What's Wrong with Calvinism?

[FreeInChrist]

Really? According to 1 Corinthians 2 only the Spirit understands the things of God. So how did you come to understand them? Read the whole chapter

Elementary .

Do you understand John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” ? I AM SURE YOU MUST.


1 Corinthians 2:10-12
10 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
11 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,

Are you aware that YOU were made as a tripartite individual.... with spirit, soul and body?

In 1 Thes 5:23 we are told.....Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

It is your spirit that communicates with God.... through the Holy Spirit.

As I posted already in John 4:24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

We communicate with God through our spirits. Our spirits communicate with the Holy Spirit.

When we were born each was given a spirit. Eccl 12:7 says then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Our bodies return to the earth, and the life-giving breath returns to God.

Many error in saying the spirit and soul are the same... that is not true because Our souls can be destroyed as is said in
Matt 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Or as we see in Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Because the Holy Spirit is the only way we can know God, it is through our spirits communications with him that enables us to receive whatever the Holy Spirit is communicating to us.

This is why I had a spiritual rebirth. All from my own faith and after I believed and nothing that was predestined for me by the heavenly Father.

Do I expect you to understand what I just said? NO. But I have lived it and experienced it.

I will leave you to ponder why I post this from Paul, when you likely will not uunderstand the meaning to me.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. (1 Corinthians 2:12 KJV). .

 

[TomL]

So what. Why would He tell him he had to be born again if He could not be at that time????? Keeping in mind He is speaking in the present tense still under the Old Covenant.

Who stateed he could not be born again around that time

Did you just ignore the fact John the Baptist was teaching the kingdom of God was at hand as did Christ?

 

[Presby02]

Who stateed he could not be born again around that time

Did you just ignore the fact John the Baptist was teaching the kingdom of God was at hand as did Christ?

Oh, so under the Old covenant you could be born again?

 

[Presby02]

Elementary .

Do you understand John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” ? I AM SURE YOU MUST.


1 Corinthians 2:10-12
10 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
11 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,

Are you aware that YOU were made as a tripartite individual.... with spirit, soul and body?

In 1 Thes 5:23 we are told.....Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

It is your spirit that communicates with God.... through the Holy Spirit.

As I posted already in John 4:24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

We communicate with God through our spirits. Our spirits communicate with the Holy Spirit.

When we were born each was given a spirit. Eccl 12:7 says then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Our bodies return to the earth, and the life-giving breath returns to God.

Many error in saying the spirit and soul are the same... that is not true because Our souls can be destroyed as is said in
Matt 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Or as we see in Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Because the Holy Spirit is the only way we can know God, it is through our spirits communications with him that enables us to receive whatever the Holy Spirit is communicating to us.

This is why I had a spiritual rebirth. All from my own faith and after I believed and nothing that was predestined for me by the heavenly Father.

Do I expect you to understand what I just said? NO. But I have lived it and experienced it.

I will leave you to ponder why I post this from Paul, when you likely will not uunderstand the meaning to me.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. (1 Corinthians 2:12 KJV). .

Exactly. Excellent verse. You know them by the Spirit just as I said. Its okay to say I agree with you.

 

[TomL]

Oh, so under the Old covenant you could be born again?

Did you read?

John the baptist noted the kingdom was at hand

The kingdom did not cover the entire Old Testament era

Jesus noted the kingdom was at hand

He taught one must be born of the Spirit to experience the kingdom

Men were not born of the Spirit until Christ was glorified

So anyone open to the truth of the issue can see All Old testament saints had not entered into the kingdom Christ was speaking of.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Exactly. Excellent verse. You know them by the Spirit just as I said. Its okay to say I agree with you.

As suspected....

I said..." I will leave you to ponder why I post this from Paul, when you likely will not understand the meaning to me.

And you do not.

 

[TomL]

Exactly. Excellent verse. You know them by the Spirit just as I said. Its okay to say I agree with you.

Would you also call these excellent


Faith is granted by the word of God



Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.



John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.



2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.



1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.



