Why I don’t believe or accept the trinity.

@Studyman ....You dont understand this verse, and you're not going to understand it, because your Religion has no ability to make you righteous or keep you the same.

Ya, Ya, Ya, I'm not going to heaven, I don't understand, bla, bla, bla. I've heard it for over 30 years by men like you and Kenneth Copeland, and "many" who profess to know God, but by their works they deny Him.

Jesus saw you guys coming and He prepared me for it.

1 John 3: 7 Little children, let "no man" deceive you: he that "doeth" righteousness is righteous, even as "he" is righteous.

And again;

1 John 2: 5 But whoso "keepeth his word", in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself "also so to walk", even as he walked.

I always marvel at how you and "Many" who come in Christ's Name having "Transformed yourselves into Apostles of Christ", teach that God's Righteousness is Holy, until a man strives to walk in them, and then God's Righteousness becomes a filthy Rag, and no longer belongs to God.

Thankfully, The Christ "of the bible" saw your popular religious philosophy and traditions coming and prepared me for them by instructing me to Strive to enter the narrow Path HE walked in, that few choose to walk in.

That is the Path Paul "Labored" to walk in. That is where the Prize of the High calling of God that was in Christ Jesus is found.

Your adopted religious philosophies notwithstanding.
 
And that is what I was going to explain to @Studyman since perfect is not sinless perfection but maturity in all spheres of our conduct..

Reader...

If Jesus has the believers sin, then how are they not sinless?

Listen,

= God has to deal with all our SIN, before Holy God can join us to Himself.

This is why...

"God hath made JESUS........to BE SIN......for US"..

A.) US = the CHRISTian

And... "Jesus is the one time Eternal Sacrifice for sin"..

AA.) ETERNAL Sacrifice.. = FOREVER sacrifie.....= never needing you to confess what He Has taken care of as the ETERNAL Sacrifice, on the Cross, 2000 yrs ago.

"but behold....... what that one verse, where John is talking to unbeliever, in 1 John "" ??????

Ok, if you are an unbeliever, then agree that you have sin, as if you say you dont, then the Truth is not in you.
Instead, realize you are a lost sinner and turn to JESUS for Salvation.

And once you have been made Free from sin,..... do not lie, and say you still have it., reader.

Listen, if you have sin, then Jesus has not died for it all yet, and that means you are not saved yet.

So, if you are stuck in Hebrews 6:1.... that has you stuck in Romans 7.. and living in 1 John 1:9, then stop NOW.

Read 1 John 3:9, as that one is for the born again.

"but behold, only the sin that i committed until the day i was saved is covered, not the stiff i did TOMORROW">


Listen, ....... "The verse said...>"ETERNAL SACRIFICE for sin">

Do you own a dictionary? The look up the word ETERNAL, and apply it to "Jesus is the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin", and never again doubt the Lord's Sacrifice for you, and avoid any cult, Mod, forum member, family member, Pope, or anyone who tries to make you believe that You have sin.
You dont not have it, if the ETERNAL SACRIFICE of CHRIST has it.

Understand?

Get your CHRISTianity out of Hebrews 6:1, as Paul told us to do.


Listen,
the born again are "IN CHRIST".. "ONE with GOD" and there is no sin found there, Reader.

The Born again, are IN The KOG, right now, and there is no Moses Law there, and no sin found there, reader.

Jesus has your sin, or you have it.
If you have it, then read 1 John 1:9 and confess it, and repent of your unbelief and give God your faith in Christ and God will take your sin, and Jesus will become the ETERNAL ONE TIME Sacrifice for it all.
 
If it’s possible to know the true God and the one whom sent Jesus, then it’s possible to at least in the heart have an understanding of Yahavah… whom Yeshua had served, and was sent by.

There is a lot of things to consider with this prayer to his Father.

”After Jesus said these things, he looked toward heaven and prayed, “Father, the time has come. Give glory to your Son so that the Son can give glory to you. You gave the Son power over all people so that he could give eternal life to all those you have given to him.

And this is eternal life: that people can know you, the only true God, and that they can know Jesus Christ, the one you sent. I finished the work you gave me to do. I brought you glory on earth. And now, Father, give me glory with you. Give me the glory I had with you before the world was made.

