Why Nobody Graduates From The Bible?

[Runningman]

He finds that easier to do than seriously consider the arguments against his interpretations.

Haven't seen any arguments. I have seen noise making and hot air from you and some others, but Scripture doesn't make any arguments against the Father being the only true God.

 

[mikesw]

Haven't seen any arguments. I have seen noise making and hot air from you and some others, but Scripture doesn't make any arguments against the Father being the only true God.

uh. No one said there are other gods. You read into the posts in a biased way that steers you deeper into confusion because you want to do all you can to deny that Jesus is God along with the Father -- not a separate God. If we read John 17:3 as the only verse in the Bible, it might seem like you are right. However you deny Jesus being sent from heaven in verse 5. So your narrow concepts are blown away in the same chapter of John. Sorry to share the good news of Christ as God. It must hurt to realize that, in your perspective.
You keep repeating the same stuff without overcoming the verses showing Jesus is God. That does not help your argument by you forgetting those. Then we saw the quotes Peterlag posted that were half-truths being represented as rejection of the Trinity. That is not good testimony of the unitarian state of mind.

 

[jeremiah1five]

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, butliteral and actual.

QUOTE: "Who we were in Adam is no longer there."

RESPONSE: Incorrect. We remain tied to Adam. In Adam we die. And at the conclusion of our earthly lives WE DIE and this death is tied directly to Adam.
Now, if Jesus Christ paid the penalty for our sin, then all our sins are paid for by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Now, think for a minute. The Bible teaches that death is the penalty for sin, right? OK. At the end of our lives, we die. Now tell me, what sin are we paying for? Death is the penalty for sin. If at the end of our lives we die, then there is a sin which is causing our death that wasn't paid for on Jesus' cross. You can't get past this. This is actual. This is reality. This is true.

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.

As I explained above we are tied to Adam. Death is the penalty for sin. At the end of our lives we die. What sin is killing us????

I have noticed we graduate from all the other subjects be it accounting, mechanics or dentistry. We study the books and complete the course that brings us to the required accomplished task which is the ability to know how to do something. We study a map to learn how to get someplace. Thus, our study ends with us able to get from point A to point B, fix atooth, balance the financial numbers or build the car. How come we spend our entire lives studying the Bible and yet nobody seems to graduate?

No, incorrect, again.
The moment of our deaths is our graduation.
When we are born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise we are given a "measure" or "portion of faith."

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Romans 12:3.

Every male and female who is born-again receives all they are to become in Christ at the moment they are born-again. We receive our calling, our spiritual gifts to accomplish that call, everything - including a measure or portion of faith - that in the process of time as we study and are raised up in the knowledge of Jesus Christ and God, and this faith comes to us as a measure or portion. A certain amount. And not everyone receives the same measure or portion as others receive. Some receive more; some receive less. But it is a "measure" or "portion."
And it is faith.
What does Saul mean?
Only this.

The moment we are born into the world we are given a "portion" of faith. The word "faith" is the word "trust." When we are born into this world, we begin our journey of learning about ourselves, our parents, our siblings, other people and the world around us. We eventually go to school and learn many organized subjects such as math, language, history, etc.
We are appointed a time of two births if we are named "in the book of life of the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world" (Rev. 13: 8.)
We are appointed a physical birth, and we are appointed a spiritual birth. And we control neither birth. God controls our births. Both of them. God controls when we are born into the world. And God controls when we are born-again of the Spirit. Those [people] who are "not named in the book of life of the lamb" are born once and in time, at the end of our lives we die. Physically.
And if we are blessed to have two births in our predestined lives then upon our physical deaths we are raised in the newness of life after this world.
And when we are born-again in this life God gives us a measure or portion of faith. Our faith is directly tied to our knowledge of Jesus Christ. After we are born-again, we begin a new study, a study of ourselves, our God, and the things of God as written in Scripture. When we reach and learn this predetermined faith which is tied directly to our knowledge of God then we die. We've reached our predetermined measure of knowledge of everything God has predetermined we learn. And the moment we reach or fill up to that measure, then God calls us home (we die.)

