Who is Jesus?

[brightfame52]

@Clay

Yes your right, Calvinism is false.

What you are saying is false, you have been mislead

 

[Complete]

Being saved from our sins is salvation.


SALVATION Examines the biblical concept of salvation as it develops from the sense of physical rescue in the present life (e.g., deliverance from danger or crisis) to the idea of spiritual rescue often associated with the afterlife (e.g., forgiveness from sins, eternal life). This development in the concept of salvation corresponds with changes in beliefs regarding life after death: As views about the afterlife became more optimistic, the understanding of salvation expanded beyond the present world to include hopes for divine deliverance and even resurrection in the world to come.

In the Bible, salvation usually comes from God, Jesus, or an agent of God. Terms for salvation include:

• יָשַׁע (yasha') and יְשׁוּעָה (yeshu'ah)—Hebrew words most often translated as “save” and “salvation”;
• נָצַל (natsal)—also Hebrew, usually translated as “rescue”; and
• σῴζω (sōzō) and σωτηρία (sōtēria)—Greek words meaning “save” and “salvation.”

'So then faith cometh by hearing,
and hearing by the word of God.'
(Rom 10:17)

'Wherefore lay apart all filthiness
and superfluity of naughtiness,
and receive with meekness the engrafted word,
which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word,
and not hearers only,
deceiving your own selves.'
(Jas 1:21-22)

 

[Julie]

@Clay
What you are saying is false, you have been mislead

Calvinism is the blind leading the blind. Its false doctrines, particularly unconditional election and limited atonement, present a flawed or contradictory view of God and salvation. The phrase comes from a biblical parable in which Jesus refers to the spiritually ignorant Pharisees as blind guides who lead others astray.
Here are two major problems of their false doctrines.

• Insincere gospel call: If God has already chosen who will be saved (unconditional election) and who will be condemned, then the universal gospel call to "whosoever will" is considered insincere. Critics ask why God would command people to believe if they are unable to do so.
• Inconsistent with God's character: The idea that God predetermines people for eternal damnation is portrayed as cruel and sadistic, making God the author of evil. Critics claim this view contradicts the picture of God's love for all people found in the Bible.

 

[brightfame52]

@Julie

Calvinism is the blind leading the blind. Its false doctrines, particularly unconditional election and limited atonement,

Sorry to hear u say that because these are key truths to the Gospel of Grace.

 

[mikesw]

I have a lot of questions about Jesus and the bible answers them all. Who do you say he is?

Who is the seed (offspring) of the woman who crushes the head of Satan?

Who is the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that will eventually bless all nations?

Who is the “prophet like Moses” of whom God says, “You must listen to him”?

Who is the one crucified?

Who is the child that is God and will have an everlasting kingdom?

Who was crushed and pierced for our transgressions? Upon whom did the Lord lay the iniquity of all mankind?

Who is the righteous Branch, the wise King, who will be called “the Lord our righteousness”?
Who is the “Anointed One” to be “cut off” after 483 years?

Who is the one who is eternal, who will be the ruler over Israel, who is born in Bethlehem Ephrathah?

Who is Jehovah, “the one they have pierced,” for whom Jerusalem and all the nation of Israel will weep and mourn?

No one can deny that the Bible itself claims to be the unique revelation of God: “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work”2 Timothy 3:16-17

I will add one point I think is missed.

Jesus came in the flesh as a prophet to the Jews to warn them of judgment. We see this in Luke 20:9-18 in the parable of the vineyard owner. This sounds similar to John 11:45-54 where the priests and Pharisees sought to kill Jesus to protect their own power -- or in the terms of the Luke 20 parable they would be seeking the inheritance.

 

[Burdock]

@Julie



Sorry to hear u say that because these are key truths to the Gospel of Grace.

Unconditional election is unbiblical as is limited atonement. Below are three reasons that unconditional election is unbiblical.

Say to them, As I live, says the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Ezekiel33:11

Such [former] ages of ignorance God, it is true, ignored and allowed to pass unnoticed; but now He charges all people everywhere to repent (to change their minds for the better and heartily to amend their ways, with abhorrence of their past sins),
Acts17:30

In Matthew 11:28 Jesus says, “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” Are we to believe that Jesus is offering us something He has already decided not to give us?

Then there’s my favorite, 2 Peter 3:9, which says God is “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” This is the revealed will of God—that God wants all men everywhere to repent and be saved. I do not need to understand God’s secret will; I need to understand the conditions of His revealed will.

 

[brightfame52]

@Burdock

Unconditional election is unbiblical as is limited atonement.

Sorry they are essential Gospel Truths of Grace. Salvation by Grace and election of Grace which is unconditional are one and the same Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

See Grace is only for a remnant !

 

[Burdock]

@Burdock



Sorry they are essential Gospel Truths of Grace. Salvation by Grace and election of Grace which is unconditional are one and the same Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

See Grace is only for a remnant !

Do you know who the "Remnant" are?

Romans 11:5-6 emphasizes that a remnant of Israel has been chosen by grace, highlighting the concept that salvation is a gift from God rather than something earned through works. Verse 6 clarifies that if salvation is by grace, it cannot be based on human efforts; otherwise, grace would no longer be grace. This underscores the central message of the gospel that faith, not works, is the means of salvation.