“You gave me some people from the world. I have shown them what you are like. They belonged to you, and you gave them to me. They have obeyed your teaching. Now they know that everything I have came from you. I told them the words you gave me, and they accepted them. They realized the fact that I came from you and believed that you sent me. I pray for them now. I am not praying for the people in the world. But I am praying for these people you gave me, because they are yours. All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And my glory is seen in them.

“Now I am coming to you. I will not stay in the world, but these followers of mine are still in the world. Holy Father, keep them safe by the power of your name—the name you gave me. Then they will be one, just as you and I are one. While I was with them, I kept them safe by the power of your name—the name you gave me. I protected them. And only one of them was lost—the one who was sure to be lost. This was to show the truth of what the Scriptures said would happen.

“I am coming to you now. But I pray these things while I am still in the world. I say all this so that these followers can have the true happiness that I have. I want them to be completely happy.

I have given them your teaching. And the world has hated them, because they don’t belong to the world, just as I don’t belong to the world. “I am not asking you to take them out of the world. But I am asking that you keep them safe from the Evil One. They don’t belong to the world, just as I don’t belong to the world. Make them ready for your service through your truth. Your teaching is truth. I have sent them into the world, just as you sent me into the world. I am making myself completely ready to serve you. I do this for them, so that they also might be fully qualified for your service.

“I pray not only for these followers but also for those who will believe in me because of their teaching. Father, I pray that all who believe in me can be one. You are in me and I am in you. I pray that they can also be one in us. Then the world will believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me. I gave them this glory so that they can be one, just as you and I are one. I will be in them, and you will be in me. So they will be completely one. Then the world will know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me.

“Father, I want these people you have given me to be with me in every place I am. I want them to see my glory—the glory you gave me because you loved me before the world was made. Father, you are the one who always does what is right. The world does not know you, but I know you, and these followers of mine know that you sent me. I showed them what you are like, and I will show them again. Then they will have the same love that you have for me, and I will live in them.”“
‭‭John‬ ‭17‬:‭1‬-‭26‬ ‭ERV‬‬

I hope I didn't derail your thread Matt. I meant only to share with my friend what God's Love had done for me. I will leave this thread, and perhaps the conversation will return to your desired topic.
 
Ya, Ya, Ya, I'm not going to heaven, I don't understand, bla, bla, bla. I've heard it for over 30 years by men like you and Kenneth Copeland, and "many" who profess to know God, but by their works they deny Him.

Listen carefully, @Studyman .

I have no idea if you are going to Hell or Heaven, as ive never read a sentence by you that represents that you understand what it means to be born again, and that not by water.
If you would like to provide that clarity for the Mods and members, then here is your chance. @Studyman .

Also.
You have never met me in life, and you dont know me.
So, if you say that you know my works, then you would only know my works by knowing me in LIFE< in real life.
And you don't.
So, hiding behind your Laptop, as you try to insinuate that im somehow related to K. Copeland or those WOF people, is one more lie you've told.

Do you have more of those for us today?
 
And that is what I was going to explain to @Studyman since perfect is not sinless perfection but maturity in all spheres of our conduct..

I reject outright, your assertion that sinlessness, and "maturity in all spheres of our conduct" are not the same thing. But I don't want to derail Matt's thread. So I'm outa here.
 
I reject outright, your assertion that sinlessness,

Regarding "Christianity"... "sinlessness" means "being made free from sin by the "one time Eternal Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross".

So, where the carnal minds fly off the chain and blows out their clutch plate, is this misunderstanding of what i just said..

See, the carnal mind can't understand that the born again has become as Righteous as God, and remains so, based on the "imputed righteousness of Christ". that is the "Gift of Salvation" as the "Gift of Righteousness".

So, now being made that.... is the person perfect in behavior and thought?

NEVER.

Your behavior as a Christian, is this..."im better then i use to be, but not as good as im going to become".

And that is your behavior...>your lifestyle......you = "present your body as a living Sacrifice to God, as your reasonable SERVICE"

Your "getting better" is your "carrying your Cross".

Understand?

Some of you were drug addicts, gay, drunks, porn addicts, Atheist, wife beaters, child molesters...... .and are you now? Aren't you better? Are you not changed?

Can you see the CHANGE IN YOU< that God has performed over the YEARS?

However, the mind is not born again, and the behavior is not born again.....so, you have to get the revelation that its not your body or your mind that is the "SON/Daughter of God"......its the Born Again Spirit, that is the "new Creation" that is now become the REAL YOU.. the CHRISTian.

