DavidTree
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Substantial enough to know and spot error vs Truth
When You See JERUSALEM Surrounded By Armies, Luke 21
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What is your degree of study of resurrection in the scriptures in order to detect truth and error?
I assume also that you are saying you know what Jesus meant by "soon." Please explain it.
And is your view beyond reach of logical questioning?
DavidTree
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from the School of Ruach HaKodesh where YAHshua is the School Master and His Father owns it.
At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
I'm not sure what you mean. Is there a secret revelation you have that no other Christian has? I would rather trust people who have studied scripture and can argue for their view.
DavidTree
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i have no 'secret' revelation that is not contained in the Holy Scriptures.
Nor do i profess to know all things contained in the scriptures.
What i do know has been revealed to me from God just as the Lord Jesus said.
15“If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
Amen.
Then you will not wish to contradict Jesus in what was seen in John 5;25-29, unless you have better revelation. Please elaborate.
DavidTree
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Amen, for i do not wish to ever contradict the words of God and therefore open to adjusting my thinking to always line UP with the Truth.
I had come to the preference to teach people not just the common points shared on Christianity but rather to share what scripture reveals. This has not been a goal to question everything by default but to recognize issues of beliefs when they seem to counter scripture -- and arise in my study.
DavidTree
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Jesus meant by "soon" and "even now" is confirmed by 1 Peter 1:23 and Ephesians 2:1-6
No one will have to accept what I show of the accuracy of that. But I hope to share how this was accurate and why it does not hurt Christian hope.
DavidTree
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i am ready
you would have to read what I have on my computer. It is not ready for prime time.
DavidTree
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ok
Selah
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Hello Mike … Do you understand that the First Resurrection when Jesus returns is talking about a resurrection of the soul to eternal life?
Revelation 20:4-6 (NKJV) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received [his] mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
@mikesw
Soon, and at hand is soon and at hand as far as God's perspective and also our, God knowing our understanding of time. Let me show you what I'm saying.
Revelation is a great book to understand what at hand and soon means, even though both can have other meanings but from a prophetic understanding it is going to have the sense in which we shall use the words as found in Revelation.
The first use of at hand is found in Revelation 1:3; the next time is found in Revelation 22, the very end of the book and the world as we know it.
So, all that is found in Revelation from John's day till the creation of the New Heaven and the New Earth all is AT HAND, or, in other words shortly will come to pass. Of course this is speaking of prophetic time line. God would have never said at hand if it was thousands and thousands years into the future. But, truly what is two thousands years? Nothing but time that truly is at hand concerning the prophetic events that must take place....calling of the Gentiles, the main prophetic event during this dispensation age, and all other events that will take place during this period of time.
The events in the Revelation of Jesus Christ do not happen in days, months but years and so far around thousand have taken place, which truly is no time whatsoever in the big picture of things. From me to my 3X great grandparents have been a tenth of that time, which is nothing!
Do not allow the preterist to allure you into believing the 70 A.D. theory by using such weak reasoning.
Mike, I'll answer this for you since I have dealt with is question many times in the past by providing answers to sincere believers, some not so sincere.
Revelation 1:3
“Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.”Revelation 22:10
“And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.”Soon, and at hand is soon and at hand as far as God's perspective and also our, God knowing our understanding of time. Let me show you what I'm saying.
Revelation is a great book to understand what at hand and soon means, even though both can have other meanings but from a prophetic understanding it is going to have the sense in which we shall use the words as found in Revelation.
The first use of at hand is found in Revelation 1:3; the next time is found in Revelation 22, the very end of the book and the world as we know it.
So, all that is found in Revelation from John's day till the creation of the New Heaven and the New Earth all is AT HAND, or, in other words shortly will come to pass. Of course this is speaking of prophetic time line. God would have never said at hand if it was thousands and thousands years into the future. But, truly what is two thousands years? Nothing but time that truly is at hand concerning the prophetic events that must take place....calling of the Gentiles, the main prophetic event during this dispensation age, and all other events that will take place during this period of time.
