civic
Active Member
Good idea.
Why we naturally HATE penal substitution
- Thread starter Dizerner
- Start date
DavidTree
Active Member
i was responding to your topic in your post #201 & 218
No twisting or spinning please
Last edited:
Eternally-Grateful
Active Member
a calvinist says all does not mean all. it means elect
again, when you make false claims against a group. you hurt your own argument against them
synergy
Active Member
I proved that their claim that they believe the Bible coupled with their presuppositions do lead them to salvation for all. It's up to them to debate that proven statement.
Eternally-Grateful
Active Member
lol
and you say you do not hate them
if you had one conversation (serious) with them, you know this is not true
they believe that the elect is who God died for. not the whole world.
so they are not universalist.
your continued slander against them is on you.
synergy
Active Member
Stop projecting.
That is called unconditional election which is worked into my statement.
That UE coupled with the Biblical fact that God wills that all are saved means that all are elect.
If logical facts are slander then all your logical facts are slander also.
If Christ took away the sin of the whole world then on what basis is anyone judged?
Wrong as usual. No Calvinists have no say in the matter. Dumb arguement
It's called he has no idea what he is talking about.yes its called projecting.
DavidTree
Active Member
@civic
penal /pē′nəl/
But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.
God Said = penal substitution
Let's believe God at His word.
chastisement
Christ was not "chastised for Himself" = the chastisement/punishment that brought us peace
penal /pē′nəl/
adjective
- Of, relating to, or prescribing punishment, as for breaking the law.
- Subject to punishment; legally punishable.
"a penal offense." - Serving as or constituting a means or place of punishment.
"penal servitude; a penal colony."
But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.
God Said = penal substitution
Let's believe God at His word.
chastisement
noun
- The act of chastising; pain inflicted for punishment and correction; discipline; punishment.
Similar: disciplinepunishment
Christ was not "chastised for Himself" = the chastisement/punishment that brought us peace
DavidTree
Active Member
You do not know?
Here , JESUS will explain it = John 3:16-21
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
Eternally-Grateful
Active Member
unconditioanl election FOR THE ELECT.
not for all people
hence not universalism
Yes. yuou and I believe this
they believe it to. but they interpret all as elect. not as all
again, if you would actually talk to them you would know this. everyone else seems to. why don't you?
its not a logical fact. because a logical fact would only incur if they believed ALL MEANS ALL. and not just THE ELECT (not all)
but your are willing to stand on this mountain. continue. you will continue to slander calvinists. while claiming you are being slandered
Eternally-Grateful
Active Member
who is projecting. Not sure who you are talkin about here Broyes its called projecting.
do calvinists believe that all mankind will end up in heaven, and non will be in hell (universalism)
or do calvinists believe that ALL or the WORLD (john 3) means the elect.. and not literally ALL mankind nor not the whole world?
synergy
Active Member
It is not slandering to continue to defend the English language against word redefinitions (i.e.: redefining "all" as "elect"). I do not stand for that and neither should you. If you allow them the luxury of word definitions then what type of witness are you?
I believe that half of all heresies would immediately evaporate if people would just practice correct English language grammatical comprehension. This is a perfect case in point. And for us not to defend the English language is a great disservice to the Gospel.
synergy
Active Member
On the basis of belief and confession. Why are you dumbfounded with that?
So you don't believe in unconditional election? Excellent!
DavidTree
Active Member
How about we just believe the words of Christ = John 3:16-21
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
synergy
Active Member
I never said that every mother (meter) is a Theotokos. Your imagination is flaring again.
DavidTree
Active Member
You cannot escape the Word of Truth
DavidTree
Active Member
Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves.
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’
Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
LOVE the Gospel of John and especially this passage.
Thank You
Similar threads