The Carnal mind can not understand this or see it.......as the carnal mind defines themselves as "what i do", vs, "who i have become in Christ".
 
Perfectionism Can clearly be found in the Trinity. All three of the godheads work in perfect unison. Jesus gives us an example.

“Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.” This instruction to those listening to the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5—7) and to us when we read it seems to make the bar impossibly high.

But Jesus raised the bar by telling his listeners that getting sinfully angry with someone or calling someone a fool was off limits. So, it’s not acceptable to get off the phone with an incompetent customer service rep and mutter, “Idiot”? It’s not acceptable to respond to the driver who cuts you off by grinding out, “You fool, what are you doing!” as you slam on the brakes?

It's also not acceptable to mock and ridicule each other here. And yet some of those including myself are guilty of doing it.

Jesus didn’t give the command to be perfect as a curse. He gave it as a blessing. God gives us the standard of perfection to drive us to him. This standard helps us see how desperately we need him. We just can’t meet this standard. The bar is too high; it’s an impossible dream.

The great purpose of salvation, the goal of the gospel, and the great yearning of the heart of God is for all men to become like him. . . .
That perfection is also utterly impossible in man’s own power. . . . Man’s own righteousness is possible, but is so imperfect that it is worthless, filthy rags; God’s righteousness is impossible for the very reason that it is perfect. How blessed we are to be transformed Into the image of Christ.
 
“Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.” This instruction to those listening to the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5—7) and to us when we read it seems to make the bar impossibly high.

Its not too high for Jesus, but it is for all those Jews, in Matt 5, it was certainly way too high for them..

The only way we can be "perfect like your Father" is to become a born again Son/Daughter OF The Father, and when that happens, we are become "ONE with God" and that is "perfect", as its to be IN HIM, as "IN Christ".

That's not about deeds.
That's about Status. Thats about being BORN AGAIN.

Thats... "and the SON who was DEAD TO ME< is Returned, and now i give Him THIS RING AND THIS ROBE"..

See that Prodigal SON? @Bronson ??? who went from the Pig pen to the Father's ROBE and RING and HOUSE?

A.) That's all the Born again.
 
Jesus has your sin, or you have it.
If you have it, then read 1 John 1:9 and confess it, and repent of your unbelief and give God your faith in Christ and God will take your sin, and Jesus will become the ETERNAL ONE TIME Sacrifice for it all.
I notice nothing has changed between me and you-

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 1 JOHN 1:5-2:2
5This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us. 2:1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

1:5 "the message we have heard" The pronoun "we" refers to John and the other eyewitness hearers and followers of Jesus during His earthly life. John directly speaks to his readers ("you") in 1 John 2:1, probably referring to the churches of Asia Minor.
The verb "heard" is a perfect active indicative. This reflects the vivid recurrent term relating to the physical senses in 1 John 1:1-4. In a sense this is the Apostle John affirming his personal presence at Jesus' teaching sessions. John is passing on Jesus' revelations, not his own! It is even possible that the Gospels' unique "I Am" statements were John's remembrance of Jesus' private teachings.


"from Him" "From Him" is the only pronoun in the entire section of 1 John 1:5-2:2 which refers to Jesus. Jesus came to reveal the Father (cf. John 1:18). Theologically speaking, Jesus came for three purposes.
1. to reveal the Father (cf. 1 John 1:5)
2. to give believers an example to follow (cf. 1 John 1:7)
3. to die on sinful mankind's behalf (cf. 1 John 1:7; 2:2)

"God is Light" There is no article. This is emphasizing the revelatory and ethical aspects of God's nature (cf. Ps. 27:1; Isa. 60:20; Micah 7:8; 1 Tim. 6:16; James 1:17). The Gnostic false teachers asserted that light referred to knowledge, but John asserts that it refers also to ethical purity. "Light" and "dark" were common terms (an ethical dualism using these terms is also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and early Gnosticism). It related to the dualism between good and evil (i.e., John 1:5; 8:12; 12:46) and possibly the Gnostic dualism of spirit versus matter. This is one of John's simple yet profoundly theological assertions about deity. The others are (1) "God is love" (cf. 1 John 4:8,16) and (2) "God is spirit" (cf. John 4:24). God's family, like Jesus (cf. John 8:12; 9:5), should reflect His character (cf. Matt. 5:14). This changed and changing life of love, forgiveness, and purity is one of the evidences of a true conversion.