A remnant is a left-over amount from a larger portion or piece, whether it is food, material from which a garment is fashioned, or even a group of people. Although remnants could be looked upon as worthless scraps, and many times are, God assigned high value to those of His people whom He had set aside for holy purposes, those He labels as “remnants” in several places in the Bible. To begin, in Isaiah 10 the story is told of the Lord’s judgment upon the Assyrians. In verse 12 God says, “I will punish the king of Assyria for the willful pride of his heart and the haughty look in his eyes.” He continues in verses 17–18: “The Light of Israel will become a fire, their Holy One a flame; in a single day it will burn and consume his thorns and his briars. The splendor of his forests and fertile fields I will completely destroy, as when a sick man wastes away.”

God then relates how His people will turn back to Him as a result of this tremendous display of His strength—His utter destruction of most of Assyria: “In that day the remnant of Israel, the survivors of the house of Jacob, will no longer rely on him who struck them down but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel. A remnant will return, a remnant of Jacob will return to the Mighty God” (Isaiah 10:20, 21). He goes on to assure the remaining Israelites that they need not fear the Assyrians, for soon He will destroy them.

There are other remnants—those left over from a larger group—in the Bible, even though the word remnant isn’t used to describe them. Noah and his family were the remnant saved out of the millions on the earth before the flood (Genesis 6). Only Lot and his two daughters survived the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, a very small remnant, indeed (Genesis 19). When Elijah despaired that he was the only one left in Israel who had not bowed down to idols, God assured him that He had reserved a remnant of 7,000 “whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him” (1 Kings 19).

We who believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior can, with great peace, rest in the fact that we belong to the “remnant.”

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[civic]

@Burdock



Sorry they are essential Gospel Truths of Grace. Salvation by Grace and election of Grace which is unconditional are one and the same Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

See Grace is only for a remnant !

There is no scripture associating UE or LA with the good news, the gospel.

You made that up.

 

[brightfame52]

Do you know who the "Remnant" are?

Romans 11:5-6 emphasizes that a remnant of Israel has been chosen by grace, highlighting the concept that salvation is a gift from God rather than something earned through works. Verse 6 clarifies that if salvation is by grace, it cannot be based on human efforts; otherwise, grace would no longer be grace. This underscores the central message of the gospel that faith, not works, is the means of salvation.

A remnant is a left-over amount from a larger portion or piece, whether it is food, material from which a garment is fashioned, or even a group of people. Although remnants could be looked upon as worthless scraps, and many times are, God assigned high value to those of His people whom He had set aside for holy purposes, those He labels as “remnants” in several places in the Bible. To begin, in Isaiah 10 the story is told of the Lord’s judgment upon the Assyrians. In verse 12 God says, “I will punish the king of Assyria for the willful pride of his heart and the haughty look in his eyes.” He continues in verses 17–18: “The Light of Israel will become a fire, their Holy One a flame; in a single day it will burn and consume his thorns and his briars. The splendor of his forests and fertile fields I will completely destroy, as when a sick man wastes away.”

God then relates how His people will turn back to Him as a result of this tremendous display of His strength—His utter destruction of most of Assyria: “In that day the remnant of Israel, the survivors of the house of Jacob, will no longer rely on him who struck them down but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel. A remnant will return, a remnant of Jacob will return to the Mighty God” (Isaiah 10:20, 21). He goes on to assure the remaining Israelites that they need not fear the Assyrians, for soon He will destroy them.

There are other remnants—those left over from a larger group—in the Bible, even though the word remnant isn’t used to describe them. Noah and his family were the remnant saved out of the millions on the earth before the flood (Genesis 6). Only Lot and his two daughters survived the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, a very small remnant, indeed (Genesis 19). When Elijah despaired that he was the only one left in Israel who had not bowed down to idols, God assured him that He had reserved a remnant of 7,000 “whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him” (1 Kings 19).

We who believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior can, with great peace, rest in the fact that we belong to the “remnant.”

Bible Questions Answered

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The remnant is the body of Christ the church! And as I stated salvation by grace is none other than salvation by being of the election of Grace a remnant.

 

[brightfame52]

There is no scripture associating UE or LA with the good news, the gospel.

You made that up.

There's no scripture unto you it's quite clear to me and others, see my thread on the gospel and Calvinism

 

[civic]

There's no scripture unto you it's quite clear to me and others, see my thread on the gospel and Calvinism

Calvinism / tulip is not the gospel as I’ve already dismantled your argument

 

[brightfame52]

Calvinism / tulip is not the gospel as I’ve already dismantled your argument

You just argued against the truth!

 

[Wholeheart]

You just argued against the truth!

That's what Calvinists do all the time. They trample underfoot, despise, spurn and deride God’s Gospel which is forever entrenched in His words, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

 

[civic]

You just argued against the truth!

Projecting

 

[brightfame52]

That's what Calvinists do all the time. They trample underfoot, despise, spurn and deride God’s Gospel which is forever entrenched in His words, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

The truths of tulip are the gospel

 

[synergy]

Since when did a imperative become an offer ? Thats not biblical, an imperative is an command

They are exhortations, direct offers of salvation extended to the hearer. What do you want the Bible to do, tip toe through the tulips with its exhortations?

 

[brightfame52]

They are exhortations, direct offers of salvation extended to the hearer. What do you want the Bible to do, tip toe through the tulips with its exhortations?

Imperatives are not offers they are
commands

 

[TomL]

No such thing as a offer of salvation.

These are clear offers

Isaiah 45:22 (LEB) — 22 Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none besides me.

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

 

[TomL]

You seeing things not there in those scriptures, no offer is being made. No such thing

You are in denial of scripture.

Acts 16:30–31 (LEB) — 30 And he brought them outside and said, “Sirs, what must I do so that I can be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16 (LEB) — 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.