Romans 10:6–14 (NASB 95) — 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

 

[e v e]

nothing God makes is depraved... that's not eden
nature

depravity - comes from elsewhere.. not God.

a soul must legally choose God otherwise atoning, humility, love would not be real.


election...
So silly. Souls became to be in eden and those souls will be restored and also souls who became to be after the fall... and a soul s free choice to go Home being a factor.

christ did not come here for demons .. He came here for His eden souls.

tulip is esau nonsense lol

He never said it.

 

[e v e]

Romans 5 is only about the elect. The non elect are not in view.

the problem is evangelicals are trying so hard by their egos to unelect themselves for anything...

sigh.

 

[brightfame52]

the problem is evangelicals are trying so hard by their egos to unelect themselves for anything...

sigh.

What are you talking about ?

 

[e v e]

in blue are just some Calvin and modern christianity mistakes....


If I recall correctly, John Calvin saw it as an article of faith required for salvation that Mary is Mother of God and still a virgin…

Really an animal body's virginity is a thing? Weird. mary is not His Mother, but God's Spirit is. And no, I am not a catholic.

Calvin's views imply the soul is depraved..which since God made it is not possible. And his views of mary reflect the elevation he does of the fleshbody of mary. The flesh, however, which many call His temple but which is NOT, IS Depraved, as it resulted in a mutilation because of the fall... Flesh cannot return to Eden. Cannot even enter. The soul however, being made by God is not depraved.

About other sons of mary nonsense, Mary would have engaged in animal procreation, esp. given the important job to do God gave her regarding Christ's birth into this fallen matrix. That said, her body, same as with us now, was not the Original Body Made by God in Eden for His Souls in the other reality. If she did have animal sex, ever, I am sure it will be forgiven.

Please... consider that Calvin's views of firstborn are silly, viewing it as its sole purpose to show he was born of a virgin. Who cares? that is so evil a concept it is beyond belief since the body Calvin means there is the fallen situation one. Christ is first born OF Eden, not on this earth, as God's perfect example and leader of us, as our deity in our Eden land, not here after the fall in this poor situation man is in. It is not needed to always reduce bible interpretation to 'this earth' rather to God's yet so many interlocutors do it...

Wesley wrote that "He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person". There was no need to Join Christ to the 'human nature' on this earth as if that fallen nature was His Final state after resurrection and before birth into this fallen reality. His 'Body' was and is the original one made by God in Eden in the other reality, not the one we are imprisoned here in which is an animal body. True, this one contains eden aspects, because we, souls belonging to God are in it... and God had mercy on our situation... but that is still a fallen situation and one which will end, perish once Christ gets His ones out of this foreign land at what many call Rapture, and which Paul refers to as our Change to our Original being.

About Mary... Nothing of God would be conceived by Animal sex. Christ DID enter into this fallen animal body we all have here, which was a huge step down from His Deity to do. But He wanted us to understand many things by doing that... one being our own resurrection. into our Original glorious body which we had in Eden, since all His souls were with Him before this fallen realm began and He knows us all and will restore us. Mary was a soul, here in a body not made by God, just as we are here in the same situation. God gave her a job to do and she did it. She is not our Mother, the Holy Spirit.

Finally, much confusion arises about what He said His words but a problem is corruptions made by Esau and academics and pharisees in interpretation and translation, since, ever since, the septuagint, in kjv, by popes, by theologians...thus, many concepts which are not His are still followed and believed and some are worse than some of the above. Also, the main connection to God is not pastors and religious systems, but to Him and what He says to each soul. Not the passed down words of Esaus and academics and self appointed leaders or thinkers. Which is a Work for sure. grin .. and which causes much division and debate, something Christ Himself never did ('debate' his followers!)

Also, no man is capable of believing in Christ must be doctored and misinterpreted and out of context... as well. The real line would be that none of us can get out of here without Christ's help. Finally, being elect is NOT understood. It doesn't mean greater jacob will not go Home. It doesn't mean the elect are the only ones to be saved.