishop as well as her Husband. now the other female bishop. Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also."
this term "succourer" that is applied to our sister Phebe means.
G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pro-sta'-tis) n.
a patroness, i.e. assistant.
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291
a "feminine of a derivative of G4291", so what is G4291?. let's see.
G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy) v.
1. to stand before.
2. (in rank) to preside.
3. (by implication) to practise.
[from G4253 and G2476]
KJV: maintain, be over, rule
Root(s): G4253, G2476
who is in those positions to "bee Over", and "Rule?" ....... "Bishops". for the Greek term "perside" means, be in the position of authority in a meeting or other gathering:
and out Sister Priscilla is one female bishop by the helpers of the apostle Paul, who is a BISHOP himself. but back to our sister Phebe
the word chosen here by our Father, the Lord Jesus, is succourer: G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pros-tat'-is) n. meaning 1. a patroness, i.e. assistant. it’s the feminine of a derivative of G4291, the male counter part. but first lets look at this word PATRONESS. the online dictionary.com say, that patroness is a woman who protect, support, or sponsors someone or thing. its Origin: 1375–1425; late Middle English, patronesses, female patron saint, Old French. well, well, well, a female patron saint. those who are catholic know, or understand what, and who, is a patron saint. and what they do. for those who don’t know. patron saint: Meaning: A saint who is considered to be a defender of some group or nation.
Classified under, Nouns denoting people. Hypernyms ("patron saint" is a kind of...): defender; guardian; protector; shielder (a person who cares for persons or property this definition is found here at http://www.audioenglish.org/dictionary/patron_saint.htm
lets look at the word “CARE”, in this definition above, in REFERENCE to a BISHOP. 1 Timothy 3:5 "(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)”. CARE: ἐπιμελέομαι epimeleomai (ep-ee-mel-eh'-om-ai) v.1. to care for (physically or otherwise). lets see by scripture, this use of care as a Bishop. Philippians 2:19 "But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timotheus shortly unto you, that I also may be of good comfort, when I know your state.20 For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state”. PLEASE READ GILLS COMMENTERY ON VERSE 20. or, either POOL. its an eyeopener.
next, 2 Corinthians 11:28 "Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches”. listen carefully to what the apostle said, “ that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches”. the apostle was a “bishop” also, let continue. to understand the word “business”, as used of our sister Phebe, in Roman 16:2 listen, “that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you”. now back to 2 Corinthians 11:28 "Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches”. PLEASE READ GILL HERE, AND CLARK ALSO ON THESE VERSES ALSO, and see what “business”, is done of the apostle, as the “business”, as with our sister Phebe. another EYEOPENER.
101G.
101G
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the source is OK, just look up what the verses are saying in context. but yes, esau's utterance did invent corruption, but not from the KJV, but from having Itching ears to hear their own IGNORANT teachers.
101G.
101G
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When a student sits at a Rabbi's feet they are expected to become as the Rabbi in length.
HOW SO?
101G.
HOW SO?
this feminine spirit, is it in Gender, or Function?
101G.
GeneZ
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Appoint MEN as elders to rule over the flock
1 Timothy 3:2
So an elder must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife.
He must exercise self-control, live wisely, and have a good reputation. He must enjoy
having guests in his home, and he must be able to teach.'
He must exercise self-control, live wisely, and have a good reputation. He must enjoy
having guests in his home, and he must be able to teach.'
grace and sanity .............
101G
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to all,
how can a man or woman be called "Rabbi?" did not the Lord Jesus made this clear? ...... Matthew 23:1 "Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples," Matthew 23:2 "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:" Matthew 23:3 "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." Matthew 23:4 "For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers." Matthew 23:5 "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments," Matthew 23:6 "And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues," Matthew 23:7 "And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." LISTEN CAREFULLY, Matthew 23:8 "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren." Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."
HELLO,
101G
how can a man or woman be called "Rabbi?" did not the Lord Jesus made this clear? ...... Matthew 23:1 "Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples," Matthew 23:2 "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:" Matthew 23:3 "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." Matthew 23:4 "For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers." Matthew 23:5 "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments," Matthew 23:6 "And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues," Matthew 23:7 "And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." LISTEN CAREFULLY, Matthew 23:8 "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren." Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."
HELLO,
101G
101G
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this is if a "man" ..... "DESIRE" the Work/Office of Bishop. these are qualifications for "MALES", not Women..... (smile). understand.... if a "MAN", a male, that "DISRE", and not appointed. get the CONTEXT CORRECT.
these qualification are for Males who "DESIRE" to be a BISHOP. these qualification listed here is not for "WOME" who might "DESIRE" this Work/Office.
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e v e
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she is His feminine spirit, a being and His attribute.
e v e
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the rabbis rejected His prophets and caused themselves to be cursed.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
but did not the Lord Jesus himself, (who cannot LIE, said "God" is Masculine?". and that God who is a "Spirit", is the one who created and uphold all things that he, he, he, MADE". supportive scripture, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," . so God is a "he". but HOLD it, we must consider something here. he, is reference to Gender by the body, note, only for easily identification, but that's physical, and God is abstract/Spiritual/none material. and God had no BODY when he CREATED ALL THINGS. so, which is it. 101G will say what the bible say unless truthful evidence emerges to change 101G's mind. this is where 101G stand for now. in our beginning God who is a Spirit made all things. but this one verse in the OT and one verse in the NT, and several correlating others verse has set 101G mind that God is masculine in Gender, (which make no difference to 101G), is this OT verse. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." 101G is well aware that man can be "MALE" and "FEMALE" in Gender. but question is this, "WHAT IS THE IMAGE OF US? THIS SET THE STAGE FOR A BODY, BECAUSE MAN IS MALE AND FEMALE. well the NT settles the question for 101G. for the US to come came via the virgin birth, which God obtain for himself a body. and as said, the body is for identification, "ONLY". and the type of Body that God came in was Gender, Masculine. supportive scripture, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." so if God is with us, in a body that was to come, and usually a Son body .... for identification purposes is Masculine. with all that being said, the NATURAL FLESH profit NOTHING. so in flesh, the body identification means NOTHING to 101G. which 101G careless about, but it is the Spirit that quickeneth.
so 101G conclusion is this. the word of God has quicken 101G Mind to consider the human flesh to be NOTHING. for in christ Jesus there is neither Male nor Female. FOR .............. Romans 8:5 "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit." Romans 8:6 "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." Romans 8:7 "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Romans 8:8 "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
so for 101G the body is for identification only, and there is no LIFE in the Flesh that is ETERNAL. so 101G will set his mind to the things that are ETERNAL. for the flesh concerns 101G not........ in then things of God.
101G.
101G
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The Holy Spirit appoint MEN, (males and Femals) in his Church. for the Work of God is the KEY. and in the Work of God, there is neither Male nor Female.
the Holy Spirit/JESUS, who is Lord GIVE "GIFTS" to men, (males and Females). if only to men, then he's a respecter of Person, (which he is Not).
101G.
the Holy Spirit/JESUS, who is Lord GIVE "GIFTS" to men, (males and Females). if only to men, then he's a respecter of Person, (which he is Not).
101G.
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