When You See JERUSALEM Surrounded By Armies, Luke 21

[Selah]

Sooooo….what are we talking about now? I’m way behind here. What subject are we discussing?

 

[DavidTree]

That seems a little more than a simple question.

The latter issue can reflect the era before binding of Satan or even the effects after binding -- which would imply less "mobility" of Satan to act -- if that binding is more like a dog chain. I suggest we are at the end of the 1000s years where he has been released. That has been my primary interest in Revelation 20 and what that means for us.

The Holy Scripture does not speak of nor allow any 'wiggle room' on these two passages of TRUTH.

Please look again dear Brother in Christ for the answer is present here.

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.

 

[DavidTree]

Sooooo….what are we talking about now? I’m way behind here. What subject are we discussing?

We are discussing thoughts that may or may not agree with the conglomerate of Scripture pertaining to a specific revelation whereby those specifics must be searched out or quantified to see if that which we are believing is congruent with all scripture pertaining to the specific thought(s) of the parable of the mustard seed and that which @mikesw assesses as such.

Just one example: Posts 186 and 202

 

[Selah]

I don’t see any congruent connection in those two scriptures. ?

 

[mikesw]

Eternal life is life never-ending. It’s for all eternity. Those who were saved and then stayed/stay faithful to God all their earthly lives will go through the First Resurrection.

I think eternal life happens while you are alive if you follow Christ. Jesus says the followers have passed from death into life (John 5:24). The change happens and has continuous life.

 

[mikesw]

Awesome

Are you dissuaded to the answer to (c) = 'grows up' has already been given to us by the Lord in the Gospel and the Apostles letters and in Revelation.

I'm not sure what you are saying here.

 

[mikesw]

The Holy Scripture does not speak of nor allow any 'wiggle room' on these two passages of TRUTH.

Please look again dear Brother in Christ for the answer is present here.

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.

I'm not sure what the interrelationship is here. Is Satan not bound or is he? Is there a time when he is bound? Is there a time when we should not be vigilant anyhow?

 

[DavidTree]

I don’t see any congruent connection in those two scriptures. ?

There is both congruency and timing by which they are related.

Congruent = both scriptures speak of the "Devil"

Congruent = both scriptures speak of the Devils ability to deceive the world and even christians.

Connection = Timing = When does the Devil's roaming the earth with his deception become muted
1 Peter 5:8 or Revelation 20:1-3

 

[DavidTree]

I'm not sure what the interrelationship is here. Is Satan not bound or is he? Is there a time when he is bound? Is there a time when we should not be vigilant anyhow?

Thank You @mikesw
Post 208

 

[Selah]

I think eternal life happens while you are alive if you follow Christ. Jesus says the followers have passed from death into life (John 5:24). The change happens and has continuous life.

Yes, I truly understand what you’re saying. But the First Resurrection is pertaining to the actual immortality of the soul.
1 Corinthians 15:51-55 (NKJV) 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” 55 “O Death, where [is] your sting? O Hades, where [is] your victory?”

 

[DavidTree]

Yes, I truly understand what you’re saying. But the First Resurrection is pertaining to the actual immortality of the soul.
1 Corinthians 15:51-55 (NKJV) 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” 55 “O Death, where [is] your sting? O Hades, where [is] your victory?”

Is this scripture speaking of the mortal soul or the mortal body to which the soul is encapsulated in?

What specific element is 1 Corinthians chapter 15 specific to, but not limited to?

 

[Selah]

There is both congruency and timing by which they are related.

Congruent = both scriptures speak of the "Devil"

Congruent = both scriptures speak of the Devils ability to deceive the world and even christians.

Connection = Timing = When does the Devil's roaming the earth with his deception become muted
1 Peter 5:8 or Revelation 20:1-3

At the 7th trump when Jesus returns, Satan is “muted.”

 

[Selah]

Is this scripture speaking of the mortal soul or the mortal body to which the soul is encapsulated in?

What specific element is 1 Corinthians chapter 15 specific to, but not limited to?

We have two bodies—a flesh body and a spiritual body.

 

[DavidTree]

At the 7th trump when Jesus returns, Satan is “muted.”

Then you SEE that the 7th Trump is congruent with His 2nd Coming and with Revelation 20:1-3

Whereas, we are currently living in 1 Peter 5:8

 

[DavidTree]

We have two bodies—a flesh body and a spiritual body.

And we know that the flesh body is mortal, dies and returns to dust /Grave.

Jesus died and went to the Grave and He Rose on the 3rd Day which is the foundation of 1 Corinthians chapter 15

But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.

16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men.

 

[Selah]

And we know that the flesh body is mortal, dies and returns to dust /Grave.

Jesus died and went to the Grave and He Rose on the 3rd Day which is the foundation of 1 Corinthians chapter 15

But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.

16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men.

When our flesh body dies we are changed into our spiritual body and instantly we go to be with the Lord.
2 Corinthians 5:8 (NKJV) We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

 

[DavidTree]

I don’t see any congruent connection in those two scriptures. ?

i am assuming you were speaking of 1 Peter 5:8 and Rev 20:1-3

or were you also including the parable of the mustard see with the two above???

 

[Selah]

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i am assuming you were speaking of 1 Peter 5:8 and Rev 20:1-3

or were you also including the parable of the mustard see with the two above???

I was speaking of 1 Peter 5:8 and Rev 20:1-3. Thanks for your patience.

 

[DavidTree]

When our flesh body dies we are changed into our spiritual body and instantly we go to be with the Lord.
2 Corinthians 5:8 (NKJV) We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

Does our spirit change at that moment according to 1Cor ch15 ?

Is there a direct reference to our spirits changing after our flesh bodies die
or
are our spirits made in the image of God and return to God as we see in Revelation

 

[DavidTree]

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I was speaking of 1 Peter 5:8 and Rev 20:1-3. Thanks for your patience.

Forgive me if i get hasty as my mind sometimes jumps ahead and my typing will not keep up