What I believe I have been able to graduate from is the following verse...

1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

This cannot be achieved if we do not know the attributes and characteristics of the resurrected Christ Jesus.

I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

You are correct. But not entirely.
You are correct that we are instructed and commanded to "look at ourselves and our sin and to look at Christ."
But it is more than mere looking. We are instructed and commanded to learn [the] Scripture. This is what Saul told Timothy:

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 3:16–17.

First and foremost, we study Scripture (Word of God) to learn doctrine.
Once we retain and learn the truth of the Word of God (doctrine) then the Scripture is used to reprove us, and correct us, and we are to study the Scripture (doctrine) so that the man of God we are portioned to become may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. This is supposed to be a constant growth of knowledge of Scripture, of doctrine as we grow old and older in our lives. Some people are born-again in their youth or in their middle-age or anytime in between. Some have been recorded to be on death row but had been born-again hours, days, weeks, or years ago. Whatever physical age we are when born-again we start out as babies in Christ. We might know somethings about the bible, or not know much when we are born-again but then begins our journey to learn more. But whatever amount or portion we grow up in when we reach that predetermined portion then we die.
Some have more faith, some have less. But our faith/trust grows because as we learn doctrine/Scripture our knowledge of God and the things of God grows within us as we approach the totality of knowledge of God on this side of life and living but when we learn and accomplish this predetermined measure of faith we die. When I say some have more faith/trust, and some have less faith/trust, is because like a balloon our knowledge grows until we are called home to God.
That's how knowledge in our minds affects us. It expands like a balloon.

1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 1 Corinthians 8:1.

Now, I believe many - including myself at one time - are taught that "puffed up" refers to being prideful or arrogant. But that is incorrect. There is nothing wrong with knowledge. Especially if knowledge of Scripture/doctrine has to do with the Word of God. When we study under the anointing, we learn knowledge and retain knowledge. Being "puffed up" with knowledge does not make us prideful - not if we learn knowledge under the anointing of the Holy Spirit. When we learn knowledge under the anointing, we become humble. THAT is the effect the Holy Spirit has upon us. If God commands us to "get wisdom" and "with all thy getting, get knowledge" would he allow us something that is going to harm us, make us prideful? No.
Notice what Saul also says, "but charity edifieth."
The word "edify" is an architectural word. What Saul is saying is that "love" edifies us, meaning like a building being erected brick by brick love does that to us, it builds us up brick by brick, while getting knowledge "puffs us up" like a balloon, our knowledge puffs us up meaning as love build us brick by brick love blows us up like a balloon. Our knowledge expands our minds like a balloon expands when you blow into it. Our minds that receive knowledge "blows up" like the universe expands as scientists have learned about "red shift."
That's another subject.

Either way, whether we are expanding in our knowledge (puffs up) or being builtbrick by brick, we are growing into our predetermined measure of faith/trust in the Lord that when, we reach our measure, then we die. Mission accomplished. And God never fails to raise up His children in the training and admonition and knowledge of the Lord.
Mission accomplished.
Now, "Go!" and sin no more!

 

[Peterlag]

QUOTE: "Who we were in Adam is no longer there."

RESPONSE: Incorrect. We remain tied to Adam. In Adam we die. And at the conclusion of our earthly lives WE DIE and this death is tied directly to Adam.
Now, if Jesus Christ paid the penalty for our sin, then all our sins are paid for by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Now, think for a minute. The Bible teaches that death is the penalty for sin, right? OK. At the end of our lives, we die. Now tell me, what sin are we paying for? Death is the penalty for sin. If at the end of our lives we die, then there is a sin which is causing our death that wasn't paid for on Jesus' cross. You can't get past this. This is actual. This is reality. This is true.

As I explained above we are tied to Adam. Death is the penalty for sin. At the end of our lives we die. What sin is killing us????

No, incorrect, again.
The moment of our deaths is our graduation.
When we are born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise we are given a "measure" or "portion of faith."

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Romans 12:3.