"in Him there is no darkness at all" This is a double negative for emphasis. It is an assertion of the unchanging holy character of God (cf. 1 Tim. 6:16; James 1:17; Ps. 102:27; Mal. 3:6).

1:6 "If we say" This is the first of several third class conditional sentences which refer to the claims of false teachers (cf. 1 John 1:8,10; 2:4,6,9). These statements are the only way to identify the assertions of the false teachers. They appear to be early (incipient) Gnostics.
The literary technique of a supposed objector is called diatribe. It was a way of presenting truth in a question/answer format. It can be clearly seen in Malachi (cf. Mal. 1:2,6,7,12; 2:14,17; 3:7,14) and in Romans (cf. Rom. 2:3,17,21-23; 3:1,3,7-8,9,31; 4:1; 6:1; 7:7).

"we have fellowship with Him"
The heretics claimed that fellowship was based on knowledge only. This was an aspect of Greek philosophy from Plato. However, John asserts that Christians must live Christlike lives (cf. 1 John 1:7; Lev. 19:2; 20:7; Matt. 5:48).

"yet walk in the darkness"
"Walk" is a present active subjunctive. This is a biblical metaphor expressing a moral lifestyle (cf. Eph. 4:1,17; 5:2,15). God is light with no darkness. His children should be like Him (cf. Matt. 5:48).

"we lie and do not practice the truth"
These are both present tense verbs. John calls several types of religious people liars (cf. 1 John 1:10; 2:4,22; 4:20; Isa. 29:13). Lifestyle actions truly reveal the heart (cf. Matt. 7). See Special Topic: Truth in John's Writings at John 6:55.
1:7 "but if we walk in the Light" This is another present tense which emphasizes continuing action. "Walk" is a NT metaphor for the Christian life (i.e., Eph. 4:1,17; 5:2,15).

Notice how often "walk" and present tense verbs are related to the Christian life. Truth is something we live, not just something we know! Truth is a key concept in John. See Special Topics at John 6:55 and 17:3.

"as He Himself is in the light"
Believers are to think and live like God (cf. Matt. 5:48). We are to reflect His character to a lost world. Salvation is the restoration of the image of God in mankind (i.e., Gen. 1:26,27), damaged in the fall of Genesis 3.

"we have fellowship with one another"
The term "fellowship" is the Greek term koinônia, which means a joint participation between two persons (see Special Topic at 1 John 1:3). Christianity is based on believers sharing Jesus' life. If we accept His life in forgiveness, we must accept His ministry of love (cf. 1 John 3:16). Knowing God is not abstract truth, but initiates fellowship and godly living. The goal of Christianity is not only heaven when we die, but Christlikeness now. The Gnostic heretics had a tendency toward exclusivism. However, when one is rightly related with God, he will be rightly related to his fellow Christian. Lack of love toward other Christians is a glaring sign of a problem with our relationship with God (cf. 1 John 4:20-21 and also Matt. 5:7; 6:14-15; 18:21-35)

"the blood of Jesus" This refers to the sacrificial death of Christ (cf. Isa. 52:13-53:12; Mark 10:45; 2 Cor. 5:21). It is very similar to 2:2, "the atoning sacrifice (propitiation) for our sins." This is the thrust of John the Baptist's "behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" (cf. John 1:29). The innocent died on behalf of the guilty!
The early Gnostics denied Jesus' true humanity. John's use of "blood" reinforces Jesus' true humanity.
There is a Greek manuscript variable related to the name.
1. Jesus - NASB, NRSV, NJB, REB, NET
2. Christ - MSS א, B, C
3. Jesus Christ - NKJV

This is one example used by Bart D. Ehrman, The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, p. 153, to show how ancient scribes tried to make the text more specific to refute the current heretics. Option #3 was an attempt to mediate the MSS variation.

"cleanses us from all sin"
This is a present active indicative. The term "sin" is singular with no article. This implies every kind of sin. Notice this verse is not focusing on a one-time cleansing (salvation, 1 John 1:7), but an ongoing cleansing (the Christian life, 1 John 1:9). Both are part of the Christian experience (cf. John 13:10).