The events in the Revelation of Jesus Christ do not happen in days, months but years and so far around thousand have taken place, which truly is no time whatsoever in the big picture of things. From me to my 3X great grandparents have been a tenth of that time, which is nothing!
Do not allow the preterist to allure you into believing the 70 A.D. theory by using such weak reasoning.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Yet many did not hear the law or the prophets .
To be made free is IN CHRIST ALONE .
For had ye beleived MOSES you would have BELIEVED ME , for HE wrote of me .
Many have stumbleded at that stumbling stone .
The very stone which the builders rejected HAS INDEED become the head of the corner .
And the nation of CHRIST JESUS , the Heavenly Kingdom , the Mount ZION of GOD
the heavenly Jersualem wherein GOD and the lamb are the temple .
All who are under the works of the law are cursed for it is very clear
The just shall live by Faith . And HE whose TRUST BE IN GOD would have surely been in HIS WORD
HIS CHRIST .
Abraham beleived GOD. Yet many who are of the flesh of abraham and many gentiles
SURE SEEM to NOT BELIEVE GOD but rather a real huge inclusive interfaith tale of the piper who piped death .
Many there be which put their hope back into the wrong temple and seek the earthen
and its peace and have rejected The heavenly and its gospel of PEACE which reconciles man to God .
Much wailing will be heard on the day of the LORD . The sheep hear and heed ONE VOICE
The KING JESUS . trench down and armour up cause these be the last days indeed .
DavidTree
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@Selah @Red Baker
i am very interested to hear from @mikesw of that which he sees in the Holy Scriptures.
Good Morning @mikesw - i know you said that there is much background for us to read and that you want to make sure that your audience has sufficient understanding and knowledge of scripture = which is great and i AGREE
If you do not want everyone to see, maybe @civic and @Administrator know how to set up a private chat that you can invite the three of us to and/or whoever you wish.
Shalom
i am very interested to hear from @mikesw of that which he sees in the Holy Scriptures.
Good Morning @mikesw - i know you said that there is much background for us to read and that you want to make sure that your audience has sufficient understanding and knowledge of scripture = which is great and i AGREE
If you do not want everyone to see, maybe @civic and @Administrator know how to set up a private chat that you can invite the three of us to and/or whoever you wish.
Shalom
If we can take "eternal life" in the context of one verse, then eternal life is knowing God. (Joh 17:3). We appear to get that once we have truly followed Jesus. Resurrection in a main sense is an addition to that.
DavidTree
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Our current lifespan on this earth is but a spec in time therefore for each individual and each generation:
"the time is at hand" is congruent with "you do not know at what hour I shall come upon you"
This is where many get confused - not separating that which directly applies to our own length of days that God has appointed to us verses His Prophetic Timeline whereby JESUS Says: "These things must take place, but the end is not yet...."
One problem from an Apologetics sense is the denial of scripture based on the supposed failure to see the fulfillment of those events that were expected to happen soon. Is it worthwhile to see how that could be true without denying that Revelation 20 also gives an insight into stuff that happens after the 1000s years period (counter to the full preterist efforts)? I have been looking into eschatology for over 18 years with some more directed effort to understand eschatological terms as an emphasis for looking at the Matt 13 parables of the mysteries of the kingdom of God. The odd issue there is that people never identify the mysteries within the parables.
Anyhow, I had anticipated that Revelation 1 to 19 could be explained in a preterist/fulfilled sense. This was best explained by Bruce Gore in his YT series. I have watched many of the ones with the yellow background at this link:
#Gore's Revelation Videos
I have not delved into Revelation 1 to 19 enough to quote it from memory but I do remember certain trends in it. And I have a few details to add that were not covered by anyone I remember regarding the text. It is even within the last year that I have gleaned a few more details of the overview of Revelation. The way this works is that my mind resolves ideas within patterns. If some interpretations do not fit (my old ones or from other people), these sometimes reveal a counter idea that fits better. Or sometimes ideas come years later.
