Peterlag
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See it does not say that. You add that. It says the Lord Jesus Christ. It does not say the Lord Jesus the Christ, who is God in flesh.
Who is Jesus?
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101G
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LOL, CONTEXT, CONTEXT, Philippians 2:4 "Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others." Philippians 2:5 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" CONTEX, CONTEX,
now, if this is not speaking of the Lord Jesus the Christ, as 101G asked before, give book chapter, and verse as to who this is speaking of...... else it stands.
101G.
Peterlag is just denying everything that scripture says but he does not tell us what his novel idea is. He also words this response in a modalist fashion which can sound like he is denying that God stopped being in "heaven" and was solely existing as a man until he returned to be omniscient again. But none of us hold that modalist view. Or does someone in this thread hold to that?
101G
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dwight92070
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The Chosen movies were entertaining but unfortunately, really twisted the truth. Can you believe that the disciples actually built a stage WITH A CURTAIN, in preparation for Jesus' Sermon on the Mount??? Then they went around the neighborhood handing out flyers to let people know that Jesus was about to give this amazing speech!!! Also, Jesus had to practice His speech, so He bounced different wording off His disciples asking, "Does this sound better - or this? !!!!!
That whole scene was OVER THE TOP ignorant/blasphemous/sheet idiocy!
Jesus NEVER spoke from a stage, COMING OUT FROM BEHIND A CURTAIN, unless it may have been in the temple but even that is not likely. Jesus NEVER had to practice His sermons, much less had to get His disciple's input on them!! He was God in the flesh!! He was the Living Word!! He NEVER needed His disciples to hand out flyers to advertise His teaching - His miracles and His authoritative words were all the advertisement He needed. The people literally flocked to Him!
That whole scene was OVER THE TOP ignorant/blasphemous/sheet idiocy!
Jesus NEVER spoke from a stage, COMING OUT FROM BEHIND A CURTAIN, unless it may have been in the temple but even that is not likely. Jesus NEVER had to practice His sermons, much less had to get His disciple's input on them!! He was God in the flesh!! He was the Living Word!! He NEVER needed His disciples to hand out flyers to advertise His teaching - His miracles and His authoritative words were all the advertisement He needed. The people literally flocked to Him!
Complete
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Subject Heading:- Who is Jesus?
'For I know that my redeemer liveth,
and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
And though after my skin worms destroy this body,
yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Whom I shall see for myself,
and mine eyes shall behold,
and not another;
though my reins be consumed within me.'
(Job 19:25-27)
Hello @Peterlag,
'The Word became flesh and dwelt among us' - God became a man in order to become Kinsman-Redeemer to Israel. That is what the word Redeemer refers to, when used in Scripture, it refers to the role of the Kinsman-Redeemer, Who only had the right to redeem. See the book of Ruth and other Scriptures. Only by taking upon Himself the form of a man, coming to the earth, taking the penalty for our sins upon Himself and dying in our place, could He redeem both Israel, and we who by His grace believe on Him, and His all-sufficient sacrifice for sin.
'Remember these, O Jacob and Israel;
for thou art My servant:
I have formed thee;
thou art My servant: O Israel,
thou shalt not be forgotten of Me.
I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions,
and, as a cloud, thy sins:
return unto me;
for I have redeemed thee.'
(Isa 44:21-22)
Paul said:-
'Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh:
yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh,
yet now henceforth know we Him no more.
Therefore if any man be in Christ,
he is a new creature:
old things are passed away;
behold, all things are become new.
And all things are of God,
Who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ,
and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ,
reconciling the world unto Himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.'
(2 Cor. 5:16-19)
Praise God! For His goodness and His grace.
Please, @Peterlag, stop denying Him, and give Him the glory due to Him.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Complete
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'That Which was from the beginning,
Which we have heard,
Which we have seen with our eyes,
Which we have looked upon,
and our hands have handled,
of The Word of life;
that ye also may have fellowship with us:
and truly our fellowship is with the Father,
and with His Son Jesus Christ.
And these things write we unto you,
that your joy may be full.'
(1Jn 1:1-4)
Praise His Holy Name!
Which we have heard,
Which we have seen with our eyes,
Which we have looked upon,
and our hands have handled,
of The Word of life;
( For the life was manifested,
and we have seen it,
and bear witness,
and shew unto you
that eternal life,
which was with the Father,
and was manifested unto us )
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us:
and truly our fellowship is with the Father,
and with His Son Jesus Christ.
And these things write we unto you,
that your joy may be full.'
(1Jn 1:1-4)
Praise His Holy Name!
Peterlag
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Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” Some theologians teach that only God could pay for the sins of mankind, but the Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).
Complete
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Hello @Peterlag,
If that is the case, then all the more reason why God took upon Himself the form of a man.
'Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God,
thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made Himself of no reputation,
and took upon Him the form of a servant,
and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man,
He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death,
even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him,
and given Him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.'
(Php 2:5-11)
Praise His Holy Name!
In Christ Jesus
Now risen and glorified
and sat down at God's right hand.
Chris
Peterlag
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A man (Adam) messed it up. A man like Adam (Jesus) fixed it. A God-man in a man's form could not have done it.
Peterlag said: "A man (Adam) messed it up. A man like Adam (Jesus) fixed it. A God-man in a man's form could not have done it."
My answer: Right. God could not do what is needed because God would not have the power or knowledge to do it. NOT!!!