1:8 "If we say that we have no sin"
This is another third class conditional sentence. Sin is a spiritual reality in a fallen world, even for believers (cf. Romans 7). John's Gospel addresses this issue often (cf. 1 John 9:41; 15:22,24; 19:11). This verse rejects all ancient and modern claims that deny individual moral
responsibility.


"we are deceiving ourselves" This Greek phrase refers to personal, willful rejection of truth, not ignorance.

"the truth is not in us"
The way to acceptance by a Holy God is not denial, but recognition of our sin and acceptance of His provision in Christ (cf. Rom. 3:21-31). "The truth" can refer to the message about Jesus or the person of Jesus (cf. John 14:6). See Special Topics at John 6:55 and 17:3.
1:8,9 "If" These are both third class conditional sentences which means potential action.

1:9 "confess" This is a compound Greek term from "to speak" and "the same." Believers continue to agree with God that they have violated His holiness (cf. Rom. 3:23). It is present tense, which implies ongoing action. Confession implies

1. a specific naming of sins (1 John 1:9)
2. a public admitting of sins (cf. Matt. 10:32; James 5:16)
3. a turning from specific sins (cf. Matt. 3:6; Mark 1:5; Acts 19:18; James 5:16)

1 John uses this term quite often (cf. 1 John 1:9; 4:2,3,15; 2 John 7). Jesus' death is the means of forgiveness, but sinful mankind must respond and continue to respond in faith to be saved (cf. John 1:12; 3:16). See Special Topic: Confession at John 9:22-23.

"our sins" Notice the plural. This refers to specific acts of sin.

"He is faithful" This refers to God the Father (cf. Deut. 7:9; 32:4; Ps. 36:5; 40:10; 89:1,2,5,8; 92:2; 119:90; Isa. 49:7; Rom. 3:3; 1 Cor. 1:9; 10:13; 2 Cor. 1:18; 1 Thess. 5:24; 2 Tim. 2:13). God the Father's unchanging, merciful, faithful character is our surest hope! This phrase accentuates God's faithfulness to His Word (cf. Heb. 10:23;11:11). This may also refer to God's New Covenant promise made in Jer. 31:34, which promised the forgiveness of sins.

"and righteous" This term is unusual in a context related to a holy God freely pardoning unholy people. However, this is theologically accurate because God takes our sins seriously, yet He has provided the means for our forgiveness in the substitutionary death of Christ (cf. Rom. 3:21-31). See Special Topic at 1 John 2:29.

"forgive . . . cleanse" These are both aorist active subjunctives. These two terms are synonymous in this context; they refer both to the salvation of the lost and to the ongoing cleansing necessary for fellowship with God (cf. Isa. 1:18; 38:17; 43:25; 44:22; Ps. 103:3,11-13; Mic. 7:19). The false teachers who denied the gospel, needed salvation. Believers who continue to commit acts of sin need restoration of fellowship. John seems to address the first group implicitly and the second explicitly.
1:10 "If we say" See note at 1 John 1:6.

"we have not sinned"
This is a perfect active indicative which implies that one has never sinned in the past nor in the present. The term "sinned" is singular and refers to sin in general. The Greek term means "to miss the mark." This means that sin is both the commission and the omission of the things revealed in God's Word. The false teachers claimed salvation was related only to knowledge, not to life.

"we make Him a liar" The gospel is based on the sinfulness of all mankind (cf. Rom. 3:9-18,23; 5:1; 11:32). Either God (cf. Rom. 3:4) or those who claim sinlessness, is lying.

"His word is not in us" This involves the dual aspect of the term "logos," both as a message and a person (cf. 1 John 1:1,8; John 14:6). John often refers to this as "truth."
2:1 "My little children" John uses two different diminutive terms for "children" in 1 John.
1. teknion (cf. 1 John 2:1,12,28; 3:7,18; 4:4; 5:21; John13:33)
2. paidion (cf. 1 John 2:14,18)
They are synonymous with no intended theological distinctives. These affectionate terms probably come from John's advanced age at the time of the writing.
Jesus used the term "children" to refer to disciples in John 13:33.

"I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin"
This is an aorist active subjunctive. John is making a definite distinction between present tense, an ongoing habitual lifestyle of sinning (cf. 1 John 3:6,9) and individual acts of sin committed by struggling and tempted Christians. He is trying to bring a balance between the two extremes of
1. taking sin too lightly (cf. Rom. 6:1; 1 John 1:8-10; 3:6-9; 5:16)
2. Christian harshness and brittleness over personal sins

These two extremes probably reflect two different schools of Gnostic teachings. One group felt that salvation was an intellectual matter; it did not matter how one lived because the body was evil. The other group of Gnostics also believed the body was evil and, therefore had to be limited in its desires.