Every male and female who is born-again receives all they are to become in Christ at the moment they are born-again. We receive our calling, our spiritual gifts to accomplish that call, everything - including a measure or portion of faith - that in the process of time as we study and are raised up in the knowledge of Jesus Christ and God, and this faith comes to us as a measure or portion. A certain amount. And not everyone receives the same measure or portion as others receive. Some receive more; some receive less. But it is a "measure" or "portion."
And it is faith.
What does Saul mean?
Only this.

The moment we are born into the world we are given a "portion" of faith. The word "faith" is the word "trust." When we are born into this world, we begin our journey of learning about ourselves, our parents, our siblings, other people and the world around us. We eventually go to school and learn many organized subjects such as math, language, history, etc.
We are appointed a time of two births if we are named "in the book of life of the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world" (Rev. 13: 8.)
We are appointed a physical birth, and we are appointed a spiritual birth. And we control neither birth. God controls our births. Both of them. God controls when we are born into the world. And God controls when we are born-again of the Spirit. Those [people] who are "not named in the book of life of the lamb" are born once and in time, at the end of our lives we die. Physically.
And if we are blessed to have two births in our predestined lives then upon our physical deaths we are raised in the newness of life after this world.
And when we are born-again in this life God gives us a measure or portion of faith. Our faith is directly tied to our knowledge of Jesus Christ. After we are born-again, we begin a new study, a study of ourselves, our God, and the things of God as written in Scripture. When we reach and learn this predetermined faith which is tied directly to our knowledge of God then we die. We've reached our predetermined measure of knowledge of everything God has predetermined we learn. And the moment we reach or fill up to that measure, then God calls us home (we die.)

You are correct. But not entirely.
You are correct that we are instructed and commanded to "look at ourselves and our sin and to look at Christ."
But it is more than mere looking. We are instructed and commanded to learn [the] Scripture. This is what Saul told Timothy:

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 3:16–17.

First and foremost, we study Scripture (Word of God) to learn doctrine.
Once we retain and learn the truth of the Word of God (doctrine) then the Scripture is used to reprove us, and correct us, and we are to study the Scripture (doctrine) so that the man of God we are portioned to become may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. This is supposed to be a constant growth of knowledge of Scripture, of doctrine as we grow old and older in our lives. Some people are born-again in their youth or in their middle-age or anytime in between. Some have been recorded to be on death row but had been born-again hours, days, weeks, or years ago. Whatever physical age we are when born-again we start out as babies in Christ. We might know somethings about the bible, or not know much when we are born-again but then begins our journey to learn more. But whatever amount or portion we grow up in when we reach that predetermined portion then we die.
Some have more faith, some have less. But our faith/trust grows because as we learn doctrine/Scripture our knowledge of God and the things of God grows within us as we approach the totality of knowledge of God on this side of life and living but when we learn and accomplish this predetermined measure of faith we die. When I say some have more faith/trust, and some have less faith/trust, is because like a balloon our knowledge grows until we are called home to God.
That's how knowledge in our minds affects us. It expands like a balloon.

1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 1 Corinthians 8:1.

Now, I believe many - including myself at one time - are taught that "puffed up" refers to being prideful or arrogant. But that is incorrect. There is nothing wrong with knowledge. Especially if knowledge of Scripture/doctrine has to do with the Word of God. When we study under the anointing, we learn knowledge and retain knowledge. Being "puffed up" with knowledge does not make us prideful - not if we learn knowledge under the anointing of the Holy Spirit. When we learn knowledge under the anointing, we become humble. THAT is the effect the Holy Spirit has upon us. If God commands us to "get wisdom" and "with all thy getting, get knowledge" would he allow us something that is going to harm us, make us prideful? No.
Notice what Saul also says, "but charity edifieth."
The word "edify" is an architectural word. What Saul is saying is that "love" edifies us, meaning like a building being erected brick by brick love does that to us, it builds us up brick by brick, while getting knowledge "puffs us up" like a balloon, our knowledge puffs us up meaning as love build us brick by brick love blows us up like a balloon. Our knowledge expands our minds like a balloon expands when you blow into it. Our minds that receive knowledge "blows up" like the universe expands as scientists have learned about "red shift."
That's another subject.