Complete
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'Wherefore when He cometh into the world,
He saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,
but a body hast Thou prepared Me:'
(Heb 10:5)
Hello @Peterlag,
My mind goes to, (Mat 22:29)
'Jesus answered and said unto them,
Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures,
nor the power of God.'
* If this is applicable then study the Scriptures and pray, if not please forgive me.
God is Spirit (not 'a' spirit, John 4:24). God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself (2 Cor. 5:19). What more do you want than that? Look beyond the flesh of the Lord Jesus Christ, and see God within, and praise His Holy Name. The Lord said on one occasion, in relation to His own flesh, that the flesh 'profiteth' nothing (John 6:63) . The words that He spoke were spirit and they were truth.
A body had been prepared, through Mary, for the fulfilment of God's purposes, and by means of that body, in the form of His Beloved Son, God finished the work of salvation, and defeated the works of the Devil.
* Honour the Son, for thereby you will honour the Father. One God!
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Peterlag
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The Scriptures say it's God in Christ in me and yet nobody thinks I'm God.
dwight92070
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The Scriptures say it's God in Christ in me and yet nobody thinks I'm God.
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Of course nobody thinks that. Why would we? Sure, God in Christ IS in us, but we will never be God. Again your objections are easily refuted, because there's no Biblical substance in them.
Was your physical birth a miracle? Did the Holy Spirit come upon your mother and did the power of the Most High overshadow her in order to conceive you in her womb? No, it was the sperm of your father that brought about your conception. Have you fulfilled a multitude of prophecies in your lifetime, including living a sinless life? Will you die for the sins of all mankind?
So to say that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself is INFINITELY different than the fact that God is in US.
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Of course nobody thinks that. Why would we? Sure, God in Christ IS in us, but we will never be God. Again your objections are easily refuted, because there's no Biblical substance in them.
Was your physical birth a miracle? Did the Holy Spirit come upon your mother and did the power of the Most High overshadow her in order to conceive you in her womb? No, it was the sperm of your father that brought about your conception. Have you fulfilled a multitude of prophecies in your lifetime, including living a sinless life? Will you die for the sins of all mankind?
So to say that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself is INFINITELY different than the fact that God is in US.
Peterlag
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Of course nobody thinks that. Why would we? Sure, God in Christ IS in us, but we will never be God. Again your objections are easily refuted, because there's no Biblical substance in them.
Was your physical birth a miracle? Did the Holy Spirit come upon your mother and did the power of the Most High overshadow her in order to conceive you in her womb? No, it was the sperm of your father that brought about your conception. Have you fulfilled a multitude of prophecies in your lifetime, including living a sinless life? Will you die for the sins of all mankind?
So to say that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself is INFINITELY different than the fact that God is in US.
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Your logic means nothing to me. I look for Scripture that teaches Jesus is God and there's none. Even with this Thomas holds no water. What Hebrew word did Thomas use? It was not YHWH, for "my YHWH" never appears in all of scripture. The translators who translated the Gospels from Hebrew to Greek could not have been Jews for they made not difference in translating both YHWH and Elohim into "theos". Thomas obviously said "my Elohim" which means "my mighty one".
synergy
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What word did Apostle John use to record Thomas' remarks? He used "Θεός" (Theos). You've now been exposed as someone who thinks he knows better than what Apostles wrote in the NT. That's the definition of a heretic. I wouldn't be surprised at all if you keep running away from the truth as you always do.
Run Peterlag Run!
Complete
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Subject Heading:- 'Who is Jesus?'
'When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi,
He asked His disciples, saying,
"Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?"
And they said, "Some say that Thou art John the Baptist: some,
Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets."
He saith unto them, "But whom say ye that I am?"
And Simon Peter answered and said,
"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."
And Jesus answered and said unto him,
"Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona:
for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee,
but My Father Which is in heaven.
And I say also unto thee,
That thou art Peter,
and upon this rock I will build my church;
and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
(Mat 16:13-18)
Praise God!
'When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi,
He asked His disciples, saying,
"Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?"
And they said, "Some say that Thou art John the Baptist: some,
Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets."
He saith unto them, "But whom say ye that I am?"
And Simon Peter answered and said,
"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."
And Jesus answered and said unto him,
"Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona:
for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee,
but My Father Which is in heaven.
And I say also unto thee,
That thou art Peter,
and upon this rock I will build my church;
and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
(Mat 16:13-18)
Praise God!
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'For many deceivers are entered into the world,
who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
receive him not into your house,
neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed
is partaker of his evil deeds.'
(2 John 1:4-11)
who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Look to yourselves,
that we lose not those things which we have wrought,
but that we receive a full reward.
.. Whosoever transgresseth,
.... and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
...... hath not God.
........ He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,
.......... he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house,
neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed
is partaker of his evil deeds.'
(2 John 1:4-11)
dwight92070
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Your logic means nothing to me. I look for Scripture that teaches Jesus is God and there's none. Even with this Thomas holds no water. What Hebrew word did Thomas use? It was not YHWH, for "my YHWH" never appears in all of scripture. The translators who translated the Gospels from Hebrew to Greek could not have been Jews for they made not difference in translating both YHWH and Elohim into "theos". Thomas obviously said "my Elohim" which means "my mighty one".
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John 1:1,14 is as clear as it gets. Thomas' "My Lord and my God." is also clear. Paul's "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, who gave Himself for us to redeem us ..." Titus 2:13 is crystal clear. Hebrews 1 is clear. The fact that Jesus pre-existed and that He even encourages people to worship Him - "if these remain silent, even the rocks would cry out." are plain as day.