"And if anyone sins"
This is a third class conditional sentence which speaks of potential action. Even Christians sin (cf. Romans 7).

"we have an Advocate with the Father"
This is a present active indicative which refers to Jesus' ongoing intercession as our heavenly Advocate (paraklçtos). This was a legal term for a defense lawyer or "one called alongside to help" (from para, beside and kaleô, to call). It is used in the upper room discourse in the Gospel of John, for the Holy Spirit, our earthly, indwelling advocate (cf. John 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7). However, this is the only use of the term for Jesus (although it is implied in John 14:16; Rom. 8:34; Heb. 4:14-16; 7:25; 9:24). Paul used this same concept for the intercessory work of Christ in Rom. 8:34. In this same passage he also speaks of the intercession of the Holy Spirit in Rom. 8:26. We have an Advocate in heaven (Jesus) and an Advocate within (the Spirit), both of whom the loving Father sent on His behalf.

"Jesus Christ the righteous"
This characterization is used of God the Father in 1 John 1:9. New Testament authors use several literary techniques to assert the deity of Jesus.
1. use titles used for God for Jesus
2. assert actions of God done by Jesus
3. use grammatically parallel phrases referring to both (objects of verbs or prepositions)
It speaks of the sinlessness (holiness, God likeness) of Christ (cf. 1 John 3:5; 2 Cor. 5:21; Heb. 2:18; 4:15; 7:26; 1 Pet. 2:22). He was the Father's means of bringing "righteousness" to a people.
Utley has rightly summed this up-wouldn't you say?
 
I hope I didn't derail your thread Matt. I meant only to share with my friend what God's Love had done for me. I will leave this thread, and perhaps the conversation will return to your desired topic.

Remember when the blind man first seen humans walking around like trees.

There are many facets in life as far as just trees to be found and seen…

The top of the cooking chart, university knowledge, family, pottery, creating art, music, etc… are all places one can try to make something out of for sure, however with all these things comes a lot of doing. Well…

If all those things are involving continued growth however there is no place to rest… you gotta climb back down the tree, and then go and find that one place where you can sit and find rest…

Only one place is rest for us spiritually founded. That is on the stump… which was a beautiful tree (Israel) in where one can sit and enjoy fellowship in worshipping the Father in spirit and in truth, and fellowship with the Son of God…

Humans are similar to trees, when you think of the way the brain looks, and how different Yahweh, created humans, even deaf, blind, mute, and lame,
 
if that's your answer to John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 , then you're deceived. hang in there.

101G.
That's only your opinion. Let me break it down for you.

In the simplest of terms, Christians believe:
There is only one God, and this one God exists as one essence in three Persons.
The three Persons are
God the Father
God the Son (Jesus Christ)
God the Holy Spirit (also called the Holy Ghost)
 
That's only your opinion. Let me break it down for you.

In the simplest of terms, Christians believe:
There is only one God, and this one God exists as one essence in three Persons.
The three Persons are
God the Father
God the Son (Jesus Christ)
God the Holy Spirit (also called the Holy Ghost)
break it down? READ the SCRIPTURES, no need for a break, listen, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." now, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

here is the REAL breakdown, ... is this the same person in both scriptures that "MADE ALL THINGS", Yes, or No


your answer please, just a Yes, or No.

101G.
 
Perfectionism Can clearly be found in the Trinity. All three of the godheads work in perfect unison. Jesus gives us an example.

“Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.” This instruction to those listening to the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5—7) and to us when we read it seems to make the bar impossibly high.

But Jesus raised the bar by telling his listeners that getting sinfully angry with someone or calling someone a fool was off limits. So, it’s not acceptable to get off the phone with an incompetent customer service rep and mutter, “Idiot”? It’s not acceptable to respond to the driver who cuts you off by grinding out, “You fool, what are you doing!” as you slam on the brakes?
Hello,

Reading your post, I’m reminded that just after saying to not call someone a fool, Yeshua goes right into directly using it right away. It’s pretty profound that it even sticks in my memory.