Either way, whether we are expanding in our knowledge (puffs up) or being builtbrick by brick, we are growing into our predetermined measure of faith/trust in the Lord that when, we reach our measure, then we die. Mission accomplished. And God never fails to raise up His children in the training and admonition and knowledge of the Lord.
Mission accomplished.
Now, "Go!" and sin no more!

Maybe you will remain in Adam and will die.

I remain in Christ and will not die.

When he was circumcised, we were circumcised with him.
(Colossians 2:11)

When he was baptized, we were baptized with him.
(Romans 6:3)

When he was crucified, we were crucified with him.
(Galatians 2:20)

When he died, we died with him.
(Galatians 2:20)

When he was buried, we were buried with him.
(Colossians 2:12)

When he arose, we arose with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

When he ascended, we ascended with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

When he sat down, we sat down with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

We were called in him. (Romans 8:29-30)
We were made alive with him. (Colossians 2:13)
We were baptized into him. (Romans 6:3)
We were reconciled in him. (Romans 5:10)
We were redeemed by him. (1 Peter 1:18-19)
We were justified in him. (Romans 3:24)
We were made righteous in him. (Romans 5:16-18)
We were sanctified in him. (1 Corinthians 6:11)
We were glorified in him. (Romans 8:30)

Stephen full of Faith and Power (2000), p. 46, 47
https://walking-by-the-spirit.com

 

[jeremiah1five]

Maybe you will remain in Adam and will die.

I remain in Christ and will not die.

Believe me at the end of your life you will die, and your family will buy a plot of land and bury your body.
So, yes, you will die as sure as the grass is green.

When he was circumcised, we were circumcised with him.
(Colossians 2:11)

When he was baptized, we were baptized with him.
(Romans 6:3)

When he was crucified, we were crucified with him.
(Galatians 2:20)

When he died, we died with him.
(Galatians 2:20)

When he was buried, we were buried with him.
(Colossians 2:12)

When he arose, we arose with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

When he ascended, we ascended with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

When he sat down, we sat down with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

We were called in him. (Romans 8:29-30)
We were made alive with him. (Colossians 2:13)
We were baptized into him. (Romans 6:3)
We were reconciled in him. (Romans 5:10)
We were redeemed by him. (1 Peter 1:18-19)
We were justified in him. (Romans 3:24)
We were made righteous in him. (Romans 5:16-18)
We were sanctified in him. (1 Corinthians 6:11)
We were glorified in him. (Romans 8:30)

Stephen full of Faith and Power (2000), p. 46, 47
https://walking-by-the-spirit.com

And because you die and the penalty for sin is death, tell me what sin is it that kills you?
But then again, didn't Jesus pay the penalty for sin - our sin - and die in our stead? If this is true, and it is, what sin is it that Christ did not pay for and by which we die?
We have cemeteries so don't tell me you're not going to die when Scripture says you will.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27.

So, let's not contradict Scripture nor contradict God. The day of your death will come as will mine.
So, if death is the penalty for sin what sin is it that kills us?

 

[Peterlag]

Believe me at the end of your life you will die, and your family will buy a plot of land and bury your body.
So, yes, you will die as sure as the grass is green.

And because you die and the penalty for sin is death, tell me what sin is it that kills you?
But then again, didn't Jesus pay the penalty for sin - our sin - and die in our stead? If this is true, and it is, what sin is it that Christ did not pay for and by which we die?
We have cemeteries so don't tell me you're not going to die when Scripture says you will.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27.

So, let's not contradict Scripture nor contradict God. The day of your death will come as will mine.
So, if death is the penalty for sin what sin is it that kills us?

We are not on the same page. I speak concerning the spirit and you the flesh.

Romans 8:5-9
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[jeremiah1five]

We are not on the same page. I speak concerning the spirit and you the flesh.

Romans 8:5-9
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

If you knew I was speaking about the flesh, why didn't you agree with me? I was still right.

I took your statement as if living in this life. I've heard about some that don't believe they are going to die but live forever.
You appeared by your statement that you were among these idiots.
Try not to be so spiritually minded that you are no earthly good.