DavidTree
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No they are not the same - go study elementary English
Why I don’t believe or accept the trinity.
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DavidTree
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@Runningman
'which'
'which'
pronoun
- Of what sort or kind; what; what a; who.
Similar: whatwho - A interrogative pronoun, used both substantively and adjectively, and in direct and indirect questions, to ask for, or refer to, an individual person or thing among several of a class; See the Note under What, pron., 1.
"which man is it? which woman was it? which is the house? he asked which route he should take; which is best, to live or to die?" - A relative pronoun, used esp. in referring to an antecedent noun or clause, but sometimes with reference to what is specified or implied in a sentence, or to a following noun or clause (generally involving a reference, however, to something which has preceded). It is used in all numbers and genders, and was formerly used of persons.
Runningman
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Don’t capitalize it like “LORD” because that causes confusion and gives the wrong idea. LORD is equivalent to YHWH in the OT and Jesus isn’t YHWH. See Psalm 2:7 and Psalm 110:1 for proof.
Runningman
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I advise you to do the same. So let’s break it down. There is no one in the OT in the beginning with God who was also God named the Word. If you’ve read the OT you would know this. The Word isn’t God with God because that’s numerically two Gods, yet we Christians are monotheistic and so are the Jews to whom John wrote to.
The Word is personification of God’s words because His words are godly. Read the context of John 1. There’s no space for the Word to be an actual person. Like I already showed, Apostle John directly contradicts your claims in 1 John 1:1-2.
DavidTree
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The WORD is YHWH
Since you have been lied to by jw/watchtower, you MUST run to the LORD who alone can SAVE you.
Runningman
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Then you agree Jesus isn’t YHWH?
You’ve been lied to my friend. You’re here flat out denying scripture at this point. 1 John 1:1-2 is still there calling the Word an it. I recommend you deal with this first before begging the question with claims about the Word literally being God.
DavidTree
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This is a very serious question i must ask you: Do you want your sins forgiven and to be able to enter into Eternal Life?
DavidTree
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"and the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us" - Gospel of John chapter 1
The WORD is YHWH
Runningman
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I’m a Christian. I already have that.
Runningman
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You got the wrong idea. You’re trying to describe an incarnation but the word incarnation isn’t in scripture because the Word isn’t a person. The Word became flesh in the sense it changed into something else. Jesus was created my friend. Look at the Greek in John 1:14-18.
DavidTree
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You are a follower of jw/watchtower and their lies you are trusting in have you convinced that you are a christian.
Evidence of the deception you are currently under is exposed by this: Philippians 2:5-11
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Runningman
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Never been to a Kingdom Hall before. I already told you I am not a jw. I’m a Unitarian and my beliefs are directly in the Bible unlike your Trinity that isn’t even described or explained.
John 17
3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
DavidTree
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the scriptural evidence of the Trinity begins in Genesis - beginning in chapter 1
jw, unitarian, rcc, and so on never go to Heaven and never will get in = ALL labels are removed in Christ, and in Him alone!
Only by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and in His words can anyone be SAVED
i was raised rcc and by God's Mercy in His Son the LORD, was i Redeemed by His Blood and Born-Again by the Spirit
DavidTree
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Have you obeyed God?
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Runningman
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Trinitarianism is idolatry because it makes a man into your god. God is an invisible spirit (1 Timothy 1:17) and Jesus is a visible image (Colossians 1:15) who is made from the same material Adam was. We’re all human, not God, but Jesus said his God and his brothers’ God is the Father in John 20:17. Why can’t you see that Jesus has a God just like others do? God having a God isn’t scripture, sorry you got the wrong idea and you’re perpetuating sin. It’s pardonable if you repent.
Runningman
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Notice it says “at the name” of Jesus ever knee bows but not to Jesus every knee bows. Keep reading, who is the only one getting glory and the only one called God in Philippians 2? Yes, the only one is the Father. Any more questions?
DavidTree
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Everything you are saying is straight from jw/watchtower.
Unitarians, based on your posts, believe the same lies as jw/watchtower!!!
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
I, even I, am the Lord,
And besides Me there is no Savior
I have declared and saved,
I have proclaimed,
And there was no foreign god among you;
Therefore you are My witnesses,”
Says the Lord, “that I am God.
Indeed before the day was, I am He;
Who are these passages speaking of?
The problem is that you are challenging basic Christian doctrine. If you want to challenge that, get a good book on the Trinity argument and provide your clever insights to challenge scripture.
Runningman
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My beliefs concerning one God being the Father (also known as YHWH) are directly stated all over the OT and NT. Jeremiah 10:10, Isaiah 45:5, John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6.
The basic elements of your trinity are not described anywhere in scripture.
DavidTree
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Who are these passages speaking of?
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
I, even I, am the Lord,
And besides Me there is no savior
I have declared and saved,
I have proclaimed,
And there was no foreign god among you;
Therefore you are My witnesses,”
Says the Lord, “that I am God.
Indeed before the day was, I am He;
Who are these passages speaking of?