Looking up the word - perfect, can be known as being made whole, maturing to the spiritual means of life, to also give life back to others by and through the fellowship of you and others together with them, in reminding one another as a believer the good things of Yahweh, and his mercies, he has shown.
It's also not acceptable to mock and ridicule each other here. And yet some of those including myself are guilty of doing it.
No doubt. All of us are guilty of something. Some people just like to put pressure on people just to see them actually get hurt. Terrible world, but not one that Yahweh certainly is working in and through by his creation which shows forth Yahweh and His Words creation, the Bride and the Spirit, calling out daily, and other factors that tend to influence a person drive to seek out God being faithful or not being faithless.
Jesus didn’t give the command to be perfect as a curse. He gave it as a blessing. God gives us the standard of perfection to drive us to him. This standard helps us see how desperately we need him. We just can’t meet this standard. The bar is too high; it’s an impossible dream.
It will always be because of the Spirit of Christ, that indwells with us, and the Holy Spirit of Yahavah which indwells the hearts of believers. It’s only by merit of the Lord Yeshua, and his payment for sin; which now allows all to come forth. If, of course, they who choose to.

In honesty I can admit I do not one thing that is good. Anything that is good, which is life giving, all comes from the heavenly, void of earth. It is one thing people can give to others is remaining faithful and sharing and promoting themselves to seek out, and not just believe everyone on earth. Eternal life, which is knowing Yahweh, and his Son, whom he had sent which is the work of God.


Therefore in my experience, my flesh never does good. However with the Holy Spirit of Yahavah and the spirit of Christ within, which helps fix our minds having the mind of Christ. And renews us in spiritual life, which Yahavah breathed into Adam, and became a living soul, first before being killed off from the prior territory, known as the Garden of Eden. I can always be wrong.
The great purpose of salvation, the goal of the gospel, and the great yearning of the heart of God is for all men to become like him. . . .
That perfection is also utterly impossible in man’s own power. . . . Man’s own righteousness is possible, but is so imperfect that it is worthless, filthy rags; God’s righteousness is impossible for the very reason that it is perfect. How blessed we are to be transformed Into the image of Christ.
All by the working of Yahweh, through his spirit,’and the spirit of Christ within you, in subjection to what is taught by the Lord, whom many call upon.

While I can quit, smoking cigarettes, eating unhealthy, and start exercising. Those things do not necessarily change my heart. Though they change the outside appearance, there will be no fooling the God of Israel who will judge all things, good or bad, even secret taking in all things one chooses to have done that being for Yahavah, and the other side, what you may have done just for yourself which most will realize by the time they die; all of their doings.

But none of their doings made them right with God, only faith and decision to make which is to believe in the gospel which is the power of Yahavah unto Salvation, delivered from an old life, old ways of thinking into newness of life by the spirit rising with Yeshua, after first dying with him, and being buried. It’s the Holy Spirit of Yahavah and the Spirit of Christ whom lives within a persons heart which really makes a huge difference…


No matter if they are a harlot, or drug abuser, gambler, etc…
 
I notice nothing has changed between me and you-

Here is what we know. @Johann

God saves us, and keeps us saved based only on the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.

Salvation is not of ourselves..... Its not something we do, or something we keep.

We are saved by God and kept by God.

Philippians 1:6

Its what we receive as the GIFT of Salvation.

Any false theology that tries to redesign "I am the only way to the Father".. John 14:6.... as ... "works" and "water baptism", and "commandment keeping", is a false theology, so... just avoid those, and stay with....>"The GIFT of Salvation", and "The Gift of Righteousness".... and "The Gift of Eternal life".
 
God saves us, and keeps us saved based only on the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.
101G must disagree with this statement. question to you. "was our brother Job, (OT), saved, (meaning declared Righteous)?" just a yes or no will do.

101G.
 
101G must disagree with this statement. question to you. "was our brother Job, (OT), saved, (meaning declared Righteous)?" just a yes or no will do.

101G.

There is a reason that (forgiven) OT Saints went to "paradise" when they died.

That does not happen anymore, because in the NT, the born again are "seated in heavenly places" and exist in the KOG.
 
There is a reason that (forgiven) OT Saints went to "paradise" when they died.

That does not happen anymore, because in the NT, the born again are "seated in heavenly places" and exist in the KOG.
did not asked you that. were those who was Righteous before God saved? yes or no.

101G.
 
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